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post #61 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:09pm
Actually, from what I know Macromedia was part of Adobe at first but Adobe let Macromedia go. When Macromedia hit it big with its utilities and programs Adobe saw their mistake and bought them back again.
post #62 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Choco_latte
were those companies successful and self-sufficient with business before Ford? or were those companies going downhill and needed Ford to prop them up? sure Ford didn't compete with Jaguar, but then why would Jaguar sell out to Ford unless it was going bankrupt? a successful high-end company just doesn't sell out to a cheap generic company for no reason. it doesn't work.
This is not true, every company is looking to strengthen their market share and expand and diversify their income. Why wouldn't companies buy out other companies that really almost have nothing to do with what they do? Take Del Monte (fruit company) for example, they are looking to buy out Meow Mix...why? Microsoft buys patents and small companies quite often, why? Well there is a small problem with Corporate America (and really just on a global stage), (large) Corporations can not move as fast or research as fast as small businesses (or small corporations). Transitions are much harder, and by the time the transition is made, something better is out. This claim may not be true, but you can not discount it because you think a big corporation would never buy a company that is higher end, or even unrelated...
post #63 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by moidock
Actually, from what I know Macromedia was part of Adobe at first but Adobe let Macromedia go. When Macromedia hit it big with its utilities and programs Adobe saw their mistake and bought them back again.
This is not true Macromedia was formed by the 1992 merger of Authorware, Inc. and MacroMind-Paracomp. They were NEVER apart of Adobe until Adobe's acquisition in 2005...
post #64 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:19pm
money talks. but I think that if Alienware had to merge, it would do it with on with a better reputation.
post #65 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:19pm
Beat me to it Lilfields .
But anyway, the history wasn't the point, the point was that all it takes is money. Like they say, if the price is right.....
post #66 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by lilfields
This is not true Macromedia was formed by the 1992 merger of Authorware, Inc. and MacroMind-Paracomp. They were NEVER apart of Adobe until Adobe's acquisition in 2005...
I see. Thx for the clarification, I got my facts straight now.
post #67 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by cell_fhone
That's great awsome I hope Dell buy the alienware so we all get good costomer services
LOL, you've obviously never called Dell tech support...
post #68 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:37pm
lilfields, in some cases it is true. there are two things that come into play when companies merge: money, and the need for it. in my post that you quoted, I was talking about FORD GOING BANKRUPT. but they can go vice versa, in the case of Dell and Alienware, Dell is obviously losing to competition, Alienware is there for the taking, Dell needs a high end company to improve it's reputation, and Dell also has the money. but the reason why I don't see Alienware selling out is this: Dell needs it, but Alienware doesn't. Alienware is making much more money than necessary, and Alienware has plenty of good reputation. Dell would simply weigh Alienware down in it's progress in Technology. in the case of Dell and Alienware, only Dell would benefit from the merge. Dell just needs the name to improve reputation and increase sales.
post #69 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy
Dell buying Alienware would really not be a bad thing. Dell has a lot more buying power than Alienware and this could potentially lead to lower prices. Dell is also far more organzied and efficent and this could help Alienware in building computers faster and on time. Dell would also likely make improvements to Alienware's lackluster customer service and technical assistance departments.
No, this would eliminate competition that gets us as customers better machines. Lower prices would probably be assured, but so would crap hardware and crap machines. Dell may be far more efficient, but that's because they're about business, not about machines. Competition is what drives the computer industry.

The only way Dell would help Alienware's supply issues in order to improve build time and shipping would be to eliminate configuration options, and pre-build machines. That's one of the largest differences between buying an off the shelf pre-built Dell and having Alienware custom build a computer to your specifications.

And as for the customer service, Alienware kicks Dell in the butt every day.

Have you visited Dell's support forums lately? Or have they deleted them all again?
post #70 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy
Ford bought Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover and a variety of other companies which their main line did not compete with.
And how is that working out for Ford?
post #71 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by redphyve
Who cares really?

Until I wake up and grab my Financial Times to see Dell has just bought Alienware, I'm not getting excited about a rumour started by vague website personalities and innuendo and made into prophecy by Rahul Sood.

[WARNING: THE NEXT BIT IS A J-O-K-E, for those people with no sense of humour] Really...who cares? Apart from the Dell aficionados wetting their pants to be able to see and work with their BIOS.
The Dell boys seem to think if Dell buys Alienware, they'll be able to buy an Alienware for Dell prices. Ain't gonna happen. Dell could build their XPS line like Alienware builds their machines, but they don't. Any guess why?

If Dell buys Alienware, Alienware will have to change to fit into Dell's business plan. Building fully functional computers to order does not fit their business plan...
post #72 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy
Well, for the right price, they would be crazy not to. Don't forget how big Dell is. They are in a position to offer a lot of money; much more than Alienware could ever be worth.
It's true that many companies like Alienware are built in order to sell to a corporation when the time is right for $$$$$, but it's just stupid to think Dell would buy Alienware and not change the way the business is run.
post #73 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ruxor
This attempt by Rahul is going to backfire on him. He is very outspoken. Just check out the VooDoo PC kick ass thread from a bit ago. The one with that fat dude who got ripped off buy them. Craig knows what I am talking about. The thread name escapes me.
At any rate, If Dell were actually going to do this, Which they won't, they would have done it long before the release of their new performance Rigs. Long before they introduced the XPS2.
And long before Dell released info on the tarted up quad SLI waste of money...

I think Alienware is kicking Dell's ass in the gaming sector, and Rahul at Voodoo feels left out in the Canadian winter... I think it's a further attempt for Rahul to try to get people to think Alienware and Dell are more similar than Alienware and Voodoo are.

Rahul went on a rant a while back in his own forums saying how he didn't want to be a "commodity" computer manufacturer, and he wasn't interested in developing the kind of volume that Alienware has.

Judging by the number of people that own Voodoo computers, I'd say he's very successful in not gaining volume...
post #74 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by Fpad77
Adobe bought out Macromedia for something like 3.4billion, Macromedia was doing fine by itself.

You only need money as a reason.
Alienware is privately owned, they are not a public company. They can't be "bought out" by force through stock buys.

If Alienware is sold, it will be by those that own it.
post #75 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Choco_latte
lilfields, in some cases it is true. there are two things that come into play when companies merge: money, and the need for it. in my post that you quoted, I was talking about FORD GOING BANKRUPT. but they can go vice versa, in the case of Dell and Alienware, Dell is obviously losing to competition, Alienware is there for the taking, Dell needs a high end company to improve it's reputation, and Dell also has the money. but the reason why I don't see Alienware selling out is this: Dell needs it, but Alienware doesn't. Alienware is making much more money than necessary, and Alienware has plenty of good reputation. Dell would simply weigh Alienware down in it's progress in Technology. in the case of Dell and Alienware, only Dell would benefit from the merge. Dell just needs the name to improve reputation and increase sales.
Thanks for the clarification, I thought you were speaking of Jaguar going bankrupt etc...in all actuallity Jaguar is doing horrible under the control of Ford, and is actually one of Ford's worse aquisitions. Volvo is one of it's best...I still disagree that Alienware wouldn't benefit from the merge if it was done properly...but I see your point
post #76 of 521
3/4/06 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Alienware is privately owned, they are not a public company. They can't be "bought out" by force through stock buys.

If Alienware is sold, it will be by those that own it.
Well technically they do have stocks, it's just not publicly a traded stock. Inorder for a buy out to happen, 51% of Alienware's share holders would have to sell their shares...I'm assuming that Alex and Nelson both have 50% each (likely less). I believe it is a legal requirement in incorporating
post #77 of 521
3/4/06 at 9:13pm
Alienware resells branded Clevos. If Dell bought AW, it would just be buying the brand to use on its own machines, which wouldn't make much sense. This is all just kinda goofy.
post #78 of 521
3/4/06 at 9:56pm
They sell a lot more than just clevo's on the laptop side...and dont forget their desktop biz which is without a doubt very healthy.
post #79 of 521
3/4/06 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by lilfields
Thanks for the clarification, I thought you were speaking of Jaguar going bankrupt etc...in all actuallity Jaguar is doing horrible under the control of Ford, and is actually one of Ford's worse aquisitions. Volvo is one of it's best...I still disagree that Alienware wouldn't benefit from the merge if it was done properly...but I see your point
What would lead you to believe that Dell would ever just want to finance another company?

If Dell wants to buy a company, it's to stop the competition they're giving them, or for financial reasons. If AW is making that much money, why would the powers that be at AW want to become part of Dell?
post #80 of 521
3/4/06 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by lilfields
Well technically they do have stocks, it's just not publicly a traded stock. Inorder for a buy out to happen, 51% of Alienware's share holders would have to sell their shares...I'm assuming that Alex and Nelson both have 50% each (likely less). I believe it is a legal requirement in incorporating
As I said...

"If Alienware is sold, it will be by those that own it."

Usually if there is a buy out of a company by a larger corporation, they arrange the current business owners to stay on as consultants or managers. I can't imagine anyone at AW executive voluntarily getting a paycheck from Dell, and standing by an watching Dell change everything they've built.
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