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post #241 of 622
People step back, take a deep breath, put your dicks back in your pants and start thinking with your other head.

Dell bought Alienware. The deal is DONE. As both parties have stated, both companies will remain and operate separately.

This, as can be seen, is the purchase by Dell of a "halo" company. It's a value-add for Dell as they get the "l33t" effect they've not found with their XPS line. It's something to drive business.

Despite the doom-and -gloom merchants spouting off unsubstantiated "facts" left right and centre, we will not see AW support moved to India, Sri Lanka, Timbuktu or Nepal, neither will we see proprietary Dell components in AW systems. I'll bet £100 on it not happening. We will not see second-rate h/w in AW machines...it would devalue the product. Dell won't devalue what they have worked so hard to achieve.

Dell will not dilute a brand with AW's rep by raping the product for short-term gain. That will devalue what the long-term benefits that drove their purchase of the brand in the first place.

Dell are not going to adopt AW's business model neither will AW adopt Dell's business model...that would be the quickest path to financial ruin for both parties concerned.

It is apparent from both parties that each will bring their own strengths to the party. Dell's experience and bargaining clout allied with AW's expertise can only be good for us in the long-term.

Sure, I am disappointed that AW have sold...I would not be an AW fanboy if I wasn't. I am bitterly disappointed about what has transpired, but the writing was on the wall. I think AW had gone as far as it could go operating their business model as it was. There was no expansion possibilities..no possible new growth. They had reached saturation point...what else could they have done? Sell out completely and see their hard work wasted? Or, sell out and protect the company's core competencies, beliefs, structure and ethos...and I think that it was they have done, and successfully at that.

We need to acknowledge that what's done has been done in the best interests of the brand. Nelson and Alex worked their asses off to put AW in the position it is in today. Whatever success the brand has achieved is due to their hard work and our long-time support. Let us acknowledge their work and maintain our loyalties to our Alienware brand. Give this thing a chance...after all, it could have been worse.

Remember the wise words of Steven Wright:

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate."
post #242 of 622
Well said.
post #243 of 622
Thenk yew
post #244 of 622
Since AW will remain seperate I think everyone will be okay, but as a number of people posted earlier, saying "I have an Alienware" just won't be the same anymore.... Anyone know if our warranties will be affected? I'm guessing not, but I just wondered.
post #245 of 622
Not to be an asshat...

But I do find it strange that regular users of these forums do not know of the rabid antipathy that exists between Dell and AW. We have been told by mods not to go there and they have been told...we have heeded the warning, I cannot say the same for Dellboys; by and large you will find that more members of the Dell forum have been banned for inmflammatory posts here that the reverse...in fact I cannot off-hand think of one AW regular who has been banned because they trolled in Dell forums. I could be wrong, mods would be able to correct me if I am.
post #246 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by redphyve
Dell bought Alienware. The deal is DONE. As both parties have stated, both companies will remain and operate separately.
Red, and all others, I just want to address the bolded part of what you said.

I agree with you that people are freaking out, I am also freaking out but in a quieter way. The problem is that Alienware will remain a separate entity only as long as Dell wants it to. At some point, and I hope I a wrong, Dell may take over Alienware operations.

I, as I'm sure others, have been through company acquisitions. I used to work for a company called Modicon. A long time ago they created the programmable controller. Well over the years they grew and they merged with a company called Gould, they were knows as Gould/Modicon for many years and they were a strong force in the P.C. industry. Well after a while they were eventually bought by AEG and for a couple of years they were AEG/Modicon, another few years and they were bought by Schneider Electric. Well this is where the scary part comes in....Schneider Electric also made programmable controllers. We were told that Modicon P.Cs and Schneider P.Cs would compliment each other and it would open a huge market for us in Europe. Well guess what....Modicon is now closed and Schneider Electric owns the name so they brand their programmable controllers with the Modicon badge to sell under the Modicon name.

I have to think that in a few years your going to be seeing computers from "Alienware" and the only resemblance to todays Alienware will be the Alien head on it.

Man I hope I'm wrong.

-Mark
post #247 of 622
I wonder if this means we will now finally get some color choices on cases, wonder if AW was waiting for some reason...
post #248 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by EVIL-SCOTSMAN
I find it hard to believe that if you in particular, are an active part of the dell forum, that you have not "heard" or been told to stay clear of AW forums.

As the majority of us AW people all know about it, and we dont visit the dell forums, so if we know about it, and "if you visit" it on a regular basis, then I do find it hard to believe you have not heard about dell people being told to stay away from AW forums....
Not sure if your post is directed at me, but am guessing so. I am not active in the Dell forums, and do not visit there regularly at all.

Occasionally, I have seen posts directing a particular individual to stay clear of a given forum, but never anything so general as a group of regular visitors of one forum being told to stay away from another forum. Again, if a mod thinks I've posted something out of line and tells me to leave, I'll do so, but it has not happened to date. Until then, I'll post as I explained above.
post #249 of 622
Quote:
The problem is that Alienware will remain a separate entity only as long as Dell wants it to. At some point, and I hope I a wrong, Dell may take over Alienware operations.
That is what concerns me as well, though "unconfirmed and unofficial contacts"...read into that what you want...have said that it won't happen as that possibility was protected against.

And on another note:

HammerHead, I would appreciate your take on this.
post #250 of 622
EVIL-SCOTSMAN: so, um, we have to be 'affiliated' with a particular manufacturer in order to be able to read an contribute to a discussion of an issue ?

Wow, wish I'd known that when I signed up for NBF, there was nothing in the small print that said 'You must choose your manufacturer and stick with it forever'!

it's like bmwrob said, those of us who aren't here to cause trouble or upset people are interested, and want to contribute, which would hopefully benefit us all right?

I really do think that as they will operate seperately, chance are that this will make very little difference to AW, only time will tell if they change.

IMO they will just have more money for R & D and perhaps improved supply chain/logistics etc - surely Dell wouldn't spend that kind of money in order to destroy a brand, it would be to gain the expertise and the cash in the long term...

Of course, it is true that the cachet of AW being a small niche supplier has gone, but the machines will still be fantastic I reckon...and as for Dell, maybe in the long term they'll give up on the XPS line to concentrate on their office/mainstream market?
post #251 of 622
LOL

Deadstone, the posts were deleted....lolol
post #252 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by redphyve
LOL

Deadstone, the posts were deleted....lolol
second time I had to edit that post to make it accurate
post #253 of 622
Well another permaban...nice way to start the day.

Let's make something else clear. NBF is a community. Anyone is allowed (unless they've already been told otherwise due to past behavor) to take part in any community on the boards. Just because someone owns a dell doesn't mean they cannot come into the AW baords and make a post. And vice versa...its using your wits and making educated and polite posts that are required.

Other than the one asshat (who won't be around to bother us anymore) this has generally been on track and civil...let's keep it that way. Thanks
post #254 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by redphyve
People step back, take a deep breath, put your dicks back in your pants and start thinking with your other head.

Dell bought Alienware. The deal is DONE. As both parties have stated, both companies will remain and operate separately.

This, as can be seen, is the purchase by Dell of a "halo" company. It's a value-add for Dell as they get the "l33t" effect they've not found with their XPS line. It's something to drive business.

Despite the doom-and -gloom merchants spouting off unsubstantiated "facts" left right and centre, we will not see AW support moved to India, Sri Lanka, Timbuktu or Nepal, neither will we see proprietary Dell components in AW systems. I'll bet £100 on it not happening. We will not see second-rate h/w in AW machines...it would devalue the product. Dell won't devalue what they have worked so hard to achieve.

Dell will not dilute a brand with AW's rep by raping the product for short-term gain. That will devalue what the long-term benefits that drove their purchase of the brand in the first place.

Dell are not going to adopt AW's business model neither will AW adopt Dell's business model...that would be the quickest path to financial ruin for both parties concerned.

It is apparent from both parties that each will bring their own strengths to the party. Dell's experience and bargaining clout allied with AW's expertise can only be good for us in the long-term.

Sure, I am disappointed that AW have sold...I would not be an AW fanboy if I wasn't. I am bitterly disappointed about what has transpired, but the writing was on the wall. I think AW had gone as far as it could go operating their business model as it was. There was no expansion possibilities..no possible new growth. They had reached saturation point...what else could they have done? Sell out completely and see their hard work wasted? Or, sell out and protect the company's core competencies, beliefs, structure and ethos...and I think that it was they have done, and successfully at that.

We need to acknowledge that what's done has been done in the best interests of the brand. Nelson and Alex worked their asses off to put AW in the position it is in today. Whatever success the brand has achieved is due to their hard work and our long-time support. Let us acknowledge their work and maintain our loyalties to our Alienware brand. Give this thing a chance...after all, it could have been worse.

Remember the wise words of Steven Wright:

"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate."


I am sorry Red but I see gloom on the horizon. I mean I saw HH the other day wearing a Dell-branded turbon he bought from the Aliengear shop.
post #255 of 622
Most people must have heard the term 'global market'. How companies must find a way to survive in a 'global market'. There was already an Alienware launch into this market before the term was daily news. We have many people in these forums now that have joined the AW community because of this first launch into markets outside of the US. It was an overwhelming task and its was a success because of the forward thinking of Alienware. We have friends here from England, Germany, Russia, Australia, from around the World. Something like that doesnt fall apart overnight. A Dell/Alienware merger will continues the success of the Alienware Invasion and maintain the Alienware Community. It does not create Dellianware. There is no Alienware joke in this. If anyone wants an Alienware, it is still going to be a bad ass system, built by the same people that built mine before any of this happened. It is still an Alienware.

What we need is a quick resolution of the Alienware forum access for the International Alienware Community. We need the Official forums to catch up to the Invasion that created this group. There is a joke on some people here, but its not Alienware owners.
post #256 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by redphyve

HammerHead, I would appreciate your take on this.
I'll bet Hammer is in the corner wisely biting his tongue.
post #257 of 622
Guys,

This is just a partnership, Alienware will still be operating as a separate company, meaning they will still have the same lead time, pricing, quality, etc. This just make Dell look better.
post #258 of 622
Don't believe that, it's not his style. Hammer will set back, let things calm down and I bet you...he will post a worthy article.


Hammer will post when he's good and ready...
post #259 of 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by redphyve
Don't believe that, it's not his style. Hammer will set back, let things calm down and I bet you...he will post a worthy article.

Hammer will post when he's good and ready...
My money's on him not being all in favour
post #260 of 622
Wouldn't it be great if this allows Dell to get around their Intel Exclusive cpu issues, and start building PC's and lappies with AMD 64's ...

Of course, Intels Merom chipset will certainly be a big step forward (no question about it), but I'm hoping that Dell will benefit from not having to rely on just Intel...

After all, they can now say to Intel:

"hey, our bad, but our high-end gaming subsidiary AlienWare (affectionaltely known to everyone as 'Ay-Dubbya') bought too many AMD 64's because of the floating point error in an Intel processor, and you (Intel) failed to deliver enough, so we're shipping some machines with AMD, what's the big deal?"

we'll see ....
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