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post #21 of 101
3/11/06 at 12:26am
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Well, I lose my MSDN membership, we could both go to jail. Also it would be unethical.
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post #22 of 101
3/11/06 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by -st-
what are the bad things if u send it to me illegaly?
Ever wonder if thoughts ever actually go through this guys head?

No offense, just, well, wow, weren't you just trying to get OSX working on your sentia? An' if you really want an illegal copy, well, here's a lovely hint for all your ah...shady activities, and also your questions <<An' guess what, you can even put "site:notebookforums.com" an' it'll only search this site.">> Try it, you may find it enlightening. ;D
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post #23 of 101
3/11/06 at 2:00am
One of these days, I should set up a sting operation.

I wonder if that's legal...
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post #24 of 101
3/11/06 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by The BugEater
Ever wonder if thoughts ever actually go through this guys head?

No offense, just, well, wow, weren't you just trying to get OSX working on your sentia? An' if you really want an illegal copy, well, here's a lovely hint for all your ah...shady activities, and also your questions <<An' guess what, you can even put "site:notebookforums.com" an' it'll only search this site.">> Try it, you may find it enlightening. ;D
At least my project is legit. As a tester I am evaluating how Vista performs on lappys with lower end graphics (read integrated). And as indicated above, the results are surprising.
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post #25 of 101
3/11/06 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Joelist
At least my project is legit. As a tester I am evaluating how Vista performs on lappys with lower end graphics (read integrated). And as indicated above, the results are surprising.
Indeed. An' you've pretty much made up my mind to find me a copy Just As Soon As They're On The Market but really, trying to find an illegal copy like that? Wow. Now I can understand going after stuff you just can't find anymore<<Space Quest, what have you>> but that? Wow.
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post #26 of 101
3/12/06 at 2:04pm
Yeah, it's like asking to be slapped with a lawsuit.
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post #27 of 101
3/12/06 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by GrAfiX
Even Paul Thurrott who has one of the largest Windows based review site agree's. The Calender, sidebar, photogallery are almost exact copies of Mac OS and the transparent glass type windows strait out of Mac OS.

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http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308.asp

"A final general observation: I have certain misgivings about Vista resembling Mac OS X. With its translucent windows, such comparisons are going to be hard to avoid. But Vista's similarity with OS X goes well beyond window dressing. Certain applications, such as Calendar, Sidebar, and Photo Gallery, appear to be directly, ahem, influenced by similar applications in OS X. Microsoft has a response to that claim, which I'll reveal in part 2 of this review, but suffice to say they're going to get eaten alive for these similarities."


As far as mystery meat navigation. It's a navigation style of having buttons with no labels of what you are clicking on. Like IE7 in vista no menus no labels. http://www.winsupersite.com/images/s...a_5308_304.jpg

Just my observation, I'm not a big fan of Vista and I've got an MSDN subscription and normally am on top of anything that is new however Vista doesn't excite me at all.
the glass wondow feature? doesn't that just make them transparent if so you could do that in windows for years so no biggie also.... mac os sucks i hate its compoatability offers and i hear nothing but problems comming from downstairs reguarding bith tiger and panther so...plus fixing a mac is much more difficult than a pc... i know i may be biased but i was a mac lover for a while... love the ipod.... hate mac os... and yes there has been a lot of certificate verification and copyright verification locks in vista which is the obly reason i am stalling the install... olus all the drivers and crap have to be reloaded properly and i am not gonna waste time to do that on a beta operating system let alone 2 months after it comes out....software always has issues at least we have 1 medium and 2 crappy interaces to work with at least in my opinion with windows and mac os and linux taking up the rest.....sometimes i am like damn that looks sexy when i look at the gual g5 running downstairs on a 30in and if i have to work on it forget about it... ihave seen vista and yes maybe a little os look in some small area's but the basic functionality and controls are totally different than mac os!!!! so now i remin upset about validating software movies, music, games, freeware all have to go through another validating process and if you turn your comp of and put in in the unauthorized mode you lose a lot of the features!!!!!! gppdluck with vista i like hearing the positive about it though i kow there will be issues as all softwaren the planet is not perfect by far....look at steam still cannot get the friends list working correctly but in america we want everything now now now hence deff problems!!!!! just had to rant and let people know that i hate macs and wish games and more common apps could work on them!!!! i mean if i am loading webpages and 10% of what is out there is not visible due to incaompatability i ask myself and why would somoeone spend that kind of bank on one now when i could build a pc now with superior graphics capabilities..... macs were the knings of it all in my business(flexible packaging poly/foil laminents) all the major companies do all there graphics work on macs and i mean just about evry single company in my business... now since quad sli and other pc enhancements why would you even consider a mac!!!!!! seriously can someone answer me this cause if i can now transport files fro,m adobe whether it be illustrator or photoshop it goes smoothly onto mac or so i am told since the applications are more versital than in the past.....why aren't they making graphic enhancements on the laptop end for all the intense cs2 users... what is apple doing just sitting on there fricken gold mine of ipods and saying screw the graphic buisness or what... after all these years they couldn't make them more compatible..... i will say in some areas they are excelling well maybe not just in the ipod department... sorry apple you lost a business client here that's fo sho!!!! peace and to remind you all this is just an opinion well there are some facts too!!!!
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post #28 of 101
3/12/06 at 4:51pm
Wow man, grammer is a good thing, but from what I've puzzled through, you basically think so:

1. The Areoglass is nothing but a skin.
2. Macs stink because...they've got problems in the OS, are incompatible with many PC apps?
3. You've not yet installed Vista because you'd have to update your drivers.
4. Windows is a Medium OS, an' the Mac an' Linux families are horrible?
5. You're mad at Vista because you...have to validate media an' can't use unauthorized mode?
6. There will be problems with Vista just as there are always problems with software.
7. You're mad because Macs are incompatible with stuff? But they were great until SLI rigs came out, an' you wish they'd upgrade their hardware more?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I had some problems figuring out what in the seven circles you were talking about the first time. Okay then, crack time:
1. I don't know anything about the areoglass, so I'll say nothing.
2. Of course Macs have problems, however, with the new intel chips they're using, it's said you can run many apps made for windows.
3. No real comment here, I fear.
4. Have you used Linux at all? Also, on what basis are you making your judgements?
5. Again, almost no knoweldge of Vista.
6.Yes, there will be. Especially because it was produced by the offices of the AntiChrist. But still, not much to be done about it.
7. Uh-huh. Well, from what I can see, they're working on it, but I don't think their clientile has ever been gamers or 3d designers.
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post #29 of 101
3/12/06 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by The BugEater
Wow man, grammer is a good thing, but from what I've puzzled through, you basically think so:

1. The Areoglass is nothing but a skin.
2. Macs stink because...they've got problems in the OS, are incompatible with many PC apps?
3. You've not yet installed Vista because you'd have to update your drivers.
4. Windows is a Medium OS, an' the Mac an' Linux families are horrible?
5. You're mad at Vista because you...have to validate media an' can't use unauthorized mode?
6. There will be problems with Vista just as there are always problems with software.
7. You're mad because Macs are incompatible with stuff? But they were great until SLI rigs came out, an' you wish they'd upgrade their hardware more?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I had some problems figuring out what in the seven circles you were talking about the first time. Okay then, crack time:
1. I don't know anything about the areoglass, so I'll say nothing.
2. Of course Macs have problems, however, with the new intel chips they're using, it's said you can run many apps made for windows.
3. No real comment here, I fear.
4. Have you used Linux at all? Also, on what basis are you making your judgements?
5. Again, almost no knoweldge of Vista.
6.Yes, there will be. Especially because it was produced by the offices of the AntiChrist. But still, not much to be done about it.
7. Uh-huh. Well, from what I can see, they're working on it, but I don't think their clientile has ever been gamers or 3d designers.
I think you did the best translation you could, BugEater.

Let me take a whack at some of the points:

1) Aeroglass is more than a "skin". If you skinned XP the same way it would lose performance because XP will be trying to do everything through the CPU. Vista can run an effect heavy interface like Aero at high performance because it offloads the heavier graphical chores to the GPU/Graphics subsystem. Also, the Vista file organization and search system, while it will work unter the optional XP like interface, is really optimized for Aero.

2) Macs have traditionally had two big problems; lack of speed (due in significant part to the Power PC) and application compatibility. Apple's move to Intel has changed the whole performance paradigm. I have personally tested the new MacIntels, and they are FAST. As to application compatibility, the move of Apple to Intel means that Mac emulators like Virtual PC and iEmulator will improve tremendously in performance once they are ready in Univeral Binary because they will no longer be translating PPC to x86.

3) I don't know about anyone else, but I installed Vista and did no driver updates. Everything worked fine.

4) Linux has its uses and has its issues as well. One use is a way to extend the life of lower powered PCs because Linux distros tend to be a bit less resource intensive. One issue is the utter inconsistency between the distros. I have used Ubuntu Linux and SuSe Linux; and preferred SuSe. One other thing, and this is strictly my opinion, but I detest Open Office (which pretty much scotched Linux for me right there).

5) Being mad at a software maker for taking anti-piracy measures is silly. MS is nowhere near alone in moving to validation schemes, and more will follow. And remember, all validation does is store a hash code that describes your computer and ties it to another unique Id referring to the copy of the software. Personally I have no issue with it.

6) Will Vista have bugs? Probably, all software has bugs especially on the initial release. The real questions are; are the bugs "killers" and how long does it take to get them resolved. Note that Windows 2000 and Windows XP both had no "killer" bugs on release (a killer bug is one that directly compromises OS functionality) and that patches for both OSes have been regular and forthcoming. Windows Me and Windows 98, however, DID have killer bugs on release. On the evidence, it seems the new beta testing processes put into place at MS are starting to bear fruit.

Important note: I am not including security issues in the buglist here because that is a different paradigm. XP did have some (but nothing like what some Linux groupies have claimed) major security issues out of the box, mostly due to MS insane policy of defaulting services and interfaces to on and open. Starting with XP SP2, that was changed (along with a lot of other hardening and tightening) and Vista is finally making the core level changes (like ending the ability of a user accounts to have permanent root privileges) needed to enable a real handle to be gotten on security.

7) Go to apple.com and check out the hardware on the MacIntels. Intel CoreDuo, 667Mhz DDR2 RAM, high end Radeon GPUs, I think they are moving in the right direction.
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post #30 of 101
3/13/06 at 2:28am
One question Bugeater, did you come to this thread to post actual "helpful" comments or just state your mind about everything in a displeasing way?

And yes I am getting OSX on my sentia you just watch in a couple of days
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post #31 of 101
3/13/06 at 10:04pm
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Good luck ST, as OS X is not built to boot properly off a conventional BIOS.
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post #32 of 101
3/13/06 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by -st-
One question Bugeater, did you come to this thread to post actual "helpful" comments or just state your mind about everything in a displeasing way?

And yes I am getting OSX on my sentia you just watch in a couple of days
My apologies, I suppose I did take a bit of a crack at your offence, but if you have to ask, you don't need to know. 'specially with piracy.

Also, I have not tried to state any of this in a displeasing way, just sought to refute what I considered not quite true, or did not understand. That's the beauty of the forums, my boy, you can argue. Now, should you wish to dispute anything I have said, feel free! I'll derive instrinsic satisfaction from researching further into my opinions, wether or not I am proved correct. Please, however, have an opinion other than simply stating that I am causing your feelings to be saddened. As for the helpfulness of my comments...well, in this thread, I've only made two, the first with the intent to further drive piracy away from these forums, an' the second in an attempt to understand what in the world purplewindow was saying, as well as to comment on such to the extent of my understanding.

I could sit here an' tell everybody 'great, good job, you're wonderful!', an' nobody would learn anything. If I've a seperate opinion, I state it, will research and argue about it, an' should I prove to be wrong, admit it an' change it. So, with that said, feel free to argue about what you find displeasing, but at least put something there to argue about.
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post #33 of 101
3/13/06 at 10:51pm
just wait, there will be a post up in no time for my dual boot sucess
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post #34 of 101
3/22/06 at 5:47am
Uh oh.....

so much fud who to slap???

Quad boot XP,Vista,Fedora,OSX on my sentia.... hah worship my 1337 ....heh
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post #35 of 101
3/22/06 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by archalien
Uh oh.....

so much fud who to slap???

Quad boot XP,Vista,Fedora,OSX on my sentia.... hah worship my 1337 ....heh
That's just disgusting man.

By the way, congrats.
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post #36 of 101
3/22/06 at 2:59pm
Can we get some pics of Vista on the sentia?
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post #37 of 101
3/22/06 at 6:56pm
good to know vista will work on the sentia, so that when the time finally comes (1/07 I guess now) I'll be able to upgrade it assuming they don't make any radical changes between now and then
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post #38 of 101
3/23/06 at 12:07am
Anyone know the MSRP on vista?
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post #39 of 101
3/23/06 at 12:38am
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Hi,

The link below is to a Word Doc with images on it. I will post images separately as soon as possible (namely once I get them into an image editor).

Enjoy!!!

Joel

http://www.thejoelist.com/VistaSentia/vista%20pics.doc
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post #40 of 101
3/27/06 at 1:40pm
joelist we want pictures!
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