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post #21 of 48
4/3/06 at 1:23pm
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Hmm.
To fully use 64bit technology I will need to have a 64bit OS.
I am not using Linux and Windows Vista is not due to come out anytime soon.
(WIN XP 64bit I hear is a disaster )
Last word on the rumor mill is that it will be delayed to March next year.
Then probably another year for the bugs to be fixed and have the 1st SP out.

I would think that 64bit would be more mainstream around the time I will need to get a replacement for what I buy now.
Hence that is my reasoning to try and get the M570U when it comes out.

BUT

The D900K has so many options I can possibly upgrade later on.
It even has 4 RAM slots to have a max of 4GB RAM if needed for when Vista comes out.
(Vista will require you to use Double the amount of RAM you will need compared to your normal needs)
(I am originally planning to get 2GB of RAM for .. well.. U know Solitaire requires that much RAM )

I have talked to a bunch of people on the phone and in the forums so far.
For my priority of Gaming purposes to last 4 yrs, many has said the M570U should be no problem at all and I shouldn't really worry about 64bit for now.

Then of course AMD is suppose to have a 64bit Dual Core mobile chip soon and Intel should have 1 not far behind.
This may make it possible for a 64bit Dual Core version of the M570 sometime down the line.
But how long a wait would it be

I am so torn
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post #22 of 48
4/3/06 at 1:37pm
I haven't looked it up to be sure but are you certain the motherboard on the 9750 can accept and use 4g of RAM?
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post #23 of 48
4/3/06 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by boomheadshot45
well i would go with the 9750 because amd dual core kicks ass, the x1800x may be better ut i love nvidia and i would wait for the dell xps 1 1710 it will have core duo and a 7900 gtx, it comes out the secod week in april

Where did you get this information from?
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post #24 of 48
4/3/06 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by Semi75
I haven't looked it up to be sure but are you certain the motherboard on the 9750 can accept and use 4g of RAM?
I just rechked again for the RAm on the 9750.
I must have made a mistake reading the info.
The 9890 can have upto 4 slots of RAM and the 9750 only have 2 slots
Guess I confused it when I was reading and comparing laptops as the 9890 has the same chassis as the 9750.
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post #25 of 48
4/3/06 at 6:07pm
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According to a rep from istnc.com "Clevo M570U should be released around June. This is for Clevo to have more time to get rid of its M570A inventory before the M570U release."

Somehow he was also trying to convince me that the M570U will be 64bit Dual Core and not 32bit Dual Core.
Maybe he was mistaken or maybe he knew something better than us?
From what I have heard in various forums, websites and sales reps, the M570U is suppose to be a 32bit Dual Core
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post #26 of 48
4/3/06 at 7:21pm

wow, that sucks.

Well, in that case, I really don't know. Since the last M570 started shipping around October, to July means nine months ( ), and that means the next one isn't till about next May.

Maybe I'm just being too obsessive about all this; 64-bit ain't gonna make much of a difference unless you're a hardcore gamer, and I'm not. I confine myself to Wolfenstein: ET for now (great free game, by the way) .
About Vista, I'm sure it won't do much for games, and DX10... if I really need it I'll find some way to get it without Vista. 8 gigs of ram: Never. Period.
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post #27 of 48
4/3/06 at 9:46pm
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I think I am going to bite th bullet and just get teh D900K.
Will definitely alleviate my paranoia on future proofing for teh amount of time I am planning to keep this beast.
besides, I was just playing EQ2 in my work PC and fully realized how shitty my work PC is.
I just do not see myself waiting another year for a 64bit Dual Core M570.
I was about to get the D900K prior to the initial release of the M570A anyways.

The big question for me now though is this.

Considering I am planning to use this beast for around 4 years, is the additional Warranty needed or waste of money?
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post #28 of 48
4/3/06 at 10:42pm
If you are going with PCTorque or Discountlaptops then I would go with the 9750's extended warranty. $100 for a two year extension sounds like a good deal to me...........on anything else but a notebook I doubt I would buy an extended.

The 900k has one flaw though for Vista......... only capable of using 2g of RAM.
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post #29 of 48
4/3/06 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Kilim
According to a rep from istnc.com "Clevo M570U should be released around June. This is for Clevo to have more time to get rid of its M570A inventory before the M570U release."
Are u sure on this?!.. if it's true, will be really sux. anyone to confirm with Clevo/Sager?!

Thnx!!

-fullOut
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post #30 of 48
4/4/06 at 6:15pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fullOut
Are u sure on this?!.. if it's true, will be really sux. anyone to confirm with Clevo/Sager?!

Thnx!!

-fullOut
Thats what I was todl by a Rep in ISTNC.com.
He may have been wrong.
He did tell me that teh M570U is supposed to be 64bit Dual Core ....
I then got an email from his supervisor that he made a mistake and that the M570U is ONLY a 32bit Dual Core laptop and they do not know when they will have a 64bit Dual Core version.

When I asked about teh release of the M570U all he said was soon...


On a different note.
Was browsing thru some forums and soemthign else came to mind.

Is the D900K a "loud" machine as some has stated?
Is the M570A louder or quiter than the D900K?
(M570U is just the same as the M570A but Dual Core it seems)

I don't want a 'loud' laptop and would liek to avoid that if possible.
Just want a Poerful gaming Laptop that is Durable and Dependable that can last me at least 4 yrs without worries in my gaming needs.

Considering I am going to be using Windows XP as my OS (Home, Pro or Media Center, still trying to figure out which 1) I really shouldn't worry about the 64bit debate for me right?
I will need to have a 64bit OS to use the 64bit technology is what I am reading now.
Considering the rate at Windows Vista is being delayed and the time it may have the 1st Service Pack, it may be time for me to upgrade my laptop when Vista and 64bit becomes mainstream?

Because I am planning to use my Laptop for at least 4 yrs and its mostly for gaming purposes, a 32bit Dual Core machine should still be fine until my next upgrade?
Just about the time when Vista becomes more stable and 64bit 'may' become more mainstream?
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post #31 of 48
4/4/06 at 9:56pm
64bit Dual Core is simply a MUST HAVE for near future.

Who says 64bit XP is a deseaster ???? This is NOT true at all. For the 9750 there is just one single driver missing, it´s the tvtuner driver: Imagine I even got my Atheros abg minipci to work in 64bit. I´m playing Oblivion under 64bit absolutely flawlessly. System works so smooth and fast, and reliable, it´s a dream. The only problem is the lack of 64bit native software, but there are lots of nice things (f.e. 64bit xvid, vdub,7zip, fedora,d-tools) and many 32bit apps work great. I would switch 100% to 64bit if I could just get that f****** tvuner to work.
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post #32 of 48
4/4/06 at 11:55pm
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Hmm
I just saw this current review of the Windows XP Pro x64 OS.
http://www.winxpcentral.com/windowsxp/winxp64first.php

You guys are going to make me chaneg my mind again
Ahhhhh!
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post #33 of 48
4/5/06 at 12:16am

wait...

The D900K (9890) is more portable than the M570U (dual core-5720)?

The D900K is probably the heaviest laptop there is. It weighs 14 lbs. compared to 8 lbs. for the M570. It's a small form-factor desktop, as someone else put it. It's battery life is nonexistent, even though I think it comes with an 11-cell battery. I'd only recommend it for the hardest of hardcore gamers.

So, if you want a reeealll laptop like me, since I'm considering one for school, go with the 5720. It's lighter, still powerful, and gets at least 3 hours of battery life if you carry around a spare battery .

I think that 64-bit is pretty much a gimmick that Big M is using to frighten people into buying new laptops. Have you seen the Vista requirements??? 2 gigs of RAM recommended? It's gonna suck up more battery life just running regular programs, with all the stupid eye candy. No one's brought that up. Also, I wouldn't want my games slowing down because my graphics card isn't compatible with DX10 and has to go through a filter. The G80 might not even be compatible, looking at its current specs.
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post #34 of 48
4/5/06 at 12:30am
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I feel like a yoyo going back and forth between the D900K vs the M570U.
But I guess with this big an investment I should take my time and ask as much as I can before I finalize the purchase.

Gerry_W does put a good point.
Even though I won't be moving my laptop much (Home <--> Work ) ability to move it around should be a plus
.
Besides, 32bit won't be dead before I have to replace this the M570U.

Yes I am trying to convince myself still on what to get lol /cry
There is still sometime until the M570U gets released here in the US so any and all comments/uggestions/etc are fully welcome.

I NEED all the input I can get in this decision of D900K or M570U.
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post #35 of 48
4/5/06 at 1:26am
Don't be hung up on the 64bitness, remember also the 9750 can hold two hard drives, has a 7-1 reader, and is much much faster then the 5720.

The 5720 screams though, so if the above two things aren't important, buy the 5720 and be happy. Or if you MUST have 64bitness, wait for Merom.

-Allen
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post #36 of 48
4/5/06 at 3:45am
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Originally Posted by akm3
Don't be hung up on the 64bitness, remember also the 9750 can hold two hard drives, has a 7-1 reader, and is much much faster then the 5720.

The 5720 screams though, so if the above two things aren't important, buy the 5720 and be happy. Or if you MUST have 64bitness, wait for Merom.

-Allen
Isn't Merom due to be out around the end of the year?
If that is so, the laptops using it should be out around Jan-March time frame possibly?
Waiting 1-2 months is 1 thing but waiting a year is another

I do not think I will need 2 HDD.
I was planning to get the 1 100GB 7200rpm SATA HDD.
I also do not need a 7-1 reader, the 4-1 should do me nice and if anything else, I am sure the USB and Firewire ports will more than suffice my peripherals.

Thing is, when I did a price check with the UK version of the M570U it is ONLY $267 cheaper than the D900k!
Of course we do not know if there will be any changes for the US M570U and what the real price for it here in the US.
I did a price comparison of the UK D900K and it was ONLY $100 more than the D900K here in the US w/ exact same configurations.


IF the laptop configuration I wanted WHEN the M570U is released here is ONLY $267 less than the D900K ... is it really worth it to get the M570U vs the D900K still?
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post #37 of 48
4/5/06 at 10:12am
You are going to have to decide this for yourself, you are well studied and know your facts now. There will always be the new thing around the corner and it is honestly doubtful if a laptop will last you for 4 years for gaming unless you are able to update the graphics card. A 2.5 to over 3 years is a more realistic lifespan.

I'm in a similiar boat but am trying to wait and see when the go 7900gtx will be out. There are two therioes to this honestly, buy a decent but not a top of the line system now for let's say 2k and take the money you save and upgrade again in 2 years... or buy a top of the line system now and try to make it last 3 years.

The 9750 is 12.5 lbs not 15 as another poster reported also. There are two major drawbacks to me for the 9750:

1 Only supports 2g of RAM- possible problem later with Vista-
2 The notebook cannot be easily used with a cigarette adapter

With all that in mind though I will still likely try and go with the 9750.
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post #38 of 48
4/5/06 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Gerry_W
I think that 64-bit is pretty much a gimmick that Big M is using to frighten people into buying new laptops. Have you seen the Vista requirements??? 2 gigs of RAM recommended? It's gonna suck up more battery life just running regular programs, with all the stupid eye candy. No one's brought that up. Also, I wouldn't want my games slowing down because my graphics card isn't compatible with DX10 and has to go through a filter. The G80 might not even be compatible, looking at its current specs.
A gimmick??? It's simply a solution to a problem. You can read up on it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64_bit

The reality is that 32bit apps will be fast, and 64bit apps may be faster depending on what they are doing. Servers with large amounts of memory will gain the most. Once applications are optimized for 64bit and are multi-threaded, the X2 chips will destroy their single core, 32 bit counterparts.

This is already the case in linux. Gentoo 2006 on my machine is an absolute beast.
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post #39 of 48
4/5/06 at 12:39pm
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IF I somehow changed my mind again and decide to get the D900K I am told I will need a 64bit OS to have it work at its full potential.
I hear until Windows Vista comes out, the ONLY chocies for a 64bit OS is Linux or Windows Pro x64.

Is it easy to install Windows XP Pro x64 and where can I buy it?
Does Windows Pro 64x have most of the drivers updated yet? and are they easy to get and install?
What are the Pros and Cons of using Windows XP Pro x64?


Yes, I keep changing my mind every day on teh hour on this laptop decision, but with such a big investm,ent I should take my time and discuss this until I am fully sure right?

What is changing my mind about M570U vs D900K this time is the possible price difference.
Like I showed in the Rockdirect version of the M570U and D900K is that the D900K is ONLY ~$300 more than the M570U!
I have a feeling that the US Version of the M570U will not be much a difference in price comparatively as the UK D900K is ONLY ~100 more than the US D900K.

If it was a ~1000 difference like how the M570A vs the D900K then I may choose the M570U.
But if its just a couple hundred dollars difference ONLY, may as well sacrifice portability and battery power with the most Uber laptop today ...
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post #40 of 48
4/5/06 at 1:12pm
Yeah I'm def in your boat on this issue... Keep flipping back and forth. I'm really kinda wanting to go 5720 duo just because of the noise possibility and the no cig lighter. Also I read that getting a cheaper laptop now and upgrading the gpu later is a great idea. But I don't know any cheaper laptops. Regardless I hear they both roar on 3dmarks (similar scores due to same gpu). But I dont know that the small price difference would make me wanna just get the 5720
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