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post #61 of 87
5/3/06 at 1:11am
At this point I am not sure if most people care whether it is intel or amd, they just go for the best chip (enthusiasts). Same thing goes for ati and nvidia, as the tug of war goes back a forth, whatever is the best product out at the time of purchase is what most will buy.

I do think the next 2 years will be very interesting.
I just don't see the avg computer user really caring about this much performance, vista etc. .... I mean come on.
We are mostly computer enthusiasts who want all this stuff as it comes off the shelf. But most computer users are old grandma's who just surf the web and check email. They don't need this stuff, know about it, or really care.

Oh well, they must conform!!! lol


--Oogami
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post #62 of 87
5/3/06 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Oogami-Ichirou
At this point I am not sure if most people care whether it is intel or amd, they just go for the best chip (enthusiasts). Same thing goes for ati and nvidia, as the tug of war goes back a forth, whatever is the best product out at the time of purchase is what most will buy.

I do think the next 2 years will be very interesting.
I just don't see the avg computer user really caring about this much performance, vista etc. .... I mean come on.
We are mostly computer enthusiasts who want all this stuff as it comes off the shelf. But most computer users are old grandma's who just surf the web and check email. They don't need this stuff, know about it, or really care.

Oh well, they must conform!!! lol


--Oogami
I agree 100% with this setiment, but there's something to say for competition. When Intel's PII & PIII were competing with the K6, Intel was the only game in town. They had no competition, AMD's k6 was getting blown out of the water and Cyrix was a joke. As a result consumer processors were waaaaay overpriced. Specifically, I remember the PIII 450 and PIII 500 were insanely expensive and were not impressive chips.

Then came the Athlon and everything changed. Since the intro of the Athlon AMD and Intel have essentially engaged in a price war which has been very beneficial to the consumer. In addition, both companies raced to improve their respective technologies to outdo the other.

Just making the point that having two cpu developers competing against eachother on equal footing is the best case scenario for the consumer (which is what we have today). It hurt the graphics industry terribly when 3dfx crumbled to nvidia, and it was very fortunate that ATI stepped up to the plate with the Radeon. Without competition these companies get lazy and greedy. I'm sure AMD would do the same shady things as Intel has if they dominated their market to the extent of being a monopoly.
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post #63 of 87
5/4/06 at 5:17am
Competition drives down prices and provides better products--god I love capitalism!
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Originally Posted by Oogami-Ichirou
I just don't see the avg computer user really caring about this much performance, vista etc. .... I mean come on.
We are mostly computer enthusiasts who want all this stuff as it comes off the shelf. But most computer users are old grandma's who just surf the web and check email. They don't need this stuff, know about it, or really care.
I'm not so sure bout that.

As OS and application bloatware increases, and virus software, security patches and program updates increase loading times, and grandma has so many programs running that her computer's sys tray has more icons than an Egyptian sarcophagus, even she begins to feel like her computer is just too slow.

The average user may not understand why their computer seems to be slower, they just know they are getting tired of waiting several minutes for the darn thing to boot up and irritated because programs don't open immediately when they click on them.

The answer (in their mind)? A new computer, one with the latest and fastest bells and whistles that Dell, er... I mean the industry has to offer.

So I could be wrong but, yeah, I think the average user does care about performance. I also suspect that when Vista is released users will migrate to it as they did from previous windows versions to XP.
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post #64 of 87
5/30/06 at 6:32pm
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More and More sites are reporting this...

More and More sites are reporting Conroe being released in July. The question is when will it be incorporated into a notebook?

SEE THIS > http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3962
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post #65 of 87
5/30/06 at 9:31pm
The notebook version comes out in August. Probably it will be available in Sept in notebooks. However the prices will probably stay high for early adopters through Nov.
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post #66 of 87
5/30/06 at 11:14pm
Crap, quad cores in early 2007.
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post #67 of 87
5/31/06 at 8:45am
While the quad core is not for notebooks (yet), you do realize why quad cores start to make sense don't you? When we start getting software that can "take advantage" of a dual core cpu, then suddenly that software can take up the entire processing abilities of the cpu (roughly) and thus that buttery smooth experience multitasking you used to have is lessened and in order to bring it back you have to add more cpu cores.

It's kind of funny that when we have dual cores we want the software to take advantage of them, but in so doing, we get ourselves back to where we were with single cores in terms of getting things done. Thus we have to up the ante again, and thus go to quad cores.

Anyway should be fun when they get here!
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post #68 of 87
6/1/06 at 9:45pm
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A New Look at Core 2 Extreme

This is a nice post regarding Conroe...

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1970191,00.asp
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post #69 of 87
6/2/06 at 4:18am
While I can believe that AMD was beaten by the Conroe, I find it kind of odd that it was beaten THAT badly. But, I digress, we're compareing current generation CPU's to next generation CPU's. So I guess the fx62 could get beaten like that.

I'm still going to hold my final opinion till I see AMD's anwser to Conroe. Maybe their new bulldozer chip will provide a worthy match up.
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post #70 of 87
6/7/06 at 10:25pm
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"Conroe" Headed to a Notebook Near You...

That is the title of this interesting article. Could Clevo (Sager) be in the mix by this fall?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2749
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post #71 of 87
6/7/06 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by speedcap
That is the title of this interesting article. Could Clevo (Sager) be in the mix by this fall?

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2749
I think it would be very feasible since right now, Conroe's estimated to be cheaper than Merom yet better.
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post #72 of 87
6/10/06 at 2:02pm
From what I've seen so far it looks like the fastest 'unreleased' conroe cpu's tested are generally about 12-15% faster than the 'currently available' FX62. With that said, you can't deny that the conroe chips will take the performance crown when they are released.

One interesting question is how many core2 duo's will Intel be able to ship this year? I think intel has stated they want it to be around 20% by 2007. Which brings up another interesting question... Can that possibly meet the demand? Who would buy a PIV once the core2 duos are out?

I have a feeling that the conroe chips will sell for a premium in '06 while the PIV's will basically be given away (finally a good time to buy into netburst?). It'll also be interesting to see if amd can produce a decent mobile dual core Turion this year, or else they'll get killed. AMD's only ace, atm, seems to be the quad core chips.

I think Intel has hyped the core2duo's at the expense of the P4's, which will hurt them badly this year. Things are going to get interesting...
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post #73 of 87
6/10/06 at 2:40pm
Yep, high demand + low production = mucho $$. I'm glad I'm not planning on upgrading my desktops until '07. By then the Conroe should be reasonable.

I'm waiting to upgrade desktop #2 until after the AMD QuadCores come out.
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post #74 of 87
6/10/06 at 7:43pm
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More benches for Conroe...

More benches for Conroe from yesterday. Impressive!

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=832&cid=1
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post #75 of 87
6/12/06 at 11:13pm
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Nice gaming benches here...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/1/page_1_benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2/index.html




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post #76 of 87
6/12/06 at 11:37pm
Isn't that kinda cherry picking? IIRC, Doom 3 has always been a bit Intel-centric. Even the P4 661 does as well as the FX-62 in Doom 3 but I don't think anyone believes the 661 is as good a CPU as the FX-62. (Athough it uses a heck of lot less power!) The Quake and F.E.A.R. tests were much closer.

Too bad they didn't include the Pentium D 805 OC'd. I was reading in THG that they are OC'ing the 805 from its stock 2.6 setting to 4.1. I wonder how it would stack up against the X2 5000 and E6700.

As an aside, THG also compared several new Intel 975-based mobos and the Intel board actually fared better than the MSI and Gigabyte boards. Intel's new 975 board has many enthusiast features built in now, like OC options, etc.
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post #77 of 87
7/13/06 at 9:50pm
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Conroe released tonight, July 14th, at 12:01AM EST!!

Without further ado...Intel is set to announce its long awaited Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors tonight, July 14th, at 12:01AM EST....

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3228



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post #78 of 87
7/14/06 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by speedcap
Without further ado...Intel is set to announce its long awaited Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme processors tonight, July 14th, at 12:01AM EST....
So far, it's looking pretty good. I'm thinking these CPU's are way better to have in a Sager than the AMD 64's or earlier P4's. Can't wait to see one in a laptop.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...2/index.x?pg=1
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post #79 of 87
7/14/06 at 2:45pm
OK - dumb question:

The Mermon is supposed to be the notebook processor, but that is not yet available. Can we 5760 owners put a Conroe chip in our machines?

p.s. Good review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...cessors/1.html
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post #80 of 87
7/14/06 at 9:09pm
No sorry Groston - Conroe is only for socket 775 and it requires a new buck controller in the power distribution that will not work on even older 775 mobos, let alone a 5760.

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