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post #41 of 108
4/4/06 at 11:18pm
i can't honestly understand how a graphic card could be wrong. It is either works or doesn't work! what's with the 'bad card' thingy. I can understand faulty curcuits, but faulty curcuits don't function at all, at all I mean. I am a Computer Scientiest and I know all about the arhitecture, so don't bother bashing me (that goes to everybody). I extremely believe that something is missing in the gap, I am not sure what it is, it could be power or other conditions but anyways take care and good luck

By the way I ONLY saw one bloke who DONE with the GTX mod on his e1705 and he seem to get good 3dmark06 scores too, but ONLY one person why?

...and i think this 7800gtx thing will be outdated in a weeks or so, 7900 is on the way innit...
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post #42 of 108
4/4/06 at 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by SirBA
i can't honestly understand how a graphic card could be wrong. It is either works or doesn't work! what's with the 'bad card' thingy. I can understand faulty curcuits, but faulty curcuits don't function at all, at all I mean. I am a Computer Scientiest and I know all about the arhitecture, so don't bother bashing me (that goes to everybody). I extremely believe that something is missing in the gap, I am not sure what it is, it could be power or other conditions but anyways take care and good luck

By the way I ONLY saw one bloke who DONE with the GTX mod on his e1705 and he seem to get good 3dmark06 scores too, but ONLY one person why?

...and i think this 7800gtx thing will be outdated in a weeks or so, 7900 is on the way innit...
I had a bad ATI desktop 9600 card. the damn thing would lock up, throw a blue screen of death or spontaniously reboot or shutdown at random during only certain games. I originally thought it was a driver issue till I replaced the card and never had a problem again. I later had it tested by a tech and found out it had a fault. what it exactly was I dont remember. But glitches happen.
and the key here is the card Tachi had was a re-furbished card, thus saying to me, its had issues in the past and been repaired, possibly meaning it still has the issue.
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post #43 of 108
4/5/06 at 2:05am
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Originally Posted by SirBA
i can't honestly understand how a graphic card could be wrong. It is either works or doesn't work! what's with the 'bad card' thingy. I can understand faulty curcuits, but faulty curcuits don't function at all, at all I mean. I am a Computer Scientiest and I know all about the arhitecture, so don't bother bashing me (that goes to everybody). I extremely believe that something is missing in the gap, I am not sure what it is, it could be power or other conditions but anyways take care and good luck

By the way I ONLY saw one bloke who DONE with the GTX mod on his e1705 and he seem to get good 3dmark06 scores too, but ONLY one person why?

...and i think this 7800gtx thing will be outdated in a weeks or so, 7900 is on the way innit...
You obviously have very little experience with computers.
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post #44 of 108
4/5/06 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by JaxChris
Actually, on systems utilizing external power supplies there is a regulator on the motherboard right after the power plug that limits power flow like a circuit breaker. And this regulator is controlled by the BIOS in laptops, on MiniITX systems there is a seperate regulator that the motherboard has no control over as the motherboard gets its power from the regulator. So be careful of who you are calling a dumbass... because you are wrong.

And if the BIOS couldn't detect different wattage power bricks then why would the 9300/XPS modders get put into low power mode if they used a 90watt power brick?

You've now been upgraded to Moron in my book. Keep talking, there's plenty more ranks to achieve.

And remember, you wanted to know why it didn't work... but you didn't like the answer and decided to get pissy. If you can't accept the possibilities then don't frickin' post.
Again, no proof except what you think is the truth. I see no links. I see nothing here but your typical ranting.

The 9300/XPS modders get thrown into low power mode because the parts inside the machine, (IE the 7800GTX) is calling for power the brick doesn't have, or can produce. Has nothing to do with the BIOS.

The only thing "regulators" do is to make sure the components don't go over what their calling for. Again, has nothing to do with the motherboard BIOS itself (EEPROM). It's a seperate set of instructions.
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post #45 of 108
4/5/06 at 2:18am
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Originally Posted by Tachikoma
Again, no proof except what you think is the truth. I see no links. I see nothing here but your typical ranting.

The 9300/XPS modders get thrown into low power mode because the parts inside the machine, (IE the 7800GTX) is calling for power the brick doesn't have, or can produce. Has nothing to do with the BIOS.

The only thing "regulators" do is to make sure the components don't go over what their calling for. Again, has nothing to do with the motherboard BIOS itself (EEPROM). It's a seperate set of instructions.
Tachikoma he is part right. My 9300 if I use the 9300 bios with my 7800GTX, will not recognize my vid card correctly. In the cmos it says "unknown video card". Even though I have a 130watt brick and 9 cell battery installed the vid card always runs in low power mode. I can't get higher than mid 3000's in 3dmark05. Once I reflash the bios to XPS2 the GTX then kicks into higher power mode and I then get around 6800 in 3dmark05. This is exact same install and drivers. Only difference is between having the XPS2 bios and the 9300 standard bios. So the XPS2 bios is required to get the vid card to request the extra power from the 130w power supply. You 9400 users are lucky that your own standard bios recognizes the 7800gtx. Hope your new card works. The voltage regulators are the same on the 9300 and xps2 though.
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post #46 of 108
4/5/06 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by magbarn
Tachikoma he is part right. My 9300 if I use the 9300 bios with my 7800GTX, will not recognize my vid card correctly. In the cmos it says "unknown video card". Even though I have a 130watt brick and 9 cell battery installed the vid card always runs in low power mode. I can't get higher than mid 3000's in 3dmark05. Once I reflash the bios to XPS2 the GTX then kicks into higher power mode and I then get around 6800 in 3dmark05. This is exact same install and drivers. Only difference is between having the XPS2 bios and the 9300 standard bios. So the XPS2 bios is required to get the vid card to request the extra power from the 130w power supply. You 9400 users are lucky that your own standard bios recognizes the 7800gtx. Hope your new card works. The voltage regulators are the same on the 9300 and xps2 though.
Personally, the i9300 BIOS wasn't written as well as it should've been. There was really no reason for Dell not to include the instructions for the 6800 Ultra, at least. I can understand not having 7 series support (since it wasn't out yet, hehe). But no 6800Ultra? C'mon.

Anyways, here's how it works. With the base i9300 BIOS, it doesn't know what card is installed (6800Ultra or 7 series). It draws the basic amount of power it needs to function, hence the low power mode. The video card can't draw more from the brick because the BIOS doesn't know what instructions to give it. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to be an ass here, just explaining. So yes, I suppose in a sense it's the BIOS's fault it isn't getting propper power. But the BIOS doesn't determine what power to give what device, it acts as a "middle man," in a sense.

HOWEVER

The e1705 is completely different. It recognizes the card right off the bat. Hence, it will/should know what commands to give the card. Since it knows what commands to give the card (support for the 24 pipelines and speed of core/mem/etc) the video card "asks" for the appropriate amount of power. Now as the other user who's done the mod has stated, when he plugged in his 90w brick, it didn't work, because it couldn't give the juice the card needed. This tells us that the BIOS does know what instructions to give the card, so when the card is fully functional, it's going to "ask" for the propper amount of power it needs, hence the need for the 130w brick.

Anyways, hope that clears it up a little bit more.
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post #47 of 108
4/5/06 at 5:47am
Tachikoma is correct and just hit it in a nutshell. This bios for e1705 supports 130 an 90w and will change accordingly. But by merly plugging in thw 130w adapter does it run off 130w? No. The demand has to be there. I wouldnt be surprized at all if the new xps 1710's bios was almost identical to the e1705 hence the e1705s support for the 7800 go gtx.
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post #48 of 108
4/5/06 at 3:15pm
Tachikoma, reboot - hit F2 - under System goto Battery Info - bottom of that screen says "AC Adapter = xxx watts".

Take a picture.
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post #49 of 108
4/5/06 at 7:21pm
I took a pic and it says 130W on my 9400 with a 130W brick.

I just don't know were to host the pic.
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post #50 of 108
4/5/06 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by chrous29
I took a pic and it says 130W on my 9400 with a 130W brick.

I just don't know were to host the pic.
email it to me and I'll host on my webserver. (I couldn't take a pic of mine yet because I'm at work still)

tachikoma00@gmail.com
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post #51 of 108
4/5/06 at 10:29pm
Sorry about the late RE: I had to go before I got you reply. I have sent you the pic now.

And I got my 7800GTX witch I will install tomorrow in my 9400/e1705 ATI base system.
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post #52 of 108
4/5/06 at 10:46pm
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This is chrous29's e1705 with 130w brick. Mine is coming in a little bit...




So yeah, I think JaxChris and that makemedie fella should ctrl+alt+del IRL so we can clean the gene pool a little bit...
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post #53 of 108
4/5/06 at 10:58pm
lol, well I am sure this could have been handled more civily, but you nailed it Tachikoma. The 9400 recognizes the card in the Bio thus knows how to handle it, wheras the 9300 bios didnt, therefore had to be hacked/tricked into handling it. nuf said
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post #54 of 108
4/6/06 at 12:07am
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Originally Posted by Tachikoma
I'm a computer technician along with being a network admin for a relatively large company here in California. I've had issues with graphics cards in desktops before that were exactly the same. The card would do 2D fine but try any games, or any content that would stress the GPU/Memory and it would crash. It's a bad card.
I'm glad to say that you are one of the few arrogant folks to post on this board. I suppose that's easy to do when you aren't face to face with someone. Glad you got your answer while some were entertained by your witty insults.
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post #55 of 108
4/6/06 at 11:42pm
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Originally Posted by ktme9300
I'm glad to say that you are one of the few arrogant folks to post on this board. I suppose that's easy to do when you aren't face to face with someone. Glad you got your answer while some were entertained by your witty insults.
Wow I bet your hardcore in real life with your awesome punisher avatar
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post #56 of 108
4/7/06 at 12:58am
Well I did the mod so I have a core solo 1.66 2 gig ram 60gig 5400 RMP WUXGA and go7800GTX all went well the only thing is the post you have to remouve is kind of hard to get out thend bend the pipes a brake part of the cassing were the fins go on the left side well I hade to do it any way.

And I got 6572 3dmark05 no OC just the Xetrime drivers. 83 temp and 61 idle.

Going to bed now. Will poste more to morrow.
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post #57 of 108
4/7/06 at 1:12am
i guess i am gonna buy the 7900 go or GTX version when it comes out

purchasing the 7800 gtx will be pointless as it will be outdated soon, i think?
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post #58 of 108
4/7/06 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by SirBA
i guess i am gonna buy the 7900 go or GTX version when it comes out

purchasing the 7800 gtx will be pointless as it will be outdated soon, i think?
for what its worth, bechmarks have shown the 7800gtx still does better than the 7900.
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post #59 of 108
4/7/06 at 1:29am
ya but the 7900 is showing 512 megs of video memory vs the 7800 gtx's 256. Im sure that advantage will show up in the benchmarks soon.
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post #60 of 108
4/7/06 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by kamiraa
ya but the 7900 is showing 512 megs of video memory vs the 7800 gtx's 256. Im sure that advantage will show up in the benchmarks soon.
Highly unlikely.

The amount of RAM doesn't really mean a whole lot at this point. A GeForce 128MB 6600GT is still gonna surpass a 256MB 6600.

Likewise, I'm sure the 256MB 7800GTX will still out perform a 512MB 7900GT. Also, they usually they end up dumping slower memory on the larger memory size cards. So instead of say, 256MB 3ns memory, you end up with 512MB 5ns memory, which hampers it as well.
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