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M60 or HP nc8000???

post #1 of 14
1/20/04 at 1:47pm
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I need to replace my old aging desktop with a mobile solution. I have been looking at the IBM T41p, Dell M60 and and HP nc8000. So far, the Dell and the HP provide me with the connectivity and security that I need. Thinkpad does not have Firewire built in, etc. So I have narrowed it down to HP or Dell, I could go either way. Looking for some insight...
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post #2 of 14
1/20/04 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by vertox
I need to replace my old aging desktop with a mobile solution. I have been looking at the IBM T41p, Dell M60 and and HP nc8000. So far, the Dell and the HP provide me with the connectivity and security that I need. Thinkpad does not have Firewire built in, etc. So I have narrowed it down to HP or Dell, I could go either way. Looking for some insight...
I've got a Dell 8600, the same as the M60, on the way. I definitely recommend the 8600/M60 over any HP. I would've gotten the M60 if it had the option of the ATI 9600 128 MB card instead of the Nvidia.
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post #3 of 14
1/20/04 at 8:38pm
i would also reccomend the M60 you ahvent mentioned pricepoint as your limitation if thats the case consider the M60 or the Ibm R50p
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post #4 of 14
1/21/04 at 4:30pm
I wouldnt reccomend any HP, everyone ive talked to says they are junk, poor build quality and low grade components=constant problems.
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post #5 of 14
1/21/04 at 10:43pm
I agree
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post #6 of 14
1/22/04 at 12:44pm
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IBM T41 or Dell M60

Well, if natedog81 and others are correct about HP products, then I am going to swing back to either the Dell M60 or the IBM ThinkPad T41.
I am still not sure what laptop to choose.
The construction, battery life and size of the T41 is superior but the M60 has the latest video, widescreen, etc.
I could go with either laptop. If I go with the IBM it will take me a couple of weeks to save the difference and I don't mind waiting. I just want to make the best choice.
Any recommendations?
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post #7 of 14
1/22/04 at 1:08pm
I have the M60 a beautiful machine, and i would recommend if to everyone (infact i do) but do you have some specific concerns or questions?
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post #8 of 14
1/22/04 at 3:08pm
My preference lies in dell but there both great machines.. I will warn you IBM gives you a tougher time with hardware defects but are vastly better handling customer care and technical support issues.
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post #9 of 14
1/22/04 at 4:58pm
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I do have some concerns...
Size It is my understanding that the M60 and the 8600 share the same chassis. I have looked at the 8600 at a kiosk in our local mall and the laptop is rather large. I plan to tote this thing quite a bit. Work, home, travel.
Heat I have read several posts that describe issues with heat dissipation. If the laptop is uncomfortable, how can you use it?
Build quality IBM is noted for the laptops that they build. However, Dell has had some issues. Plastics, performance, etc.
I've read other issues as well but these stand out the most.

How does the nvidia video handle photo editing, games, etc.? I have heard good and bad.
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post #10 of 14
1/22/04 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by vertox
I do have some concerns...
Size It is my understanding that the M60 and the 8600 share the same chassis. I have looked at the 8600 at a kiosk in our local mall and the laptop is rather large. I plan to tote this thing quite a bit. Work, home, travel.
Heat I have read several posts that describe issues with heat dissipation. If the laptop is uncomfortable, how can you use it?
Build quality IBM is noted for the laptops that they build. However, Dell has had some issues. Plastics, performance, etc.
I've read other issues as well but these stand out the most.

How does the nvidia video handle photo editing, games, etc.? I have heard good and bad.
You will be dissapointed sizewise. the 8600 and m60 are nearly identical in size the only difference is frame material which the m60 wins for its stronger and lighte rmaterial used but at a cost premium.

Heat is never really an issue unless you used maxed out components Ie, 1.7gh cpu, 7200 rpm hardrive and 128mb video card especially the radeon 9600. but none of it is to th epoint where its uncomfortable especially in comparrison to heat wave monsters like Sager, Alienware and Hypersonic. PentiumM's generally make the term "laptop" usable again.

Build quality is where IBM shines which i cant say as much for there design team but i wouldnt reccomend against dell. Despite what you believe the 8600/m60 are extremely sturdy machines that can even take short falls off table ledges.

Im a digital photographer and between using the 4200 go, 5650 go, M9600 hands down you will see best visual quality and vividness with the nvidia cards. colors arnt as washed out and if they are nview has amazing color correction compared to ATI's. Quadro definetly would meet or beat your expectations here.
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post #11 of 14
1/23/04 at 12:30am
The M60 is a good sized laptop, but seems very sturdy. I have dropped mine many times, from heights of 5 feet, and one time i had it resting on the back of a suitcase and the suitcase fell and crushed the computer. The case is beat up but the computer still works. It can defintly take a beating. I love the quadro, for some reason i am an Nvidia fan, i feel the performace has a greater clarity. I have had no problem with heat dissaption. After a while on ur lap playing games itll get toasty but nothing abnormal, and my favorite thing about it is how quiet it is.
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post #12 of 14
1/23/04 at 6:42pm
With my M60, I definately agree that size is a problem. I bought a JVC 7310 ultra-light (2 pound) notebook for daily computer use. Most of the work I do on the M60 does not require it to be moved around. Make sure you wait and get as many coupons to bring the price down since the M60 can be expensive when fully loaded. I also like the idea that the M60 WILL be upgradeable to the new centrinos coming out from intel in a few months. For the time being, I am looking at upgrading to the 7200 rpm 80 gig drives when they come out and adding more ram.
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post #13 of 14
1/23/04 at 8:43pm
Take it for what it is worth. The Dells can take alot of abuse. My best friend is one of the two mechanical engineers in charge of sutaining the top line of notebooks (8600, D800, M60) at dell. He gave me a demo one day, dropped, threw, disassembled, beat, etc. this laptop. Still fine. Closed the lid and just pounded the top with his fist, still fine. If I wasn't there to see it myself, I would have never believed it. I think that it was mentioned earlier, but all of dells 15.4 are contructed rather similar. All have the same titanium (I believe) cover for the LCD, chasis are a bit different in shape and color, and same magnesium internal frame.
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post #14 of 14
1/24/04 at 11:42pm
Although i wouldnt advise repeated intentional abuse it can withstand much abuse.
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