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post #61 of 197
3/28/06 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by digitalpunk
Send me that bios!!! PM sent.

Done!
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post #62 of 197
3/29/06 at 12:17am
Ok here's a quick question... does Winphlash have an X64 version? I can't get the friggin bios to load...
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post #63 of 197
3/29/06 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by digitalpunk
Ok here's a quick question... does Winphlash have an X64 version? I can't get the friggin bios to load...
Sorry. It does not work for me either. Fortunately I dual boot between x32 and x64 and that solves my problem with Winphlash.

If you only have XP x64, then an easy alternative is to download BARTPE CD boot ISO and run Winphlash from that x32 session.

Regards;
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post #64 of 197
3/29/06 at 2:34am
Damn... google here I come.
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post #65 of 197
3/29/06 at 1:48pm
I figured out why the processor was so hot. The cool and quiet is not working. The frequency and voltage never drop. I checked and the power profile is portable/laptop. I re-installed the via chipset and agp drivers, and the amd processor driver. No luck.
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post #66 of 197
3/29/06 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Stevew
I figured out why the processor was so hot. The cool and quiet is not working. The frequency and voltage never drop. I checked and the power profile is portable/laptop. I re-installed the via chipset and agp drivers, and the amd processor driver. No luck.
May I sugest you check the following?
  1. See if your power options (Control panel) settings are set to portable/laptop. If thery are not then the CPU will not throttle.
  2. I actually have it set to "RMCLock Power Management" as I prefer to have RMClock setup with multiple CPU and north bridge throttling profiles. I highly recommend you give RMClock a try.

Regards;
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post #67 of 197
3/29/06 at 3:09pm
could I get that bios upgrade?.... I will be doing this myself
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post #68 of 197
3/29/06 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by msantos
May I sugest you check the following?
  1. See if your power options (Control panel) settings are set to portable/laptop. If thery are not then the CPU will not throttle.
  2. I actually have it set to "RMCLock Power Management" as I prefer to have RMClock setup with multiple CPU and north bridge throttling profiles. I highly recommend you give RMClock a try.

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I had it at portable/laptop.
I re-installed the AMD processor driver, I installed RMClock. Initially it did not change anything. I went through the tabs and clicked "defaults". After messing around for a while it went to 800Mhz. Good, right? Wrong. Now it won't throttle up no matter what I do. I made a small program to count to 10 million. I see the load peg to 100%. Processor stays at 800Mhz.

I figured it out. You have to manually add pstates into RMClock.
I have:
State 0 FID 4.0x VID = .975v
State 1 FID 12.0x VID = 1.375v

msantos, can you post the pstates you are using? Thanks.
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post #69 of 197
3/29/06 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by Stevew
I figured it out. You have to manually add pstates into RMClock.
I have:
State 0 FID 4.0x VID = .975v
State 1 FID 12.0x VID = 1.375v

msantos, can you post the pstates you are using? Thanks.
Glad to see you figured it out.

Here's my strategy for setting the pstates. If you follow this approach your machine should very very cool and quiet.
  1. First specify the lower pstate at 4x and 0.8 volts
  2. Second, enter the highest pstate at 12x and 1.35 volts
  3. Then specify whole integer pstates from 5 to 11. Make sure that RMclock picks the appropriate voltage automatically. A checkbox does this each time you enter a new pstate. Do not specify half multipliers. Instead enter whole integers.
  4. On the last tab tick the checkbox for "lower power north bridge" and make sure that the AMD pstates radio button is not selected.

Here are some snapshots of my RMClock setup:











Regards;

MS
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post #70 of 197
3/31/06 at 4:47pm
Thanks MS. That is very valuable info.
I made some tweaks from what you posted. I really like RMClock. It will be interesting to see if others that upgrade to an ML-44 have the same lack of throttling, and have to use RMClock.

I have ordered a very quiet 120mm fan, and will be building a laptop cooler similar to yours.

-Steve
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post #71 of 197
4/3/06 at 3:38am
Can y'all recommend a good place to order an ML-44 from? Where'd you get yours? None of my local stores seem to have any in stock, so I'm looking for a reputable online store...
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post #72 of 197
4/3/06 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by memophage
Can y'all recommend a good place to order an ML-44 from? Where'd you get yours? None of my local stores seem to have any in stock, so I'm looking for a reputable online store...
You can try "Excalibur PC" or "Monarch Computer".

MS
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post #73 of 197
4/3/06 at 11:59pm
Hey M...by any chance did you test either the 2.02 or 2.04 bios with your 3700 plus? Before ordering a processor, I flashed with 2.04a. I was greeted with 3 immediate BSOD's in x64. Going back to XP Pro I was greeted with a system freeze and a BSOD. Fortunately I had the Sager bios on cd and immediately flashed back. The system is back to it's normal rock steady state. I would suggest this bios is only for Turions except it recognized the 3700 plus and almost competely booted before the bsods.

For those would be pioneers that want to upgrade, make sure you have a backup plan. Although Winflash backed up my bios prior to flash I couldn't get back to Windows. I may have been able to reflash from Safe Mode but didn't try.

BTW- For those wondering...according to Eurocom's tech support, the 2.04a bios does not support the 2.6Ghz 4000 plus Newark core. :-(
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post #74 of 197
4/4/06 at 1:07am
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Originally Posted by WFO
Hey M...by any chance did you test either the 2.02 or 2.04 bios with your 3700 plus?
I had been running the BIOS 2.02 for several months on my 3700+ without any issues. I also ran the 2.04 for a little over month without a problem either. Again, I too run under XP in both x32 and x64 and in both sessions things remained pretty steady and solid.

You know, it may help to reset the machine configuration data in the BIOS whenever a significant firmware change is made. Perhaps that was your problem.

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Originally Posted by WFO
BTW- For those wondering...according to Eurocom's tech support, the 2.04a bios does not support the 2.6Ghz 4000 plus Newark core. :-(
That's too bad, but again the 4000 is not out yet (or is it ???? ) and with the impending switch to a new mobile socket I do not know how generous of a production run will AMD provide on the 4000 for the aging 754 socket.
After all, these ML and MT CPU's were not meant for retail and at first the ML-44 was fully allocated to HP only. In the end it was hard enough to locate the few retailers that carry it. I just hope the 4000 has at least as good a presence as the ML-44 when it comes out.

Any way we look at it, the writing in on the wall - socket 754 and 939 are soon becoming things of the past. So I look at the current higher speed Turions as the last opportunity for a sure upgrade on our D470K laptops. The 4000 would make it even sweeter.


Best regards;

MS
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post #75 of 197
4/4/06 at 2:41am
Hmmm...that's what I was looking for. I was looking for something that said "Restore Defaults" and didn't see it. I'll have to try again in a week or so.

The 4000 Plus has been available from NewEgg since last Sept. or Oct. They take it off the site when they are out of stock. That's the cpu that originally started me drooling over a processor upgrade. I was disappointed to learn it's not supported.
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post #76 of 197
4/4/06 at 10:15pm
Just an update...I couldn't wait and reflashed again tonight. After resetting the configuration data in the bios, it did better. I had one BSOD while getting ready for a benchmark. Afterwards I was able to run PassMark Performance test for x64. Old Sager 2.02 bios 417.5. Eurocom bios 2.04a...450.6. I tried running 3Dmark '05 and got the 2nd BSOD. Back to the Sager bios for now. I wrote tech support today to see if they have their own version of 2.04. LOL...my 4750 is only a couple months older than msantos'. I wish I knew why mine doesn't like the Eurocom bios.
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post #77 of 197
4/4/06 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by WFO
I wrote tech support today to see if they have their own version of 2.04. LOL...my 4750 is only a couple months older than msantos'. I wish I knew why mine doesn't like the Eurocom bios.
That trully sucks.

You are right. Our machines having been produced just months apart should be identical. Also, I believe Eurocom's D470K units (or everyone else's) are identical to the Sager 4750 in even the smallest detail so their BIOS should work on our machines - as it does on mine and other folks in this forum.

hummm... odd. Even if you had a different mainboard revision, it still would not explain the BSOD as the BIOS is typically designed to accommodate all hardware revisions.

The only other explanation would be the OS and its driver configuration still having references to the older firmware. Did you try installing another session of Windows (just for giggles) ?

<updated>
I just had another thought... How clean is your machine on the inside? I know it may not seem much but different BIOSes at times do exercise the platform's subsystems differently which includes timings, protocol exchange latencies and so on. In doing so, they also redistribute the generated heat signatures as well as cross-talk interferences between the buses.
So, what I mean is that environmental conditions can conspire to crash the hardware more frequently. Anyhow, this was just a thought.




Regards;



MS
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post #78 of 197
4/5/06 at 9:17am
Actually a fresh install of x64 is on my list of things to try. I'm leaning towards a driver conflict of some sort. I just need more than a couple hours when I try it. The machine is quite clean as it get's blown out weekly and fresh thermal paste whenever temps go above mid 60's. As reported in other threads that seems to be 2-3 months.

I'm also quite curious as to Sager has the new bios. It's been about 2 months since I last wrote.
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post #79 of 197
4/7/06 at 2:54pm
I was writing up a post last night about how well this machine has been working since the upgrade. The forum was down, so I left the machine overnight, and it was hung when I got back to it this morning. . Lets try agian shall we? I set the minimum voltage up from .8v to .85v.

I got 2.04 and put it on when I still had the 3400+. It was stable. The thing I noticed was that the fans ran much louder with the new bios. I know that the old bios ran the fans too low and the machine would hang on occasion.

After installing 2.04 I had some odd interrupt assignment messages when booting. I immediately reset the configuration data. That didn't help. I went back in and re-enabled the parallel port. I figured that would make it re-assign interrupts, and it did.

After I put the ML-44 in I noticed that it was still running the fans a lot. The cool and quiet was not working as it had in the past. I eventually got the RightMark CPU clock. That works well. I am curious to see if others that upgrade to the ML-44 (or even just 2.04) have to use RightMark.

I have had the ML-44 for over a week now. The machine now runs very cool. I ran it on battery for 1 hour yesterday and it still had 66% battery left. The fan comes on about every 10 minutes for about 1 minute when the machine is idling. I made a simple laptop cooler with thin plywood and a low-speed 120mm fan. That is keeping the CPU at 42c and the HDD at 39c instead of 50-55c CPU, 58c HDD. Now the fan never comes on when the machine is idling.

It's hard to imagine what it must be like to have a 3700 in there. I think the ML-44 is a necessary upgrade for anyone that has a D470k. It makes the machine what it always should have been.

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post #80 of 197
4/7/06 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Stevew
It's hard to imagine what it must be like to have a 3700 in there. I think the ML-44 is a necessary upgrade for anyone that has a D470k. It makes the machine what it always should have been.
You are right. Having a 3700+ stuffed in this machine was a recipe for early hardware failure. The temperatures were hard to manage even with a powerfull laptop cooler under it. In the end, it was a very noisy notebook to live with.

Now it's Bliss !!
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