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post #101 of 197
msantos,

I want to do the turion 64 upgrade, but I want to get bios version 2.04a installed before I try and upgrade my processor. Sorry to bug you, but I sent you a PM with my email address and I was hoping to get it off you.

Thanks in advance!
post #102 of 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve byte
I've posted my mainboard info (with the Medion BIOS) from CPUz on the previous post, pic # 3. It shows Rev. 01, but unless sb comes up with anything different, you have to look somewhere else.
Can anybody from Eurocom / Sager confirm where to look for the revision on the board (place of sticker etc.)?
Steve have you done further testing with parallel and serial port settings yet? I haven't had the chance. Cpuz shows my board as rev 1 also.
post #103 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Infamous
msantos,

I want to do the turion 64 upgrade, but I want to get bios version 2.04a installed before I try and upgrade my processor. Sorry to bug you, but I sent you a PM with my email address and I was hoping to get it off you.

Thanks in advance!
No prob. Just don't forget to PM me your email address.

Regards;

MS
post #104 of 197
HOLD THE PHONE!!



This looks like the EXACT same chassis as the 8790. Can anyone verify this?
post #105 of 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Steve have you done further testing with parallel and serial port settings yet?
Yes, I did, today. But no success - in my opinion.
Booting into WinXP Pro was okay with all options (ser. auto/off and/or par. auto/off).
Sometime the BIOS showed PCI device errors, which required a second reboot, a loading of the default BIOS settings and and (automatic) update of the configuration.
Even one time I managed to get an "invalid configuration settings" error from the BIOS just by switching ser. / par. port setting (and I've switched the USB booting option, too).
In ALL cases, my 3.2 AMD DTR CPU was tested with Prime95, torture test, second option from top - and failed in ALL cases after .1 sec.
So in my opinion, this BIOS isn't stable enough to be run on MY mainboard (revision) with MY CPU (and prob.) MY windows config.
RAM was back to 160 MHz, btw.
When time allows, I will try with another HD and a fresh WinXP Pro install again.
In the meantime, back to Medion 015 BIOS.
Just a pic attached showing CPUz info screen with BIOS 2.04a.
Steve
LL
post #106 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogieman117
HOLD THE PHONE!!


This looks like the EXACT same chassis as the 8790. Can anyone verify this?
Yep. Clevo manufactured two differently powered notebooks with the same chassis: One powered by an Intel and the other powered by an AMD CPU. Our model is the D470K.

post #107 of 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve byte
Yes, I did, today. But no success - in my opinion.
Booting into WinXP Pro was okay with all options (ser. auto/off and/or par. auto/off).
Sometime the BIOS showed PCI device errors, which required a second reboot, a loading of the default BIOS settings and and (automatic) update of the configuration.
Even one time I managed to get an "invalid configuration settings" error from the BIOS just by switching ser. / par. port setting (and I've switched the USB booting option, too).
In ALL cases, my 3.2 AMD DTR CPU was tested with Prime95, torture test, second option from top - and failed in ALL cases after .1 sec.
So in my opinion, this BIOS isn't stable enough to be run on MY mainboard (revision) with MY CPU (and prob.) MY windows config.
RAM was back to 160 MHz, btw.
When time allows, I will try with another HD and a fresh WinXP Pro install again.
In the meantime, back to Medion 015 BIOS.
Just a pic attached showing CPUz info screen with BIOS 2.04a.
Steve
I had a feeling thiat would be the result. I tried 2.04a pretty extnsively and it just didn't want run on my 4750 no matter what settings I chose. In my case it wasn't related to Windows as it would BSOD during the fresh install attempt. It's destined to remain a 3700 plus for now.
post #108 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
I had a feeling thiat would be the result. I tried 2.04a pretty extnsively and it just didn't want run on my 4750 no matter what settings I chose. In my case it wasn't related to Windows as it would BSOD during the fresh install attempt. It's destined to remain a 3700 plus for now.
If true, this is definitely not good news - as it turns a CPU upgrade into a costly game of roussian roulette.

I got assurances from Eurocom that all *Their* D470K Pyhton's are elligible for the Turion upgrades with the recommended BIOS updates. I have no reason to doubt them as they have proven to be VERY technically competent up until now (unlike our Sager friends). Having said that however, could this be an indication that the Sager models may have greater design variability that makes some of them ineligible for the upgrade?

I think this is something we should investigate - if indeed there are more people reporting upgrade discrepancies such as yours. It almost appears we should get a head count of how many have succeeded in performing the upgrade.

Informally from the email feedback I have gotten, the count it at 8. I suspect there may be a few more that have also succeeded and have chosen to go about life as usual - At least I have not heard reports of failure from them -yet.


Regards;


MS
post #109 of 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by msantos
It almost appears we should get a head count of how many have succeeded in performing the upgrade.
You can count me as unsuccessfully for the moment.

What I really like to see here is the data from various (diff. ?) mainboards on the D47K series.

I'll start here with what I have:
S/N NKD47K004J05777

Modem modul under HD has a sticker with the same SN on it, Modem module is: Billiontan Systems Inc. MDC556S-1 (hard to read, has some black tape on it)

RAM bank has sticker: 1TD47K005180179 (plus red point to the right)

CPU heat pipe has sticker:
31-D47KN-102
D470K_CPU
A040803A

other than this, no visible revison sticker or no's on the board, but this is as far as I have only remove the normal buttom covers.

Steve
post #110 of 197
Hey m, didn't you say the 2.02 Eurocom supports the Turion too. If that's the case...maybe those of us that can't get 2.04a to work should try 2.02. If that runs stable, a Turion purchase may still be worth while.
post #111 of 197

Successful Turion ML-44 Upgrade

I have a D470k (with a 3400+) which I got through M-Tech (poor support though, I wouldn't recommend them) in August '04. I had upgraded to 2.04a about a week previously, so I just popped the new proc in with some Dynex silver paste (from Best Buy), rebooted the thing, and it came right up. Haven't had any problems with BSODs or anything...

It runs noticeably cooler (my wrist doesn't burn), and after following the extremely useful Rightmark instructions upthread, it idles at 802Mhz and throttles nicely up and down between that and 2.41Mhz. The fan idles at a lower speed, but it still runs constantly. I do have the 5400RPM drive, which probably runs a bit hotter, but I'm not sure. I'd love it if I could get the fan to shut off entirely, if anyone has any suggestions.

At Idle, the CPU sticks right around 31 degrees C, and the HD is at 40 degrees C.
post #112 of 197
Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
Hey m, didn't you say the 2.02 Eurocom supports the Turion too.
Yes, 2.02 shall work with the Turion. The major problem (as reported & discussed previously) with 2.02 was that the DMA for the HDs wasn't set / initialised correctly to DMA 5. That's why msantos got Eurocom to make a 2.04a from the older 2.04 (2.04 had the same DMA problem as 2.02, 2.04a not).
post #113 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by memophage
I have a D470k (with a 3400+) which I got through M-Tech (poor support though, I wouldn't recommend them) in August '04. I had upgraded to 2.04a about a week previously, so I just popped the new proc in with some Dynex silver paste (from Best Buy), rebooted the thing, and it came right up. Haven't had any problems with BSODs or anything...

It runs noticeably cooler (my wrist doesn't burn), and after following the extremely useful Rightmark instructions upthread, it idles at 802Mhz and throttles nicely up and down between that and 2.41Mhz. The fan idles at a lower speed, but it still runs constantly. I do have the 5400RPM drive, which probably runs a bit hotter, but I'm not sure. I'd love it if I could get the fan to shut off entirely, if anyone has any suggestions.

At Idle, the CPU sticks right around 31 degrees C, and the HD is at 40 degrees C.
Indeed, except for the vendor details, your example and details echoes much of the positive email feedback I've received. On this perspective, it lends credability to Eurocom's statetement that all their D470K's should support the upgrade. I still hope that all other vendors drew from the same Clevo production stream.

I am not sure my notebook's fan stops spinning at all. But given the temps it reaches when idling I defintely cannot hear the fan at all. I only notice a little rev-up wirl when the temp reaches 40 celcius - and even after this the fan is barely audible.


Regards;

MS
post #114 of 197

2.04a bios...

I would like someone to send my bios 2.04a so I can fix UDMA 2 problem.

I have sent PM to msantos but didn't get a reply...

If someone else has the file please send it to

uneekone@gmail.com

Thanks!
post #115 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uneekone
I would like someone to send my bios 2.04a so I can fix UDMA 2 problem.

I have sent PM to msantos but didn't get a reply...

If someone else has the file please send it to

uneekone@gmail.com

Thanks!
Sorry. Yesterday was a family day for me so I did not touch a computer at all .

Anyhow I sent you the email. Good luck.

Regards;
post #116 of 197
Thank you so much!!!


Works great!

post #117 of 197
@MSANTOS,

Hi I sent you a pm with my email. Can you please forward me the BIOS update so that I can test it.

Thx.
post #118 of 197
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bronco
@MSANTOS,

Hi I sent you a pm with my email. Can you please forward me the BIOS update so that I can test it.

Thx.
Done. Sorry for the delay. I never realized that there were THAT many D470K users out there.

Regards;

MS
post #119 of 197
Got It Will try tm. Hope it works .
post #120 of 197

New RMClock 2.1 beta 2

Things have been going fairly well with my ML-44 and 2.04a bios. You can definately count me in the "it works" column. The only problem I have been having is an occasional lockup when at near idle. It looks like it might have been the Rightmark CPU clock 2.05. I had set the bottom and top voltages up to .85 and something like 1.45 to try to get it stable, but it would still hang on occasion.

I noticed that they have a RMClock 2.1 beta2 out (look in the forum), and I have installed that. This version has direct support for the ML processors! The one part of setting up this new version that drove me crazy was that I could not change the voltages. It had 1.4v for everything. I finally figured out that you have to click on the "+ Profiles" menu (NOT on the plus sign, but on the word "Profiles"). This gives you a menu where you can set the bottom and top voltages. I now have the bottom and top voltages at .75v and 1.375v. No problems so far. It will be a week or so before I know if it has fixed the problem. I also plan to try the prime9 torture tests to see what voltages I can use.

I also noticed that AMD has a newer 1.3.1 May 2006 processor driver out.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...1_9706,00.html
I have installed that as well.

Regarding fans. My laptop's fan comes on at 55c and shuts off completely at 40c. I made laptop coolers like MS's and have them at work, and at home. The laptop's fan never comes on if I am doing ordinary office stuff. It always comes on when I am gaming. I highly reccommend that people build their own laptop cooler. One 80mm fan undervolted to 6-7v blowing up under the processor intake is quite adequate. You might want a 2nd fan under the video intake as well.

Regards,

SteveW
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