Solution for dead pixels ? - Page 3  

It is upsetting

It still is a bad thing you know - them dead pixels...

Unless major changes occur to manufacturing processes and technology I dont think things will change.

Aaargh!!!

IF ONLY ALL DEAD PIXELS STAYED BLACK!!

THEN SOMEONE WOULD COMPLAIN THAT THEY SHOWED UP AGAINST A BLACK BACKGROUND

Would sir prefer brown? or would magenta be more fitting? eh!?

Re: It is upsetting

Haha, funny and sad and true.
You know though, when people accept things the way they are, there is no incentive to change them. If every single person who ever got stuck pixels sent their machine back for the money back guarantee, then I think that would be incentive to them, and in turn, to the LCD manufacturers, to improve the processes by which these are made. Demand drives the market. If you demand less, you GET less. That's a fact of life.

It's really not so unlike if everyone you worked with demanded less money for work. How long do you think your employer would continue to pay you more? This sort of thing is always set by the people willing to accept less. That's the only reason I've been posting here, I don't mean to whip a dead horse or argue with you guys. I think as consumers we ought to demand the best when we pay for it. And if any of us accept less, it hurts us all.

True

Absolutely true. No doubt about it.

I am sure they are doing their best to improve technology because for sure no one wants to gift you a dead pixel you know. And I think it is simply impossible to guarantee this - its just a quirk of physics that the little blob of silicon in your screen didnt wanna light up

Aargh!! you know what GO CRT's!!!

I know you dont feel any better vex - try the off the shelf option dude - this is possibly the only way to eliminate luck and other undesirable variables from this realm of chaos

Good luck mate!

Re: True

Here, Peace and Quiet.

Cheers.

I must disagree. Why on earth would anyone want a laptop WITHOUT dead pixels?

There are plenty of computers out there with so called "perfect" screens. Totally black. Dull. Unimaginative. All looking the same.

Whereas yours is unique! There is probably no other laptop in the world with a dead pixel in the same place and same color as yours. It's a little birth mark, an endearing reminder of the close man-machine bond you share. Dead pixels aren't "dead". They are little fountains of energy! They love life so much they don't ever want to switch off! They inspire us! Other people may comment on the size of the computer memory, the graphics card or the hard disk space. But only you can fully appreciate that little blue/red/green (delete as applicable) grain of joy!

I say : "celebrate the dead pixel! We don't want a perfectly black screen! We don't want to conform! We want imperfection and uniqueness!".

In fact, so strongly do I believe in this philosophy, that I am willing to exchange my unique and beautiful dead pixelled screen for a dull lifeless non-dead pixelled one. That's right. I will make that sacrifice so that someone else might enjoy the benefits of owning a "unique" laptop. So, anyone with a 8887 16.1" with a boring screen should contact me immediately to arrange the exchange.

And please don't forget, dead pixels have feelings too.

Well, I must disagree too. For this "uniqueness" isn't so unique. In the year 2002 alone, according to this article:

http://cyberatlas.internet.com/big_p...459871,00.html

There were 135.5 million laptops sold. Now, let's say for the sake of simplicity that:

1) No laptops existed before that.
2) All laptops use UXGA.

So, even taking my generous assumptions into account, like the fact that UXGA has a -ton- of pixels, let's move on to the calculations:

1600 x 1200 = 1920000.
1 / 1920000 = 5.2083e-7
135,500,000 * 5.2083e-7 = 70.572916 = 70.

This means that if every laptop came with a dead pixel, 70 PER YEAR would come with said pixel dead. However, this isn't the case, so let's say 1 in 10 laptops come with a dead pixel. Well, toodooloo, there are 7 other laptops like yours. Boo hoo...

Hehehe. Cheers.

Would those 7 "dead" pixels be the same colour? Or the same size? Or sparkle in the same way?? Would they? Well??

I think you're trying to bamboozle this issue with pie in the sky cloud maths.





:-)

You're right! I didn't mean it!

They're not the same... they are unique and wonderfully diverse!


Hehehe. Cheers.

Hey new consideration, Custom dead/stuck pixels, say you are allowed to order a chameleon pixel or a gold pixel to be unique Id gladly pay an extra premium for uniqueness in that way














Ok so i might pay an extra .0000010 for that but still noticeable dead/stuck pixels arent that common, probaly most people have 1 or 2 but just dont really notice them cause they dont just right out at them.. want no dead pixels maybe you need to start carrying a crt around with you and i think that would get old very very quick

Here he is!!!

Okay, here is a pic of my "little guy." His name is Spot and he was born sometime at the beginning of February.



He may not look like much because this is actually a picture from my camcorder and the resolution isn't the greatest but trust me, he's very easy to see. In fact, he's winking at me right now!

!EDIT!

Okay, I just borrowed a friend's digital camera and zoomed in on "Spot" and you won't believe what I saw! Here's a pic:

You're just being silly now.

So are dead pixels easier to see at low resolutions or high resolutions? I figure I'll check my screen (though I haven't noticed any yet)

EDIT: Of course, since I haven't noticed it obviously means it's not that bad. And I'm sure once I have found one it'll be practically all I can see on the screen......

"After five years, you know what I've realized? Ignorance is bliss"
Cipher, The Matrix

Low res

easier to find at low res but it has a lot to do with placement.

I am goin around parading the fact that I have a flawless screen and you know what - I havent even looked thoroughly - I wont though - if there is a little clever pixel who likes to be different, somewhere on my screen - I'll leave him be

cipher is right!!

Actually, that isn't entirely accurate. On an LCD, the dead/stuck pixels will only be more apparent on lower NATIVE resolutions. If you have a UXGA screen, changing the resolution won't change the dead pixel's size.

a good question would be "what does sager do with the returned laptops from dead pixels?" If they rebox them then chances of luck are a joke!
-edit-
so there is a way to cherry pick laptops!??? I'm sure it happens and I'd like to see the number of returns sager does each month and see if people are really getting a fresh chance without the bother of having to return the laptop. Not trying to put sager down because it may not be true, but it's good to talk about it and make aware what people might be getting into. I'm planning to give sager a shot, but I do not want to return mine more than once for dead pixels and this should'nt be a problem...if the odds are in my favor. Maybe I'm making a mistake and should just go local to see the screen before I buy because it's very important to me get a perfect screen. I like the different opinions on this forum so feel free to examine mine.

Nothing beats seeing it before you buy it

I wonder if Sager has a store where people can walk in and buy their laptops...

But its a good point - what do they do with the returned laptops? Do they replace your screen with a good one and send it back to you...in my opinion this is a very grey area which no one has brought up so far...

Personally I am sure someone is getting the returned goods or at least parts from it that are functioning properly. I dont think Sager'll just rebox it and send it out to the next poor soul...

And I also know that asking them directly is not gonna provide any answers because no company is very forthcoming with such details.

RAVEN : thats where you come into the picture. You have to choose between a rather 'low spec' or expensive laptop that you can get off the shelf - but it will have a perfect screen. (or) you can order a Sager online and trust in god.

Honestly there arent too many screens with dead pixels out there and there is no reason why you WILL get one - I didnt and I am happy - I have the option to go in for the new screen but I dont trust my luck for a second time.

Flat Note - I will buy again from Sager ONLINE whenever the need arises (which may occur in the next month or so )

So there...

What I don't really understand is why can't LCD manufacturers just send actually flawless screens? Their overhead is actually extremely low, the entire manufacturing process for an LCD costs less than $20. They could easily screen them and send out only the good ones without dead pixels. The dead ones they could simply recycle and try again. The LCD manufacturers are already making a killing on LCD screens, considering they charge the consumer about 10x the price they need to make a screen, and that their market share has been booming in recent years. They should really be the ones picking up the slack and sending out only flawless screens to consumers.

What happened to mine...

Well after speaking to Sager, they said sorry, even though there's a big bright one in the middle of the screen, they "couldn't find one better" (direct quote from a tech guy) so they were going to rely on the 5 pixel limit policy.

So, one of you lucky people might get mine. I returned it for money back. I'll buy a new one. Who knows, maybe I'll get mine back. Wouldn't that be great.

You can bet that that they'll repackage it and send it right back out. Why wouldn't they? They don't consider it to be "defective".

Vex, don't hate me for pointing this out, but I was curious, how much money did you lose for the return? I guess they think that somebody will just suck it up and live with 4 dead pixels...ha, what a crock of *. Well I'm glad they atleast have a refund policy cause I would'nt even consider buying then. I saw that they give you a 100% refund, but take out shipping and opened software and charge a 5% restocking fee so on $3,000 that might equal $150+( I hope I'm wrong) and if you was to have your laptop colored you have a restocking fee of 20%...ouch! That would be $600+!!! I sure hope this not true about the refund policy cause I not going to give my money and be told to suck it up and live with it. Please tell me what happens!! Like I was saying earier, I just might consider for peace of mind offering $150 for someone who got a perfect laptop. Hope things work out for you.

The policy is 100% money back - (2 1/2% + shipping). So, I paid for 2nd day air, + about $21 to ship the thing back to sager. All told the shipping lost is about $100.

Frankly, I'd pay $150 too. Afterall I'm already paying that, and I have *nothing* to show for it.

I will go through PC Torque again though to buy the next one, though now unfortunately I have to wait almost 2 weeks for the 60 gig 5400 rpm drives to be back in stock, plus another 1 1/2 weeks for it to be shipped to me (I live in California). Fun, huh?

Still, I highly recommend PC Torque, Adam is the coolest guy to deal with, he really goes out of his way to do everything in his power to make sure the customer is happy. He has no control over Sager's policies.