Originally Posted by HardBall
I hate to quote myself, but did you read the qualifications on my statement and the link to the Inq?
I was actually referring to the link to NBR which then linked to the Inq regarding the Merom delay. Not your original link.
Originally Posted by adinu
Chuck u are one misinformed person. Yonah is nothin special, besides it being dual core and a slightly faster fsb. Speakin of the fsb, its still a big bottleneck for the PM architecture. When the new turions are comin out, they will spank the yonah not only in performance but in price. Now merom is a different story, and it will prolly be equal if not surpass the turion.
You gotta realize that the PM and Turion are pretty even now. Yonah didnt get much improvement besides the FSB. The x2 turion will get lots of improvements that it will help it alot. This being ddr2 memory, improved mem controller and a better chipset.
How can u still say that a greatly improved turion will not be on par with a yonah (who is simply a PM with a faster FSB, nothin else)?
I have never said that Yonah is anything special. And I never said that a Turion X2 will not be on par with Yonah. Clock for clock, it probably will be on par. However, if you've read any of my posts in this thread at all, you'll see I've said that Turion X2s if launched at the speeds the Inq is saying
, I don't think will beat the fastest Yonah chips available. I have not said the Turion is inferior. I have not said they'll be slower clock for clock.
As for chipsets, they no longer have a big affect on performance since the memory controller is integrated already. Clearly, old chipsets will work with the new AM2 platform and any new chipsets should not bring any big performance improvements.
So before you start calling me misinformed, get your facts in line. I honestly (I say this with 100% sincerity) have no bias towards either side. I've been impressed with Yonah because it has managed to get the Dothan's single core performance along with excellent dual core performance in the same power consumption envelope. Is that not something to be impressed with? And since Turion X2s are not yet available, I'm merely taking the A64 X2's performance as a basis. What are you using? Random speculation?
EDIT: Hmmm... just remembered that Turion X2s are going to have dual channel memory controllers (I presume that's what you meant by improved memory controllers on top of DDR2). That could very well make up the speed difference, like from S754 to S939. Dual channel memory made up for 200MHz in speed. As for clock for clock, I'm going to say that Turion X2s will outperform Yonah by a bit clock for clock. (I'd say they'd be almost exactly the same based on the single core comparisons if not for the improvements from DDR2, dual channel RAM) So, I'll moderate my comments a little. I still don't see the Turion trashing Yonah, but I'll give you that it'll definitely be competitive with a 2.0GHz launch speed. Nothing like your saying "they will spank the yonah not only in performance "
As for all the people who are calling me out on the frequency issue (I counted 3 pointless comments) you'll realize that, if you've done any reading, Dothans and Turions are an even match clock for clock, meaning frequency in this case is very important. Sure not all architectures perform the same clock for clock, but in this instance, it's pretty damn close. So your allusions to the P4 and P-Ds are totally irrelevant for this situation.