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post #1 of 32
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Follow the link. Overall score was 2604, follow the link for a breakdown:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1963610
post #2 of 32
Let the tweaking begin!

Switch your 3D profiles to fastest and see if that improves your score. Also I think there's more room in your video card for speed.

Mine's running at 390/230 and came stock at 350/210. There's no reason why the G1's m10 won't do as well.

With all the tweaks I scored 2830
post #3 of 32
Here's my straight out of box score... just ran it..
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1964124
3DMark Score 2556 3DMarks

CPU Score 311.0 CPUMarks
post #4 of 32
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We're pretty close Kindser

Looks like our G1's are right about where we expect them today relatively speaking anyway. 3dmarks are quite competitive with most I've seen out here. Only thing I wonder about is the CPU scores. They seem to be quite less than many notebooks I've seen. Anyone have a theory about that? And please be nice. Piece of ****, they saw you coming, etc., is not progressive feedback.
post #5 of 32
Yeah they are very close.. I guess the diff. in RAM doesn't do anything? Strange..
Check out this link for the Areal 51's.. They say they should be getting at least 3000.
Hmm?
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=10949
post #6 of 32
Most of the people breaking into the 3000's have tweaked and/or overclocked their video subsystem.

I think that your scores are quite respectable representative of the technology available now. In other words...

Good stuff! I'm looking forward to getting my laptop!
post #7 of 32
hmmm... shouldn't the G1s be whoopin' the F2s though? being billed as a gaming rig and all... With a complete stock setup, On 3dmark 2k3, I get 2609 on my f2?!? pm 1.6/1gig333/R9600-64
post #8 of 32
Yeah that's what i thought devast? Makes me want to return my G1 for a F2!
I'm also having a tough time swallowing the 1hour 10min. battery life, and the weight of this notebook.
I'm really considering switching this out for a gateway 505, dell 8600 or the F2.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks,
ks
post #9 of 32
How come dashby's getting 3 hours on his batt? Did you try setting your brightness lower and put the power profile on portable? Doing so windows will clock your CPU lower but give you more batt life.

I am surprised that the p4 2.8HT w/128mb M10 isn't beating F2. Considering the higher memory speed too...

Keep in mind that 3dmark runs at XGA. Which proved several people's theory that at XGA resolution you really don't need more than 64mb. Perhaps if you run the bench at SXGA then the G1 will show its muscle.
post #10 of 32
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I'm really considering switching this out for a gateway 505, dell 8600 or the F2. What are your thoughts?
505-> nice machine but tops out at a pm1.5 w/512ram
8600-> can configure to be the most powerful of the 3, but will be the most $$$, too heavy/ugly for my taste
f2-> of course I think this is the best, cuz I have one. but speakers suck & wireless button doesn't work w/802.11g card. Lightest of the pack tho... search for my review on this site.

IMHO, After using my friends 505, widescreens make no sense aside for movies. If gamings your bag, sxga+ on a 15" or uxga on a 16" might be preferable, don't really know why'd they'd bill a widescreen laptop as a gaming laptop when the majority of games will either get distorted or boxed w/borders.

If $$$ is no object, maybe check out a HP nc8000, or a IBM r50p


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Perhaps if you run the bench at SXGA then the G1 will show its muscle.
Not sure if there is any reason to bench higher than xga if they only have wxga screens. Unless they plug into an external monitor just to game, but if they plug into an external tv to play, then xga rez is already more than enough. Maybe the 9600/128m may help aliasing/anisotropic options?
post #11 of 32
Thread Starter 

really need to clear this up

No offense, but I don't know who in the world decided that wide-screens would distort, or box-in games. Nothing could be farther from the truth. If you go out and look and my G1 review link you can see for yourself. Madden 2004 and CoD use every pixel of the screen and have superb graphics.

You can say whatever you want about the WXGA's, but don't say they don't do games, because I'm here to tell ya they do!
post #12 of 32
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and one more thing

I ran Aqua 3D today and got 23 framerate. Don't know if that sucks also (like everything else about the G1 evidentally), but there you have it.

I will say one thing..if anyone wants to sell their Mayhem G1 (if not under return warranty) get with me.
post #13 of 32
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and a second thing

If you go look at the compare on Futuresoft between the F2 and G1..the G1 slaps the F2 around pretty good in most 3D tests. Again, not trying to create controversy..just getting a lil touchy about the dissin of the Mayhem. The only point I have seen positive proof on are 1.) the F2 is a little lighter 2.)the battery life is probably 20% better.

All the comparisons about SXGA+ and WXGA..M-class and Pentium-class..etc..etc..is like comparing apples and oranges. You can slant any argument into your favor. Bottom line is..ABS has been marketing PC's for a long time..they said the G1 was their #1 gaming box..that is enuf for me.

BTW..I think the F2 is dandy also, but for whatever reason it pops up into every thread involving the G1 and seems to often be the brunt of the dissing. They are 2 significantly different boxes that just happen to be sold by the same company.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by dashby
You can say whatever you want about the WXGA's, but don't say they don't do games, because I'm here to tell ya they do!
Dashby, it's been said many times by people who have 4:3 ratio screens vs. people with 16:9, SOME GAMES WORK BUT NOT ALL.

The truth of the matter is, the games you have worked flawlessly, but do check out a game called WarCraft III. It's a popular strategy game, although old, but fun. It does not make use of the WXGA.

You realize that your 2 games worked doesn't mean WXGA is meant for games, and of course vice versa. It depends on which game you play.

Note Devast said that SXGA+ "might" be better for games. He said that with implication of subjectivity.

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/phpBB2/

Visit this place and you will see, there are a list of games that work and won't work with WXGA.

Sometime in the future widescreen is going to be the way, but I personally don't think it's ready for prime time yet.

Having that said, have you tried overclocking your video subsystem yet? You might need to defrag your machine because the G1 shouldn't be scoring less than a F2, or Dell, or Gateway... Make sure you leave the power profile on "always on" that way your CPU doesn't clock down. Also make sure you have your laptop plugged in. Close all the background programs etc...

With your specs you should be in the 3000s range no problem.
post #15 of 32
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Originally Posted by dashby
I ran Aqua 3D today and got 23 framerate. Don't know if that sucks also (like everything else about the G1 evidentally), but there you have it.

I will say one thing..if anyone wants to sell their Mayhem G1 (if not under return warranty) get with me.
No need to pout or be sarcastic about your own purchase decision. We are not here to make you feel bad.

And it's not surprising that people are confused about the G1 and F2. People want the power of G1 with battery life of F2 and lightweight. Humans are greedy by nature. Hence the decision making process and post purchase rationalization.

If people just know what they want in the beginning then you wouldn't have this problem.

Hmm do I want a blond or brunett?
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by dashby
If you go look at the compare on Futuresoft between the F2 and G1..the G1 slaps the F2 around pretty good in most 3D tests. Again, not trying to create controversy..just getting a lil touchy about the dissin of the Mayhem. The only point I have seen positive proof on are 1.) the F2 is a little lighter 2.)the battery life is probably 20% better.
1. 7.85 vs 6 lbs = 30.83% difference

2. I have been able to get around 4 hours vs. Kindser's 80 minutes. 240 minutes vs 80 minutes = 300%

And the G1 should slap the F2 in 3D. The F2 is not built for games (although it part times it well). There is definitely something wrong with your config. You should be scoring a lot higher than 2500. Try updating your drivers too, that usually helps.

If the G1 isn't slapping the F2 there's a problem. It's like Tiger Woods hitting a 100 yd drive on a #1 wood.

I don't personally like the Omega drivers, as I prefer the ATI drivers instead.
post #17 of 32
Hey Guys, (Mayhem G1. 3.0, 1gig, 7200hd)
Here's my latest 3d Mark03... Installed the new CAT4.1 drivers and saw a major CPU increase. Very little change in 3DMark Score..

3DMark Score went from 2556 to 2641
CPU Score went from 311.0 to 504.0 CPUMarks????
WEIRD?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1970314

Also tried upping video card speed w/ PwrStrp, but display got really buggy w/ very little change? I tried to bump it up to 300 and 250.. No go.. May try again with XsternMinator's settings...
post #18 of 32
I recommend ATITool. You can download it from 3Dguru I think, just google for it.

It even has an auto overclocking feature. So you'd know where your max is!

The max was actually 412/240. I clocked the card at 390/230 so I have buffer room just in case something goes wrong.

I think you have some more tweaking to do. Alienwares are scoring pretty close to 3000 and the G1's specs should have no problem matching them.

Have you tried setting your driver's 3d settings on "fastest"? That also helps a little bit.
post #19 of 32
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question for xstern

Why do you personally believe ABS is billing the Mayhem G1 as their "gaming" machine and the F2 as a productivity system and selling it for $100 less? Do you think this company really doesn't understand computers/marketing as well as yourself? Maybe you think it's some sort of plot/scam on ABS's part to defraud the buyers? They probably just don't understand the evolution of gaming technology as well as yourself. Do you really know much about WXGA technology..outside of what you read and can recite obviously? Do you really get 4 hours of battery life on the F2 under stress (believe Kindser was watching DVD's for 72 minutes). So, if you're gonna throw out numbers like 300% better you should compare apples to apples.

I'm really not trying to attack your opinion here. I'm trying to help ppl make rational decisions on what notebooks to buy based on my own personal experience, by giving true-experience feedback. Hell, I know the G1 prob ain't the best out here. But, I really don't think you are doing ppl like Kindser (and a lot of other ppl looking to buy or those that have bought and are doubting their purchase) justice by sometimes (and you are in the habit of doing this occasionally) writing generalities based on what you've read ( written by possibly other biased folks). If it was up to you (this is just how I perceive your remarks) he would be sending his G1 right back to ABS and getting a F2 or Gateway 505 that probably wouldn't give him one more bit of satisfaction. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't end up a crippled/hunchback'd old man from carrying the extra 24 oz. (that's just 2 cans of Budweiser btw) of notebook around all day, but his gaming experience would not be expanded in the least (that was my first opinion).

I'm trying to keep my review to what I know..the system I'm typing said reviews on.

For example..here is my opinion of the G1 graphics..ready? "This is the first WXGA monitor I've played Madden 2004 or CoD on. Previously I played these on a 19" desktop monitor using Radeon 9000 technology. Madden 2004 seems to me like it was made to be played on a widescreen. It's sort of like watching a football game (how's that for an analogy?) on a widescreen. Just appears better to the eyes. The same can be said for Call of Duty. Did you ever watch a good war movie (Private Ryan, Thin Red Line, Platoon, etc.) at a theatre on a wide-screen? The reproduction on this notebook is a quite similar experience. I appreciate this look so much I've not played these games on my 19" desktop since and will not as long as I have this notebook."

So, you sort of see my objectivity. I'm not saying I've seen other forums where ppl say WXGA's/SXGA's/etc are limited as to what games they can play in native mode. I'm stating something I've experienced.

As far as benchmarks go and the fact I should be getting a 3000+ on benchmarks is just an unfathomable remark. First of all to make that sort of statement you need to understand how the software works. I don't think any of us out here really understand exactly how to make the numbers tumble upwards in 3D tests. Sounds like over-clocking will surely do it (again, however, I haven't personally tried this so can't say for sure). I've yet to see a review myself (opinion) where any notebook has topped 3000 right out of the box. I'm sure I could tweak mine and get it up there, but there is no justification for me to do it. All the software I use (afore mentioned games, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Explorer) run just right for me. Why would I want to risk damage to my nice new system by overclocking it just to produce some inflated numbers that have no substance to anyone?

And one last thing since I'm on a roll here. Is there some sort of Warcraft III brotherhood on this forum? PPl keep mentioning this game as if it were sacred. It's a game that can be played well on a PII with an 8mg video card. It's so old who really cares how it plays on a widescreen. That's like suggesting, "I think the jury is still out on WXGA because it won't play Ultima I or Duke Nukem in full-screen mode". And what if you have an older game that doesn't do wide-screen, but newer games look much better. Do you sacrifice the better experience with the new stuff just so you can play the old? The reason I say better, is movies/sporting events/etc have always been delivered on wide-screens when possible (it's a proven fact, ppl enjoy a panoramic viewing experience)..why then do you think a computer game is not better served with this technology? 'spose it's a personal opinion.
Ok, I'm done..yer turn.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by XSternMinator
...I don't personally like the Omega drivers, as I prefer the ATI drivers instead.
I just came to that same conclusion.
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