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Video cards, 7900GTX or X1900XTX. Tough choice.

post #1 of 22
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These are the current home user video card big dogs from nVidia and ATI. Both will do SLI now. I'm torn. Anybody have any personal experience with either?

Might be the first time in a while I don't have an nVidia card in my gaming machine.

From what I've seen ATI has a prettier screen with a better color pallet. I won't be doing SLI or Crossfire myself, just one card. Prices are so similar that it's nearly not even a factor. I'm leaning towards ATI just to have some change. Recent video cards in my gaming machine in order are;

ATI 9700 Pro 128mb
nVidia FX5900 256mb
nVidia 7800GT 256mb


PICTURES:

nVidia 7900GTX



ATI X1900XTX

post #2 of 22
So you're upgrading from a 7900GT that you must have JUST bought to a 7900GTX? WHY?
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by mr. roboto
So you're upgrading from a 7900GT that you must have JUST bought to a 7900GTX? WHY?
Whoops, mistake. I have a 7800GT in my machine right now. I actually still get some choppiness in the game I play, Star Wars Galaxies with everything on high. I have a fairly high resolution lcd screen so I need a strong card. Plus, I have a buyer for my 7800GT that I can't pass up on because the offer is so good.
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by 1COOLPC
Whoops, mistake. I have a 7800GT in my machine right now. I actually still get some choppiness in the game I play, Star Wars Galaxies with everything on high. I have a fairly high resolution lcd screen so I need a strong card. Plus, I have a buyer for my 7800GT that I can't pass up on because the offer is so good.
They're really both the same, with the X1900XTX verrrrrry slighty ahead. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. IF you plan to overclock get the X1900XTX. Not because it overclocks any better overall, but just because the overclock utility available for the X1900's also allows you to increase the voltage applied for the video core & the RAM. Currently the only way to increase voltage on the 7900's is to hardwire them.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by Karma
They're really both the same, with the X1900XTX verrrrrry slighty ahead. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. IF you plan to overclock get the X1900XTX. Not because it overclocks any better overall, but just because the overclock utility available for the X1900's also allows you to increase the voltage applied for the video core & the RAM. Currently the only way to increase voltage on the 7900's is to hardwire them.
I assume this is different than bumping the video voltage up in my motherboard BIOS?
post #6 of 22
i say 7900gtx... but thats just because i am now an nvidia fan. in my older days i used to be hardcore ati only but that changed with the 7xxx series from nvidia and owning some nvidia products....
post #7 of 22
7900 gtx, yeah i am a nvidia fan but the 7 series pwns
post #8 of 22
Get the X1900 XT/X, it has the best image quality by far, overall edge in D3D performance, offers HDR+AA and has software voltage control + overclocking. Here's a review that was released today:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...roundup/9.html

Although the screenshots show differences in image quality, one has to keep in mind that shimmering/texture crawling are not nearly as visible in shots as they would be in motion. In another words the effects of nVidia's AF shimmering/texture crawling is much more pronounced in motion compared to still shots.

Here are some interesting snips from their review:

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The GeForce 7900 GTX trades blows with the Radeon X1900XTX in our selection of popular titles, but doesn't deliver a knock out blow. In that respect, neither does ATI. NVIDIA has succeeded on a number of fronts, but we feel that they've missed out on at least one important feature in their move to 90 nanometres at the high end.

We feel that NVIDIA's hardware suffers from having lower realistically playable image quality - high quality anisotropic filtering is a given on the Radeon X1900-series cards, meaning that they are in a different league on the image quality front. If you're looking for the best-looking pixels in the business, you should be using an ATI Radeon X1900XT or Radeon X1900XTX.

From their BF 2 benchmark:

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The Radeon X1900XTX was able to play the game at the same resolution as the two GeForce 7900 GTX frequencies that we've tested here. We found that Battlefield 2 was playable at 1920x1200 4xQAAA 8xHQ AF with all details set to their maximum. High quality anisotropic filtering made a huge difference in this title. Even with high quality driver settings, there were still some quite large differences in texture filtering quality - this was most noticeable on gravel or grass-textured areas.
From their AOE3 benchmark:

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Of course, the Radeon X1900XT and Radeon X1900XTX both support HDR and antialiasing, meaning that we were able to apply antialiasing without much of a performance hit. We were able to play the game at 1920x1200 with 2xAA 16xHQ AF and maximum in-game details, including HDR bloom. The Radeon X1900XTX was able to maintain a smooth frame rate with performance adaptive antialiasing applied too. Sapphire's X1900XTX gave a relatively unparalleled gaming experience in Age of Empires III in all honesty - the image quality was damn good.

Let's see, you can get X1900 XT/XTX CHEAPER in the UK right now from OC UK and USA (see sig) than a 7900 GTX, availability is higher everywhere and you won't get the eye poking needle AF with ATi cards. Seems like a slam dunk win for ATi.
post #9 of 22
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Does ATI work out all right with the nForce4 chipset? I've rumors about issues.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by 1COOLPC
Does ATI work out all right with the nForce4 chipset? I've rumors about issues.

I have a DFI SLI nforce 4 motherboard and it works great. BTW I'm an ex-7800 GTX owner so I can say with experience that the ATi cards AF quality is leaps and bounds better and that screenshots don't tell the full story; you can't see texture shimmering/moire effects in screenshots like you can in motion. In games like EQ2/WoW/BF2 there's a night and day difference between ATi and nV AF with ATi being much better.
post #11 of 22
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OK, after reading that review I'm pretty sold on the ATI. Most likely that will be the route I go.
post #12 of 22
Get nvidia The 7*** series are very good Ati with its x1800 sucks and so does the x1900 .... Nvida all the way ALWAYS!!!!
post #13 of 22
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Speed is, of course, very important but that being equal image quality is what matters most to me. I miss the beauty of my old ATI.
post #14 of 22
There both top of the line GPU's. The only responses you're going to get saying one of them is bad are from fanboys.

You should be thuroughly happy with either.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by mr. roboto
There both top of the line GPU's. The only responses you're going to get saying one of them is bad are from fanboys.

You should be thuroughly happy with either.
I totally agree and am not in either camp. Looking at side by side shots it does appear that the ATI has a more attractive image by a little which is the deciding factor for me. Plus I remember that I was disappointed in image quality when I went from my 9700 Pro to the FX5900 and I was never totally pleased with my FX card because of it. Maybe it's time to give ATI a shot again.
post #16 of 22
I changed my mind. Definitely get the X1900XTX, & here's why:



1900XTX or 7900GTX at Xtreme Systems

Heavy games like Oblivion, Alan Wake, UT2007, etc, will arrive and really abuse the graphics cards. ATI's excess shader power and highly efficient memory utilisation via the programmable memory controller will stretch the gap and show that the ATI architecture has more legs on it. Nvidia being able to ship cheaper chips won't help if this is the kind of performance advantage that ATI can point at in the latest AAA flagship titles.
post #17 of 22
i thought the 9700 was better then the 5900, i have a 5600 and its a piece of crap but, i am getting an alienware aurora 7500 with a 7900gtx 512 mb
post #18 of 22
are you really? u talk about buying like 8 systems omfg.

karma: definitely right about that. the shear number of pipes and chip design outclass'd nvidia this round. I find myself torn at this stage in the game between crossfire X1900XTX's and quad sli.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by chode messiah
are you really? u talk about buying like 8 systems omfg.

karma: definitely right about that. the shear number of pipes and chip design outclass'd nvidia this round. I find myself torn at this stage in the game between crossfire X1900XTX's and quad sli.
I hope you have a 800+ Watt PSU for quad SLI O_O.

crossfire xtxs imo are the better choice, but then again, quad SLI could be outrageously hott.


IMO Nvidia is genius. How can we make more money? Make people buy TWO of our product! Oh wait, no, lets have them buy FOUR!

Yeah you get extra performance out of it... but its totally a gimmick. I cannot imagine quad SLI will be efficient enough to warrent four times the cost (IE: You wont get 4x the performance)

Then again, if you're going all out, why not?
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by ZGold550
I hope you have a 800+ Watt PSU for quad SLI O_O.

crossfire xtxs imo are the better choice, but then again, quad SLI could be outrageously hott.


IMO Nvidia is genius. How can we make more money? Make people buy TWO of our product! Oh wait, no, lets have them buy FOUR!

Yeah you get extra performance out of it... but its totally a gimmick. I cannot imagine quad SLI will be efficient enough to warrent four times the cost (IE: You wont get 4x the performance)

Then again, if you're going all out, why not?
it is more suited for cad work at this point, but think about driving multiple 30"monitors smoothly at high settings?
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