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post #301 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:19pm
I just wish we could get a straight answer as to if this is really going to happen
post #302 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:20pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by awacs9.4
I just wish we could get a straight answer as to if the aquisition occured or not.
yeah i was really excited about reading on alienwares upgrade policy...

really hoping this deal is a rumor and voodoo's attempt to get publicity
post #303 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth317
You just don't understand? How can you not?

Dell has a contract with Intel to purchase mass quantities of processors to put into all of their systems sold. Intel gives them a ridiculous discount for the sheer number purchased day in and day out. This is why Dell can afford to offer their machines so cheaply. If AMD offered the same discount, Dell would probably be an AMD pusher. Unfortunately, AMD doesn't have the production capabilities to meet Dell's demand. Thus...no AMDs in Dells. Pretty simple.

I have no idea how they'll handle the contract with Intel if they buy AW. They'd have to keep AW a separate entity to keep from breaching the contract, but it would still cause tension between Dell and Intel when it came time to renegotiate their contract next year (which is when you always see rumors of Dell going to AMD as a scare tactic to push Intel into better deals). The long and short of it is that Dell needs Intel's prices and production capabilities and Intel needs Dell's purchasing power.

On a totally different topic... has anyone ever put up a poll of the average age/IQ of AW users? I haven't done much reading in the AW forums, but if this thread is an accurate representation of the majority, all I can say is.... yikes. I see one intelligent post with a point to it for every five posts from kids whose parents would rather spend money on an expensive laptop so they don't have to spend time with them or internet ree rees who never experience life outside BF2 and World of Warcraft.

To pre-empt the guaranteed stereotypical response... yes, I own a Dell and no, I've never had a problem with it. Wouldn't be caught dead at the office with an AlienWare the same way I wouldn't be caught dead pulling up to the office in an Evo.

<scratches head>

OH!

Is he calling us stupid?

translation please
post #304 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:26pm
Until I see a Statement from the president of Alienware , I won't believe a word of it . Dell buying AW , I honestly don't think it'll ever Happen .
post #305 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:27pm
isnt there some alienware employees on here? c'mon give us the hook up!!
not like you would loose your job or anything! hehehe j/k
post #306 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvmoore1
isnt there some alienware employees on here? c'mon give us the hook up!!
not like you would loose your job or anything! hehehe j/k

Well chances are people from AW will lose their job depending on what resources dell have and what type of acquisition this would be.
post #307 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by alien5152
Well chances are people from AW will lose their job depending on what resources dell have and what type of acquisition this would be.
You're right, AW people will lose their jobs.
It just happened to us 2 days before X-Mas. Our company (which was successful) was bought out by a larger organization and about 700 out of 1,000 total employees lost their jobs. The merge with the new organization is difficult.

If the rumors are in fact true, AW people will lose their jobs. Also, the core demographic (gamers) will not want to continue their purchases with an annex of a large corporation. The 'exclusivity' of high-end computer manufacturers is the major lure for gamers, and they will look elsewhere for their next purchase...
post #308 of 521
3/15/06 at 12:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mb67
You're right, AW people will lose their jobs.
It just happened to us 2 days before X-Mas. Our company (which was successful) was bought out by a larger organization and about 700 out of 1,000 total employees lost their jobs. The merge with the new organization is difficult.

If the rumors are in fact true, AW people will lose their jobs. Also, the core demographic (gamers) will not want to continue their purchases with an annex of a large corporation. The 'exclusivity' of high-end computer manufacturers is the major lure for gamers, and they will look elsewhere for their next purchase...
post #309 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaced
It will be sad if indeed this is true. I am on the cusp of purchasing a laptop for business travel, and I am heavily leaning towards the Sentia m3400. However, I am not sure what my final purchase will be if this rumor is true...
post #310 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:26pm
Thread Starter 
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?new...xobmV3cywsLDE=
post #311 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by durden500
Interesting...
post #312 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:35pm
THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me lets out a sigh of relief
post #313 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:38pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nassaumike
No one can Hammer...there is no such thing....but you can get free AOL or whatever the ISP of the month is...spyware removal software is sold seperately....I just cannot believe that anyone would actually believe AW would cheapen itself so much to align with a company like Dell...if you know anything about AW, their idea of keeping support in the USA, the idea of not loading a computer with useless software and "modified" versions of the real stuff like the operating system, and lastly...who owns and built AW and what they were trying to accomplish when they did so...Dell is desperate to break into the boutique gaming mold, but that just cannot happen given their history and the way they approach support in their home division
This is from over a week ago, but I just started reading this thread today.

If your major complaint about Dell is the bloatware, learn how to reinstall Windows. Problem solved.

Lets compare, shall we?

Customer Service:

Dell and AW are both horrific. After dealing with broken English, at least Dell has you up and running in the time it takes for a replacement part to reach you in one or two days. The same is usually not true from AW.

Build Quality:

Both have issues. Using these forums as a measuring stick is NOT a good indicator as many people find these forums for help in the first place. This also doesn't address the problem that, because so many more Dells are sold than AW, every complaint you see on the forums is a much smaller percentage of the whole. Every AW complaint you see is part of a smaller overall number and would represent more complaints than a single Dell complaint. Pretty obvious that forum complaints are not a valid indicator.

The biggest build quality complaint I've seen in this thread is the motherboard. The BIOS on my M170 is locked, but unlocked hacked BIOS versions are all over these forums. There's absolutely no reason for me to need one anyway, with the same BIOS supporting the one major upgrade that would fit in my notebook... the 7800GTX. The bottom line is that this motherboard performs just as well as any other more expensive motherboard option out there. It may not be the one you'd pick, but since there's no effective difference, who cares?


Price:

Compare two nearly identical machines.

When I configure an m7700 to the same specs as my M170 (substituting my P-M 2.0 with an AMD 3200+), my M170 cost roughly $2050 shipped, while the m7700 is $2731 + shipping. $700 more for the same performance. Seems like a no brainer to me. This is not a case of "You get what you pay for." I paid less for the same. Furthermore, you can now pick up an M170 with the 7800GTX upgrade free. The same m7700 with a 7800GTX is $3071. Thats $1000 more for the same performance.

Options:

This is where AW is superior. They're the only big name company with any semblance of customer service (Sager's support is non-existent) that offers AMD processors in their gaming machines, especially the X2 option. This is critical to their success.

While I would prefer a notebook with an X2 4800+ over a Pentium M, the price increase for relatively low performance increase is not justified... not when the Pentium M does everything I want and more. I can already complete all of my graphics work, including 3D work, with my notebook and I run all of my games on high at 1920x1200.

Spending nearly twice as much for an AW with an X2 4800+, along with the added weight and heat, isn't a very smart move, regardless of budget. I'd rather spend that extra 2 grand somewhere that it would be useful like hookers and booze.

Appearance:

If you're a kid at home or a college student, I can see the appeal of the AW styling. However, I'd get laughed out of a conference room with one. I'd be embarassed to sit down with a client at a coffee shop with one. Dell's styling is a lot more subdued and thats a key reason a lot of "professionals" go with it.

Now, feel free to educate me on any reasons you have left to knock Dell.
post #314 of 521
3/15/06 at 1:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth317
This is from over a week ago, but I just started reading this thread today.

If your major complaint about Dell is the bloatware, learn how to reinstall Windows. Problem solved.

Lets compare, shall we?

Customer Service:

Dell and AW are both horrific. After dealing with broken English, at least Dell has you up and running in the time it takes for a replacement part to reach you in one or two days. The same is usually not true from AW.

Build Quality:

Both have issues. Using these forums as a measuring stick is NOT a good indicator as many people find these forums for help in the first place. This also doesn't address the problem that, because so many more Dells are sold than AW, every complaint you see on the forums is a much smaller percentage of the whole. Every AW complaint you see is part of a smaller overall number and would represent more complaints than a single Dell complaint. Pretty obvious that forum complaints are not a valid indicator.

The biggest build quality complaint I've seen in this thread is the motherboard. The BIOS on my M170 is locked, but unlocked hacked BIOS versions are all over these forums. There's absolutely no reason for me to need one anyway, with the same BIOS supporting the one major upgrade that would fit in my notebook... the 7800GTX. The bottom line is that this motherboard performs just as well as any other more expensive motherboard option out there. It may not be the one you'd pick, but since there's no effective difference, who cares?


Price:

Compare two nearly identical machines.

When I configure an m7700 to the same specs as my M170 (substituting my P-M 2.0 with an AMD 3200+), my M170 cost roughly $2050 shipped, while the m7700 is $2731 + shipping. $700 more for the same performance. Seems like a no brainer to me. This is not a case of "You get what you pay for." I paid less for the same.

Options:

This is where AW is superior. They're the only big name company with any semblance of customer service (Sager's support is non-existent) that offers AMD processors in their gaming machines, especially the X2 option. This is critical to their success.

While I would prefer a notebook with an X2 4800+ over a Pentium M, the price increase for relatively low performance increase is not justified... not when the Pentium M does everything I want and more. I can already complete all of my graphics work, including 3D work, with my notebook and I run all of my games on high at 1920x1200.

Spending nearly twice as much for an AW with an X2 4800+, along with the added weight and heat, isn't a very smart move, regardless of budget. I'd rather spend that extra 2 grand somewhere that it would be useful like hookers and booze.

Appearance:

If you're a kid at home or a college student, I can see the appeal of the AW styling. However, I'd get laughed out of a conference room with one. I'd be embarassed to sit down with a client at a coffee shop with one. Dell's styling is a lot more subdued and thats a key reason a lot of "professionals" go with it.
Now, feel free to educate me on any reasons you have left to knock Dell.
Well, being in the 'professional world' myself, I have a colleague who uses his Sentia to make presentations to some influential clients. Upon completing his presentation, the clients inquire about his system. After a brief explanation of who AW is, the clients were impressed that he would 'break tradition' and that helped seal the deal.
Please don't try to pigeon-hole the 'professionals', as each situation is different...
post #315 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth317
This is from over a week ago, but I just started reading this thread today.

If your major complaint about Dell is the bloatware, learn how to reinstall Windows. Problem solved.

Lets compare, shall we?

Customer Service:

Dell and AW are both horrific. After dealing with broken English, at least Dell has you up and running in the time it takes for a replacement part to reach you in one or two days. The same is usually not true from AW.

Build Quality:

Both have issues. Using these forums as a measuring stick is NOT a good indicator as many people find these forums for help in the first place. This also doesn't address the problem that, because so many more Dells are sold than AW, every complaint you see on the forums is a much smaller percentage of the whole. Every AW complaint you see is part of a smaller overall number and would represent more complaints than a single Dell complaint. Pretty obvious that forum complaints are not a valid indicator.

The biggest build quality complaint I've seen in this thread is the motherboard. The BIOS on my M170 is locked, but unlocked hacked BIOS versions are all over these forums. There's absolutely no reason for me to need one anyway, with the same BIOS supporting the one major upgrade that would fit in my notebook... the 7800GTX. The bottom line is that this motherboard performs just as well as any other more expensive motherboard option out there. It may not be the one you'd pick, but since there's no effective difference, who cares?


Price:

Compare two nearly identical machines.

When I configure an m7700 to the same specs as my M170 (substituting my P-M 2.0 with an AMD 3200+), my M170 cost roughly $2050 shipped, while the m7700 is $2731 + shipping. $700 more for the same performance. Seems like a no brainer to me. This is not a case of "You get what you pay for." I paid less for the same. Furthermore, you can now pick up an M170 with the 7800GTX upgrade free. The same m7700 with a 7800GTX is $3071. Thats $1000 more for the same performance.

Options:

This is where AW is superior. They're the only big name company with any semblance of customer service (Sager's support is non-existent) that offers AMD processors in their gaming machines, especially the X2 option. This is critical to their success.

While I would prefer a notebook with an X2 4800+ over a Pentium M, the price increase for relatively low performance increase is not justified... not when the Pentium M does everything I want and more. I can already complete all of my graphics work, including 3D work, with my notebook and I run all of my games on high at 1920x1200.

Spending nearly twice as much for an AW with an X2 4800+, along with the added weight and heat, isn't a very smart move, regardless of budget. I'd rather spend that extra 2 grand somewhere that it would be useful like hookers and booze.

Appearance:

If you're a kid at home or a college student, I can see the appeal of the AW styling. However, I'd get laughed out of a conference room with one. I'd be embarassed to sit down with a client at a coffee shop with one. Dell's styling is a lot more subdued and thats a key reason a lot of "professionals" go with it.

Now, feel free to educate me on any reasons you have left to knock Dell.

Go back to your Dell hole, you piss ant troll....I will give you a few reasons...Dell stock is heading down rapidly, AW is reporting over a quarter billion in profits and for a privately held company, that is true success so they must be doing something right, and Dell stockholders must be very nervous as their money shrinks in value daily....say what ever you want, you own a Dell and I an AW...so what?...you stay out of our forum, and we never come into yours...simple isn't it?....We have been over and over this Dell vs AW crap and this rumor changes nothing as far as I am concerned...stay the hell out of here and I will never set foot in the Dell area, not that I ever have as there is nothing there of interest anyway....why is it whenever there is a rumor about anything that has to do with AW, new rig or whatever, the Dell trolls come out like roaches at night?
post #316 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:08pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth317
This is from over a week ago, but I just started reading this thread today.

If your major complaint about Dell is the bloatware, learn how to reinstall Windows. Problem solved.

Lets compare, shall we?

Customer Service:

Dell and AW are both horrific. After dealing with broken English, at least Dell has you up and running in the time it takes for a replacement part to reach you in one or two days. The same is usually not true from AW.

Build Quality:

Both have issues. Using these forums as a measuring stick is NOT a good indicator as many people find these forums for help in the first place. This also doesn't address the problem that, because so many more Dells are sold than AW, every complaint you see on the forums is a much smaller percentage of the whole. Every AW complaint you see is part of a smaller overall number and would represent more complaints than a single Dell complaint. Pretty obvious that forum complaints are not a valid indicator.

The biggest build quality complaint I've seen in this thread is the motherboard. The BIOS on my M170 is locked, but unlocked hacked BIOS versions are all over these forums. There's absolutely no reason for me to need one anyway, with the same BIOS supporting the one major upgrade that would fit in my notebook... the 7800GTX. The bottom line is that this motherboard performs just as well as any other more expensive motherboard option out there. It may not be the one you'd pick, but since there's no effective difference, who cares?


Price:

Compare two nearly identical machines.

When I configure an m7700 to the same specs as my M170 (substituting my P-M 2.0 with an AMD 3200+), my M170 cost roughly $2050 shipped, while the m7700 is $2731 + shipping. $700 more for the same performance. Seems like a no brainer to me. This is not a case of "You get what you pay for." I paid less for the same. Furthermore, you can now pick up an M170 with the 7800GTX upgrade free. The same m7700 with a 7800GTX is $3071. Thats $1000 more for the same performance.

Options:

This is where AW is superior. They're the only big name company with any semblance of customer service (Sager's support is non-existent) that offers AMD processors in their gaming machines, especially the X2 option. This is critical to their success.

While I would prefer a notebook with an X2 4800+ over a Pentium M, the price increase for relatively low performance increase is not justified... not when the Pentium M does everything I want and more. I can already complete all of my graphics work, including 3D work, with my notebook and I run all of my games on high at 1920x1200.

Spending nearly twice as much for an AW with an X2 4800+, along with the added weight and heat, isn't a very smart move, regardless of budget. I'd rather spend that extra 2 grand somewhere that it would be useful like hookers and booze.

Appearance:

If you're a kid at home or a college student, I can see the appeal of the AW styling. However, I'd get laughed out of a conference room with one. I'd be embarassed to sit down with a client at a coffee shop with one. Dell's styling is a lot more subdued and thats a key reason a lot of "professionals" go with it.

Now, feel free to educate me on any reasons you have left to knock Dell.
Ya, I agree with MB67, People in the "adult" world love the Alienware look. Why get a Yugo when you can have a sports car? Your argument is full of holes.
post #317 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:10pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth317
This is from over a week ago, but I just started reading this thread today.

If your major complaint about Dell is the bloatware, learn how to reinstall Windows. Problem solved.

Lets compare, shall we?

Customer Service:

Dell and AW are both horrific. After dealing with broken English, at least Dell has you up and running in the time it takes for a replacement part to reach you in one or two days. The same is usually not true from AW.

Build Quality:

Both have issues. Using these forums as a measuring stick is NOT a good indicator as many people find these forums for help in the first place. This also doesn't address the problem that, because so many more Dells are sold than AW, every complaint you see on the forums is a much smaller percentage of the whole. Every AW complaint you see is part of a smaller overall number and would represent more complaints than a single Dell complaint. Pretty obvious that forum complaints are not a valid indicator.

The biggest build quality complaint I've seen in this thread is the motherboard. The BIOS on my M170 is locked, but unlocked hacked BIOS versions are all over these forums. There's absolutely no reason for me to need one anyway, with the same BIOS supporting the one major upgrade that would fit in my notebook... the 7800GTX. The bottom line is that this motherboard performs just as well as any other more expensive motherboard option out there. It may not be the one you'd pick, but since there's no effective difference, who cares?


Price:

Compare two nearly identical machines.

When I configure an m7700 to the same specs as my M170 (substituting my P-M 2.0 with an AMD 3200+), my M170 cost roughly $2050 shipped, while the m7700 is $2731 + shipping. $700 more for the same performance. Seems like a no brainer to me. This is not a case of "You get what you pay for." I paid less for the same. Furthermore, you can now pick up an M170 with the 7800GTX upgrade free. The same m7700 with a 7800GTX is $3071. Thats $1000 more for the same performance.

Options:

This is where AW is superior. They're the only big name company with any semblance of customer service (Sager's support is non-existent) that offers AMD processors in their gaming machines, especially the X2 option. This is critical to their success.

While I would prefer a notebook with an X2 4800+ over a Pentium M, the price increase for relatively low performance increase is not justified... not when the Pentium M does everything I want and more. I can already complete all of my graphics work, including 3D work, with my notebook and I run all of my games on high at 1920x1200.

Spending nearly twice as much for an AW with an X2 4800+, along with the added weight and heat, isn't a very smart move, regardless of budget. I'd rather spend that extra 2 grand somewhere that it would be useful like hookers and booze.

Appearance:

If you're a kid at home or a college student, I can see the appeal of the AW styling. However, I'd get laughed out of a conference room with one. I'd be embarassed to sit down with a client at a coffee shop with one. Dell's styling is a lot more subdued and thats a key reason a lot of "professionals" go with it.

Now, feel free to educate me on any reasons you have left to knock Dell.
You're like a little bitch who need mommy to feed him breast milk cause he's cranky....Boo fooking hoo!
post #318 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:20pm
This is all rumor and it is starting another flame war...I wish the mods would lock this and not allow any more BS about it...until or if it does in fact happen
post #319 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:21pm
post #320 of 521
3/15/06 at 2:23pm
Naa little kids just need to just stop coming here. Yesterday the discussion was going good till durden got on here and started flaming.

In other news, anyone see the post from engadget? Makes you wonder huh?
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