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abfs take on macbook

post #1 of 29
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Went to my local apple store last night to finally get a chance to fiddle with the macbook. What can i say really?

the body looks very identical to the powerbook. i don't know if its a good or a bad thing, but at least it clearly keeps the computer in the family and it doesn't stand out like a black sheep. and the metal is pretty sexy.

things i didn't like:
as always there is only one mouse button. i will never buy a mac until they put a 2nd button in there. even the button they had was excecuted kinda poorly. i didn't feel comfortable pressing it. the keyboard i thought was another low point. i liked the size, an improvement over the powerbooks by far, but when i tried to type i didn't feel comfortable once again, the culprit this time: key travel. they just dont travel far down enough for my tastes. granted the laptop is really thin and they had to give up soem travel space to fit all the parts in, so i can forgive them that, but i wouldn't wanna be caught typing away on it for hours on end.

except for those 2 things, i can't really complain about it much more. i visited the store at the end of the day (7pm) so i assume the computer has been running for a while, because when i got to it, it was pretty warm. not the coldest notebook ever, but overall not too bad, "market average" if you will.

the size and the weight for 15" however surprised me, quite mobile. I mean, my uniwill is considered pretty damn thin (although not light) for the 15" seigment, but the macbook is just anaraxic compared to anything else.

prices scared me. although the base model ($1700) is ok, the top model ($2500) made me shit my pants. but then again, its traditional apple "boutique" pricing, and does not take away from the computer itself, just from the number of sales its gonna see.

with use it felt pretty snappy, but then again i haven't gamed on it. but its a mac, not really ment for gaming in teh first place.

verdict: huge step up from the powerbook. there is still room to improve (keyboard, 2nd mouse button) but overall not a bad package.

highs: size, weight, style
lows: keyboard

rank (1-worst 10-best): 7.5
post #2 of 29
Hi abf .... btw. Do u know that nobody here will actually take to consideration your opionon on apple .... Nevertheless its nice u gave macbook at leat 7.5 - thats passing grade ....
post #3 of 29
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no kidding, my best review of an apple laptop ever. seeing that G4 and G3 iBooks and powerbooks left me unimpressed.

what i meant to say in this thread is "i am happy apple is finally producing nice office systems"
post #4 of 29
nice review. I have yet to get my hands on the macbook pro. Was going to before flying out, but ran into some traffic which took up a lot of time. But, I'm sure Apple will always stick with the one button.
post #5 of 29
I don't really ever see Apple going with two buttons. The need for it in OSX is different than that in Windows.
post #6 of 29
Hey Abf!!!

I am really surprised that you griped about the key board. IMHO Apple keyboard is THE BEST i have seen on any laptop. I am not sure what you were comparing it with. Yes this keyboard is better than IBM.
post #7 of 29
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i just compred the keyboard to "general". although i agree there are keyboards worse than that on the mac, its really not the best. I like its size and shape and all, just the keys travel about 50-60% of what i'd LIKE them to travel. I spent more time typing on Uniwill 258KA0 and IBM T23. The T23 has some flex in the keyboard, thats what i dont like about it. However i think my uniwill keyboard is freaken awesome (except for the shrunken down space bar in order to put DEL on the bottom row (right next to the <--- arrow).
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by FrankTDouglas
I don't really ever see Apple going with two buttons. The need for it in OSX is different than that in Windows.
Apple is targeting markets where a 2nd button is actually very viable. Foremost would be gaming. Some games (let's use Doom 3 for example since it's on their website) can be a pain without a secondary fire button. In any FPS game, this is a reality.

Also for what it's worth, it does appear that Apple is succumbing to the reality of its users wanting a second mouse button. If this weren't the case, then why did they create (and hype) the mighty mouse so much?

Just my 2 cents. I am also personally annoyed by only one button my MacBook Pro. When people get XP running on this hardware, a second mouse button is going to be even more highly desired. Oh well, there are always external mice.
post #9 of 29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle
When people get XP running on this hardware,
never gonna happen. gotta wait for vista
post #10 of 29
Isn't there a bus you can jump in front where you live?
post #11 of 29
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i am in the burbs, no busses here. but plenty of cars
post #12 of 29
Then find a big one.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by abf
never gonna happen. gotta wait for vista
You think it won't happen? I do.

Look at http://www.flickr.com/photos/32436196@N00/.

Oh, and Vista won't make a difference anyways because Microsoft has officially stated that the initial release will *not* support EFI booting.
post #14 of 29
Regarding Vista and EFI, here a little piece from MSDN:

What has changed?
Windows Vista introduces a new boot loader architecture; a new firmware-independent boot configuration and storage system called Boot Configuration Data (BCD); and a new boot option editing tool, BCDEdit (BCDEdit.exe). These components are designed to load Windows more quickly and more securely.

The traditional Windows NT boot loader, Ntldr, is replaced by Windows Boot Manager (Bootmgr.exe) and a set of system-specific boot loaders. In the new configuration, Windows Boot Manager is generic and unaware of the specific requirements for each operating system, and each system-specific boot loader is optimized for the system that it loads.

What happened to Boot.ini?
On BIOS-based computers that are running only Windows Vista, the Boot.ini text file is gone (not hidden) and any remnants of it on interim beta test builds are ignored. On computers with both earlier versions of Windows and with Windows Vista, the Boot.ini file remains to support the older versions but it does not affect booting in Windows Vista.

On EFI-based computers that are running Windows Vista, boot options are still stored in NVRAM. However, in Windows Vista you use BCDEdit to edit boot options on an EFI-based computer just as you would on a BIOS-based computer, instead of accessing NVRAM directly by using Windows APIs or specialized tools such as NvrBoot.

Windows Vista also includes new BCD classes that are supported by the WMI provider and enable you to edit BCD programmatically. For information about BCD classes, see the end of this tip.


It would seem Vista does indeed support EFI booting. In fact, you can boot XP off EFI right now on Itanium based systems.
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Joelist
It would seem Vista does indeed support EFI booting. In fact, you can boot XP off EFI right now on Itanium based systems.
Not so, at least according to a recent Microsoft announcement from March 10th: http://apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/E666E...25712C008166C4
post #16 of 29
I think I'll believe MSDN over a mag like apc, as MSDN has much more of an inside track.
post #17 of 29
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Apple is targeting markets where a 2nd button is actually very viable. Foremost would be gaming. Some games (let's use Doom 3 for example since it's on their website) can be a pain without a secondary fire button. In any FPS game, this is a reality.
ok, but how does that relate to another mouse button on a notebook? if yer using the trackpad and button instead of KB & mouse for commands, yer getting owned.
post #18 of 29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by triadone
ok, but how does that relate to another mouse button on a notebook? if yer using the trackpad and button instead of KB & mouse for commands, yer getting owned.
i think he was talking about macs in general, not just laptops. so if you get an imac, you get a dinky 1 button mouse with it.
post #19 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by triadone
ok, but how does that relate to another mouse button on a notebook? if yer using the trackpad and button instead of KB & mouse for commands, yer getting owned.
Actually, a trackpad can be just as good as a mouse with a little bit of practice.
post #20 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by abf
i think he was talking about macs in general, not just laptops. so if you get an imac, you get a dinky 1 button mouse with it.

no one's stopping u from using a 3rd party mouse... blaming on a mouse is completely irrelevant to the quality of a product. Those who want a decent mouse don't usually use the ones that come with their computers... but they will get 3rd party brands tt specialise in mice such as logitech...
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