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post #1 of 21
4/5/06 at 10:51pm
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I have Toshiba satellite M 70. I want to use kubuntu live CD, downloading it. I want to know some things,

1- Can I use internet with dial up via modem of my noyebook on this live CD( before I tried puppy linux live CD but it did not recogvize my modem and I was not able to use internet). This is my main issue.
2- Can I work with work documents on it.
3- Is it easy to use. I never used linux except for the trial I mentioned above. I don,t know commands like DOS.
4- What about the security issue. I mean being a live CD, I can,t install any antivirus or firewall. Does these CDs have Antivirus software as well( seems a rather silly question!)

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post #2 of 21
4/7/06 at 6:22pm
Yes, you can work with documents - matter of fact, Kubuntu has the OpenOffice suite (openoffice.org) which is fully compatible with MS Office files, and that's pretty nice

Concerning the virus question: don't worry about it. Viruses are a Windows thing. Same with adware/spyware. Linux will automatically run a firewall to keep people from hacking into your system, but more security isn't necessary.

Can you use a modem? Uh, good question. Linux isn't as good with dial-up as they are with broadband. It might work, and if not I've heard Kanotix is very good at dial-up, you can try downloading that.

Is it easy to use? Well, Kubuntu is a very easy distro, or flavor, of Linux, and good for beginners. Personally, I spent my first few weeks with Linux struggling to resist the urge to chuck it, and then thought it was easy, but that's because I, not knowing any better, started with one of the more difficult distros. The most confusing part is the filesystem: drives aren't labeled A:, C:, D:, etc, but show up as a folder in the /mnt/ directory. I promise, you'll get used to it.
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post #3 of 21
4/8/06 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by attilathepun
Yes, you can work with documents - matter of fact, Kubuntu has the OpenOffice suite (openoffice.org) which is fully compatible with MS Office files, and that's pretty nice

Concerning the virus question: don't worry about it. Viruses are a Windows thing. Same with adware/spyware. Linux will automatically run a firewall to keep people from hacking into your system, but more security isn't necessary.

Can you use a modem? Uh, good question. Linux isn't as good with dial-up as they are with broadband. It might work, and if not I've heard Kanotix is very good at dial-up, you can try downloading that.

Is it easy to use? Well, Kubuntu is a very easy distro, or flavor, of Linux, and good for beginners. Personally, I spent my first few weeks with Linux struggling to resist the urge to chuck it, and then thought it was easy, but that's because I, not knowing any better, started with one of the more difficult distros. The most confusing part is the filesystem: drives aren't labeled A:, C:, D:, etc, but show up as a folder in the /mnt/ directory. I promise, you'll get used to it.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Infact I tried Dam small Linux and Puppy linux, and both did not recognize my modem, and I can,t install a linmodem driver as It,s a live CD and also I don,t know the dreiver for my modem.
How can I get help with command line interface on linux. I don,t even know simple commands to open USB sticks, or to run CD drive, etc
I am currently downloading Kanotix.
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post #4 of 21
4/8/06 at 7:32am
Workin on a nice wiki for this purpose for those interested in audio, but it is nowhere close to useable yet, in the meantime a quick google of basic linux commands will help you a lot I think.

For your purposes going to the command line and typing 'man' without the quotes followed by the following commands should help you.

cd
ls
mv
cp
mount
umount

cd is change directory, mv is move, cp is copy, so both mv and cp are used for file operations. ls is LIST, if you are familiar with DOS the equivalent would be dir. It is used to reveal the contents of the directory your are currently in. Mount and umount are used to mount or unmount filesystems, which is what a CD or USB stick would be. Note you need somewhere TO mount or unmount them, typically this is a subdirectory in either /mnt or /mount.

But definitly google as there is a fair amount of good stuff out there, there is also a thread stickied here with good resources for newcomers to linux.

Seablade
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post #5 of 21
4/8/06 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by attilathepun
Concerning the virus question: don't worry about it. Viruses are a Windows thing. Same with adware/spyware. Linux will automatically run a firewall to keep people from hacking into your system, but more security isn't necessary.
attilathepun, please don't tell this to newcomers. Yes, the virus threat is currently minimal under Linux, but that is only due to its market share; the situation will most certainly change as it becomes more lucrative to target the Linux platform. Regardless of the OS, users must be aware of security issues; worms spread by exploiting security holes, but viruses spread by exploiting users' stupidity.

As far as the firewall goes, yes, the Linux kernel provides the iptables engine, but it is up to the individual distribution to configure it properly.

Mikhail
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post #6 of 21
4/8/06 at 6:59pm
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Seablade! Thanks for the help. I will google.
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post #7 of 21
4/10/06 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by mmarkin
attilathepun, please don't tell this to newcomers. Yes, the virus threat is currently minimal under Linux, but that is only due to its market share; the situation will most certainly change as it becomes more lucrative to target the Linux platform. Regardless of the OS, users must be aware of security issues; worms spread by exploiting security holes, but viruses spread by exploiting users' stupidity.

As far as the firewall goes, yes, the Linux kernel provides the iptables engine, but it is up to the individual distribution to configure it properly.

Mikhail
Worth repeating.

Though my viewpoint is that viruses and the like will have a harder time on your default linux setup as most distros at the least require you to set up another account other than root for your day to day activities, and that is already a step up over windows in protecting your computer is NOT being logged in as the administrator(Or root in Linux) all the time to run a virus code under.

But common sense goes a long way in helping on any OS, I do think Linux will remain more secure even with a larger market, but it definitly is not virus/worm proof.

Seablade
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post #8 of 21
4/10/06 at 7:15pm
Definitely true. Privelege separation goes a long way, but it won't do you any good if you run random binaries as root.
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post #9 of 21
4/20/06 at 11:02am
Have you tried a USB drive version? I tried a live CD on my Alienware Sentia m3200, but I had problems with wireless and display. So I am putting kubuntu on a 6 gig flash drive instead, so that I can edit the system files to get everything working right.

This also allows instralling things like AVG antivirus and the all-important QBrew.

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Originally Posted by aigle_hawk
1- Can I use internet with dial up via modem of my noyebook on this live CD( before I tried puppy linux live CD but it did not recogvize my modem and I was not able to use internet). This is my main issue.
2- Can I work with work documents on it.
3- Is it easy to use. I never used linux except for the trial I mentioned above. I don,t know commands like DOS.
4- What about the security issue. I mean being a live CD, I can,t install any antivirus or firewall. Does these CDs have Antivirus software as well( seems a rather silly question!)

Thanks.
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post #10 of 21
4/20/06 at 11:06pm
What about I/O performance of the USB drive? Even if you're talking about standard ATA/SATA drives in USB enclosures, I haven't been too satisfied with those. The hard drive is what keeps you down in regards to performance, so you don't want to make it worse.
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post #11 of 21
4/21/06 at 3:49am
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Originally Posted by mmarkin
What about I/O performance of the USB drive? Even if you're talking about standard ATA/SATA drives in USB enclosures, I haven't been too satisfied with those. The hard drive is what keeps you down in regards to performance, so you don't want to make it worse.
6 Giga flash memory? I have not seen.
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post #12 of 21
4/21/06 at 9:30pm
Aigle, I have a Toshiba satillite Centrino with a Toshiba software modem made by Agere and "Kanotix and Kanotix Lite Live CD's" both recognize my modem as well as everything else on my laptop. I can browse at the local coffee shop on my intel 2200 b/g 802.11 wireless with no problems as well as get online with my modem at home. No need for command line commands as these versions boot right up to a window after a small amount of input to determine your screen output ie fb1024x768 and which language you want to boot up in. This is all user friendly(up and down arrows and "enter"). By the way, I also tried Kanotix on an Atheros wireless card with great results. Kanotix lite is about a 500mb download compared to 700mb with Kanotix. Kanotix lite uncompresses to about 2gb of programs.
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post #13 of 21
4/22/06 at 8:04am
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That,s really great to hear, as my modem is also made by Agere. What is ur model and which versions of Kanotix and Kanotix lite u are using. I will download them.
What u loose in lite version as compared to regular one?
Thanks.
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post #14 of 21
4/23/06 at 12:36am
Kanotix lite and kanotix are the 2005-4 versions. I also noticed that the "lite" version picks up my sound card a bit better than the standard kanotix(the sound is louder). There are a few less programs in the lite version but I use mainly the online stuff and they both have the same programs for that. The lite program seems to have better writing ability to the USB thumb drive with which you can store your setup files for logging into your ISP and also bookmarks for your browser.

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Tohsiba Satellite M35X-S311 Pentium M Centrino 1.5GH, 768ram, 15.4, 60GB, Intel 2200 802.11B/G wifi, Toshiba 56k softmodem by Agere
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post #15 of 21
4/23/06 at 11:50am
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That,s nice. I mainly want to try it for surfing.
I think it will be a nice idea if u can manage some time to post ur brief experience here.

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/

It might help others.
Thanks
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post #16 of 21
4/23/06 at 2:58pm
Aigle-hawk, I went to the forum you suggested but they say this on the submission of info:
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Additionally, Linux-On-Laptops is meant to be a resource for those who wish to install Linux on a specific laptop model.
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Since this is a report on a "live cd" and not an installing to the hard drive, they probably don't want it. This is a good resourse site and thanks for suggesting it.
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post #17 of 21
4/23/06 at 3:51pm
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That,s ok but I think they should had given an option for it as well. Anyhow thanks for all this.
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post #18 of 21
4/24/06 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by aigle_hawk
That,s ok but I think they should had given an option for it as well. Anyhow thanks for all this.
Let us know if you are successfull getting Kanotix to work.
Most modern computers are made so they boot from the cdrom but if Kanotix doesn't boot you will have to get into the bios and choose "boot from cd then Hd". Some are setup to boot hd first then cd.
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post #19 of 21
4/25/06 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by bbboogie2
Let us know if you are successfull getting Kanotix to work.
Most modern computers are made so they boot from the cdrom but if Kanotix doesn't boot you will have to get into the bios and choose "boot from cd then Hd". Some are setup to boot hd first then cd.
Actually I use dial up and pay on hourly basis. I download software by free download manager in background while surfing only-- bit by bit. So u can well imagine how long it will take me to download Kanotix. I will try to get its CD but even that,s hard to get here in Saudi Arabia. Anyhow when I will be able to try it I will make a post here as follow up, might take a month or so.
About BIOS settings I can do it as I have already tried Puppy linux, CPX mini linux, and DSL live CDs.
Thanks.
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post #20 of 21
4/25/06 at 11:10pm
I found a wifi hotspot in Riyadh. It says it has an 802.11g connection which would allow you to download a copy of Kantotix lite in about 30 to 45 minutes. I don't know if it is free or not but the web site is here:
http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/loc/9/2560239.php
You may be able to "google" for a wifi hotspot in Saudi Arabia where you are.
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