Looks like people gave up on the 8790 - Page 2

We choose to release info on upcoming products so that our customers can be informed when making a large purchase. We would rather you refrain from purchasing something versus having made a purchase and coming back to us angry that we didn't tell you we were releasing something bigger and better in a month. We get calls ALL the time asking when the 5680's successor (or any other model) will be out since they don't want to buy it and have it be obsolete.

So is the general consensus that you all would rather not know that a new product is coming?

If you look at the release thread, it says:

ESTIMATED RELEASE DATE: JAN. 2004

Honestly, how have they strayed from this? How can you guys be *angry* that it isn't out yet? Forums members did their duty and scoured the internet for info and got dates from other sources, but that doesn't mean that any of that was true. We ONLY release info we get directly from the source. Please also notice the *estimated* in there. This means that it could be February. It also means they are shooting for January. Since you guys are all very educated on electronics and computers, you likely know that release dates are never an exact thing. Anyone who was around for the 8890 and 5680 release knows this. The 4780, on the other hand, was right on time.

So please, don't be mad at PC Torque or Sager for trying to give you all the info we had on what the next latest and greatest thing was. You all were given the same info, and that hasn't changed a bit. Anyone who was misled by their own research can't be angry because they did that to themselves. You all knew it was estimated to be released in Jan. 04, and it is STILL Jan. 04. Even if it pushes into February, you knew that could happen since the date was an estimate. I know that there are lots of people on a timeline, but we gave you all the information we had on a date, and you all knew that your timeline was really tight to start out with.

The people at Sager read these forums. If they see you are unhappy getting advance information, perhaps next time we won't be able to get Sager to give us any info and we will all be in the dark.

Bang on Laura...

If anyone really wants it they will wait and get it. Its a silly attitude really...As if PC Torque handles manufacturing in Sager California

At least you dont have a configurator up with bogus options. I mean...look at the other resellers who have these machines already up for pre-order...now tell me - who is giving you wrong information!?!?

I can wait. If you guys cant then feel free to order whatever you want. Dont vent your frustration on PC Torque and Sager because no matter what happens - no one else is getting an 8790 before PC Torque has it on their website and available for ordering.

here's to the 8790

FYI, ATI Europe are doing a press day on M11 this coming Monday. We'll know soon what the news will be. nVidia are doing a mobile video even later that week too.

I love assertive women.
Thanks Laura .

Alternatively, Sager could be having a surplus of 5680/8890 model's which it would really like to have sold before launching 8790 ?

Just my 2 cents... But, who knows...

You guys just don't get, do you? This is all a vast, dark conspiracy that aims to drive us to the brink of frustration and futility...so much that we all simply take sledgehammers to our laptops...and have no other choice but to buy the re-release of...

the Commodore 64!!!!!!!!!!

Be afraid...

It seems to me that the holdup can be laid entirely at the feet of ATI. The 4780 is a released product and the 8790 will be built on that form factor. The 8890 is a released product and the 8790 seems to be a 4780 with an 8890 motherboard. The only difference is the video card - and maybe the WUXGA screen but nobody expects that right away do they?
Personally I would have snapped up a 4780 except for the chipset in it. That's why I am waiting for the 8790. I want a wide screen with the 865PE chip. I don't really care about 9700, the 9600 would be fine by me. So if Sager would like to release the 8790 immediately with the 9600 and 865PE until ATI can get their product out the door I would buy and I wouldn't complain too loudly if I had to take it with the WUXGA. I would have purchased a Toshiba long ago except for the measly 64mb video card.

doubt it, noone has the new ati card, imo thats what is holding everyone up. But i imagine their are alot of 8790 shells ready to go just waiting for the boards.

Hey no bashing those commodore 64's!! I had two of them and they both sucked I dont know what made me get them in the first place...one was free and the other was not



i tried programming on them but it was horrible. I dont mind having an 8790 instead. But of course...if it takes too long then I might consider the commodore 64 which really is the next generation in computing...

We want all the news that's fit to print.

Thank you Laura and PCTorque for keeping us up to date on new releases. I would much rather know about possible new releases well in advance, than be in the dark.

Always best to know.

FYI, the same exact thing happens every time PCTorque/Sager gives out information. People whine and complain all the way up to the release. E.g. the 5680 and 8890 were announced sometime in early March for a late July/early Aug release. Here are some of the things people said from March to August:

"Why are they taking so long"
"This article said they're suppose to be shipping the M10's in laptops already in May/June why is sager behind"
"xxxx has the m10 laptops already available to order...I'm going there"
"ATI and xxxx review says the m10 pro won't be available until October"
"I'm getting xxxx I can't wait that long"
"They said July where is it?!...they said August where is it"

Fact:
Sager 5680/8890 preorders begin August 7 and shipping a few weeks later.
Sager customers were the first I believe to get the M10 "pro" (i believe toshiba released a nonpro version before them)

So don't flog them about release information. Sager has been the most accurate in terms of actual machine specs and release dates. It's already happening again. People complaining about release dates and people saying that it isn't an m11...etc

end rant.

Bottom Line

[quote=Laura@PCTorque]

So is the general consensus that you all would rather not know that a new product is coming.

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No, the general consensus is that on-going communication is best. So annoucing an estimated release date is fine, but when it is clear that the release date will slip, annouce that it is slipping and either give another estimate or say no-estimate.

For example:
Oct 2003 [Annouce Product, Annouce Estimated Release Date. State--Release date depends on things out of our control and may slip.]

Dec 2003 [Annouce release date is slipping, no estimate at this point]

Jan 2004 [Announce new estimated release date (same caveat)]


XXX 2004 [lather, rinse, repeat until release]

Cheers,

As far as I'm aware it hasn't slipped (it's still January by my clock) and I've never seen them miss an 'estimated' release date by more than a week or 2 since I have followed them (almost 2 years)

Hi Laura...despite my (mild) frustration, I don't blame PC Torque at all!

My note wasn't meant to be directed at you, as I know you do your best to keep us all up-to-date with the latest info you're given.

And although I mentioned Cleveo/Eurocomm/Sager, I'm not specifically mad at them either...it's more of a pet peeve I have with the entire industry.

Anyway, I don't subscribe that much to rumors and speculation...the things that bug me the most are sources like Eurocomm's website (originally stating 8790 in January with WUXGA ), or Sager's full color 8790 magazine ad (with no mention that the 8790 is not even available yet!).

If an 8790 with 256MB M11 and WUXGA are available by the end of this month or next...I'll be first to apologize for my rant (and also the first in line to order one from PC Torque!)

Cheers, and thanks for providing us with the up-to-date info you're given, and for providing us with these excellent forums!

Once again, just to be clear, at no time did I blame PC Torque for anything!

They are the only vendor I'd buy a Sager from and I have no problem with the info they've provided to us on the 8790 or otherwise!

http://notebookforums.com/showthread...961#post137961

Finally! an update!

Whyyyyyne Whyyyyyne Whyyyyyne

Sometimes it's QUITYOURBITTCHIN time. Sager's response to the magizine ad was "Sometime in February". This was stated in several threads within this forum. Some perople just don't "get it"!

Geeezee, you'd think that someone actually lied about a delivery date and then didn't make it. We are talking about the "bleeding edge" in laptop technology with a yet to be announced/released video card and a processor that is posted to be available on February 14th.

Chill, have a Beer, Whine, shot, or other beverage, count to 14 trillion and who knows, before you are done, the laptops may be available (just don't automate the counting).

November 2003 - 8790 announced with an ESTIMATED release date of Jan 2004. Who doesn't know that it is dependent upon things that PC Torque, Sager and possibly even Clevo can't control?

December 2003 - (I assume) no news from ODM/OEM that it will ship, or not, on time. Post that there is no new information? To what purpose?

January 2004 - Posted update, (I assume) as soon as information from their supply chain let them know, that the NEW ESTIMATED ship date is now February 2004.

Whats the issue?

I for one believe that my 2 assumptions are correct and I don't see any benefit for either us (forum users and laptop purchasers) or PC Torque in having PC Torque post updates on the boards that there are no updates...

my 2 cents... keep the change

Thanks infamous_pb for pointing out the update from Adam!

G-omaha...you've missed the point completely...sure, I know NOW that the release MAY be in Februrary. But that was not how this whole thing played out from the beginning when talk started in November 2003. I'm aslo not sure if "Sager's response" to their magazine ad (I assume you're referring to second-hand information that other users posted here) exemplifies the best approach for a notebook manufacturer to communicate it's release dates.

Anyway, QUITYOURBITTCHIN