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Questionablle Trader mr9865

post #1 of 23
4/9/06 at 7:34am
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I negotiated a deal over the phone for a laptop through these forums using escrow.com all seemed OK and I sent the funds. After my money had been sent this guy decided he "wasn't 100 percent" comfortable with the deal and he bailed costing me almost 70.00 dollars. He apparently has found someone else to pay his price using paypal only, my only comment to that is good luck, I was willing to pay asking price and escrow fees and this guy screwed me.


Following up on this, escrow did not charge fees on the cancelled transaction, so my money wasn't lost, that leaves my only complaint being a broken "handshake" agreement. So in essence no real harm no foul. In the interest of being fair, apologies are offered on the money lost part of my complaint.
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post #2 of 23
4/9/06 at 8:07am
There is a sticky thread about avoiding particular sellers. You might add him to the list?
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post #3 of 23
4/9/06 at 7:16pm
a deal is a deal and if you already payed escorw fees then ask him to reimurse you for them
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post #4 of 23
4/9/06 at 8:03pm
He needs to kick you back the cash period
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post #5 of 23
4/9/06 at 8:12pm
That's jacked up, he should definately be rembursing you for $70 escrow fee.
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post #6 of 23
4/9/06 at 8:24pm
does he have any heatware? If he does, he deserves a negative feedback and he needs to pay you the $70.
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post #7 of 23
4/9/06 at 10:33pm
I've dealt with him, Mikes a good trader, but apparantly not in this instance.
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post #8 of 23
4/9/06 at 10:50pm
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My problem was in the fact that his discomfort with escrow has cost me cash, he may overall be a good trader but backing out of this should have been done before that happened. I encouraged him to research escrow.com because I'd used them before, never heard of a problem with them, they are even recommended by e-bay as a safe way to do business, his idea of a secure transaction was paypal and we all know paypal and secure don't even belong in the same sentence when it comes to recovering funds if something goes wrong.
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post #9 of 23
4/9/06 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by nartac
does he have any heatware? If he does, he deserves a negative feedback and he needs to pay you the $70.
I agree. A deal is a deal. He should have cancelled it before you incurred expenses. That being said, if he does not reimburse you, a negative eval is warranted.
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post #10 of 23
4/10/06 at 1:08am
Ok here is my side of the story. I never got to step one of the transaction because I didn't get an e-mail. I don't see how there can be fees if I never got an e-mail or agree to the terms.

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Step 1: Buyer and Seller Agree to Terms



Both parties agree to terms, which includes a description of the merchandise, sale price, number of days for the Buyer's inspection, and shipping information.

Either the Buyer or Seller signs in to Escrow.com and creates a transaction. If either the Buyer or Seller is not a registered user, they must register with Escrow.com. Registration is free.

The initiating party defines the terms of the transaction and provides information about the merchandise. This information includes:

E-mail address of the other party
Length of inspection period
Party responsible for paying the escrow fee
Delivery options
Shipping costs
The initiating party confirms the information entered, and agrees to the escrow instructions. The other party is notified by e-mail, to sign in and agree to the terms of the transaction provided by the initiating party.

After both parties have agreed to the terms, the Buyer will be asked to submit payment to Escrow.com.
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post #11 of 23
4/10/06 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by mr9865
Ok here is my side of the story. I never got to step one of the transaction because I didn't get an e-mail. I don't see how there can be fees if I never got an e-mail or agree to the terms.
Sounds like a pretty lame excuse to me...why not wait? You don't just cancel a transaction that's in the making. I'm sure you've traded on here before and are aware of basic trading ethics the way you seem to have gone was "questionable" to say the least...

Good luck in resolving this, if he sold the item already he should at least refund you the $70 and apologize. You can't leave him any heatware if he refunds you the money as no deal took place according to their policy.
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post #12 of 23
4/10/06 at 1:50am
How can you say that mr is responsible for the loss of fees if the first step was never even completed? I have half a mind to email Escrow.com and find out exactly what their policy is on charging the fee for a service that was never used.

From my point of view n-abler seems to be the shady party. Maybe he was charged a fee, and then refunded since the deal never took place, and is now looking for a little revenge or a monetary kickback because he was "wronged."

Sure, you can kick the pot of crap and get the flies stirred up, but realize you may get a little on your boots in the process. In other words, be prepared to defend yourself as the accuser in cases such as this.
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post #13 of 23
4/10/06 at 1:54am
Escrow is a dangerous thing for sellers. I wouldn't have even agreed to it in the first place. He never got the money so what's the big deal? You shouldn't have been charged if he didn't agree to the terms via Escrow, or however they do it. Sounds like you should be contacting Escrow. Looking at their FAQ it appears you don't even pay until both parties agree to the terms. How about some proof you were actually charged?
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post #14 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:00am
Well, wait a minute. If he sent money to escrow.com, then I would think there was a deal, or this guy is a idiot for sending $ to them. Who would send $ to an escrow service if no deal was solidified. He said he negotiated a deal over the phone. In this case there would not have to be an email. Although I will admit, I would have demanded a confirming email or pm with all the particulars. Demand a refund back from escrow.com and be done with this.
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post #15 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:23am
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I have emailed escrow.com and will be calling on monday morning during business hours if the escrow fees are cancelled or refunded, I will let everyone know that was the case in the interest of fairness. Then I guess my only gripe would be losing out on a negotiated deal...Thats a b***h, but I can swallow that alot easier
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post #16 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:29am
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Originally Posted by GS Jon
How can you say that mr is responsible for the loss of fees if the first step was never even completed? I have half a mind to email Escrow.com and find out exactly what their policy is on charging the fee for a service that was never used.

From my point of view n-abler seems to be the shady party. Maybe he was charged a fee, and then refunded since the deal never took place, and is now looking for a little revenge or a monetary kickback because he was "wronged."

Sure, you can kick the pot of crap and get the flies stirred up, but realize you may get a little on your boots in the process. In other words, be prepared to defend yourself as the accuser in cases such as this.
1355 posts since Feb 2006? Christ.
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post #17 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by gator09
1355 posts since Feb 2006? Christ.
Sorry to go off topic for a bit, but:
Yeah, I'm up all night and have nothing better to do at work. I'm a bit of a postwhore and I'm seeking counseling for it... honestly. Later. I'll get help later. Maybe.

Back on topic.
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post #18 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by GS Jon
How can you say that mr is responsible for the loss of fees if the first step was never even completed? I have half a mind to email Escrow.com and find out exactly what their policy is on charging the fee for a service that was never used.

From my point of view n-abler seems to be the shady party. Maybe he was charged a fee, and then refunded since the deal never took place, and is now looking for a little revenge or a monetary kickback because he was "wronged."

Sure, you can kick the pot of crap and get the flies stirred up, but realize you may get a little on your boots in the process. In other words, be prepared to defend yourself as the accuser in cases such as this.
As for this question ...check, initiate a transaction as part of the deal you authorize a paypal payment covering both the item and the fees being the weekend and their business hours are monday-friday I am waiting to find out if I can get a refund on my fees if so, great but I not counting on it as broken deals are what escrow charges to protect you from.
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post #19 of 23
4/10/06 at 2:41am
For the love of God GS Jon, who is your pimp, because he's doing a helluva job.
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post #20 of 23
4/10/06 at 3:10am
This is interesting:
https://www.escrow.com/support/faq/index.asp?qid=27

But, since mr hadn't even entered the agreement phase, that above info doesn't really matter. It doesn't say anything about fees (unless payment has been sent) being assessed to either party. Hopefully once the company gets into the office they can refund your payment. You didn't even use the service, so I'd hope they'd refund the amount you've paid.
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Originally Posted by Ronin228
For the love of God GS Jon, who is your pimp, because he's doing a helluva job.
I assume this is in reference to me being such a post whore...
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