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Aurora m7700 FX60 review

post #1 of 24
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Hello all, I've been reading about the spate of recent negative comments on AW notebooks and would like to add my 2 cents here. Around the end of last year, I purchased an Area-51m 7700 with a P4 3.4GHz 2GB RAM Geforce Go 7800 GTX config. I received that shipment in 10 days, all the way from Ireland to Hong Kong, where I live. The service was fantastic and in the last 4 months, I've had absolutely no problems with the notebook whatsoever. It has performed flawlessly. In February this year, a close friend of mine offered to buy the notebook off me and I took the opportunity to order an Aurora m7700 FX 60 unit. Would like to provide some feedback on the ups and downs of my experience.

(1) Ordering
I ordered on 22 February with an estimated ship date of 31 March. This was far from smooth. In the first week, the customer support staff had many problems with collecting payment despite me having bought from them 2 months before. To cut a long story short, there was some miscommunication and after 1.5 weeks of faffing about, they finally collected payment. Towards the end of March, I was told there would be a delay due to some parts being in shortage - one customer support officer told me the "D900T Clevo video card was not in stock". Anyway, I was told my order would be given priority and should be shipped within 7 working days from 31 March. And then, voila, on 6 April, I actually received the unit all the way from UK to Hong Kong, earlier than expected! A pleasant surprise, "only" 6 days late which I have no problems with. All in, roughly a 6-week wait....not bad...

(2) Initial setup
I set about installing various software and games over the last 4 days or so. On the 2nd day, I started getting the famous BSOD (blue screen of death) intermittently. Thinking oh no, here we go again, all the stories are true (even went out and bought myself some new RAM thinking it may be some bad sticks)....I figured I should uninstall some of the software which I had installed just to make sure it wasn't software-related. When I uninstalled the first software I had installed prior to the BSODs, Kaspersky Anti-Hacker firewall (oddly enough), the BSODs stopped! I can't quite figure it out (I'm no novice, but not exactly a pro either) but the BSODs have not recurred ever since. Fantastic! (had not changed the RAM sticks) 3 days later, I am playing HL2 and Fear with absolutely no problems. Also been putting the system through some 3DMark05 testing with no problems. Running smoothly and a real monster performance. The FX60 chip is so much better than the P4. It seems to run cooler. I was very pleased with my Area-51m but the Aurora FX60 really kicks it in the teeth.

(3) Benchmarks
Initial run with the Nvidia 79.31 driver clocks in at burn-in mark of low 6,800s with 3DMark05. With the 84.20 driver, it clocks in at 7,100, with Zone Alarm and Kaspersky Anti-virus running in the background! Huge gain with change with the new driver! In contrast, my Area 51m with P4 3.4GHz clocked in at 6,400 (81.94 shipped) with some small gains with the 84.20. Haven't yet run 3DMark06 but I'm guessing a roughly 10% improvement over my Area 51m score of 3,277.

Added 11 April: 3DMark06 score comes in at 4,085

(4) Games
With the inbuilt test module in FEAR, I was getting average 58fps with 4xAA and 4xAF everything else at maximum (except soft shadows off) running at 1024x768. At the exact same settings for the Area 51m, I was getting average 50fps. Roughly a 15% better performance. On HL2, which has a known stutter problem due to the way audio sounds are loaded, I needed to use the "Maldo fix" (head over to Steam forums to find out) to get rid of the sound stutters on my Area 51m (and a very good fix it is). With the Aurora, there was no need for the fix, the game runs smooth with no lags or stutters. I have also been playing Pro-Evo Soccer 5 on the Aurora with a marked improvement in speed over the Area 51m - I've even had to turn up the resolution to the maximum possible to slow down the game as it was running TOO FAST for me to get a grip on the game. The ball was zipping around like no tomorrow. The FX60 really kicks P4's a*se.

(5) Overall
After a shaky start, I am very very happy with the Aurora. No BSODs over the last 2 days playing games and running absolutely smoothly. After reading the horror stories here, I considered seriously cancelling the order over the last 6 weeks. However, in part because of my promise to my friend and in part because of the innate optimist in me, I stuck it out. And I have to say, I am very pleased with the result! Remains to be seen whether the BSODs will return....has not returned even once after I uninstalled Kaspersky Anti-Hacker, which I find slightly odd (given Kaspersky's good rep) but such is life and computers. The optimist in me tells me it will all be fine. I hope this story helps to console some of the other people out there waiting for their Auroras! My conclusion: customer service 7/10, notebook 9/10 (assuming no more BSODs), not 10/10 probably because of the cost. One final comment, my Aurora actually had the D900K and not the D900T in the end.

Here are my specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-60 Processor with HyperTransport and Dual Core Technology
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional UK with SP2 - English
Warranty: Aliencare Free Phone 1-Year 24/7 Warranty
Case: Alienware® m7700 Case with 17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 Display with Built-in Camera
Memory: 2GB DDR PC-3200 400MHz - 2x1024MB
Video Card: Alienware® m7700 NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7800GTX with 256MB of DDR3 memory
System Drive: Dual Drive Configuration - Non RAID - 200GB (100GB x 2) 7200 RPM SATA
Optical Drive One: DVD-Burner: 8x Dual Layer DVD+/-RW / 24x CD-RW Combo w/Software
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 ZS PCMCIA
Wireless network: Internal Wireless 802.11a/b/g miniPCI Card
Home Video Editing: Pinnacle Studio version 9 SE
AlienRespawn: Alienware® Respawn Recovery Kit
Floppy Drive: USB Floppy Drive
Modem: 56K Modem with V.92 Technology
Ethernet NIC: Integrated 10/1000Mb Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Bluetooth: Belkin® Bluetooth™ USB Adapter
Keypad: Mobile Keypad - English
LL
post #2 of 24
Nice to see a positive review on the Aurora m7700. That has to be a killer system with the FX-60. Also interesting that your initial problems may have been software related - good troubleshootiing on your part!

How about some pics?
post #3 of 24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Nice to see a positive review on the Aurora m7700. That has to be a killer system with the FX-60. Also interesting that your initial problems may have been software related - good troubleshootiing on your part!

How about some pics?
Will take some pics when I find some time....the FX60 is a killer. I ran the video stress test in HL2: Lost Coast at 1280x800 4xAA 8xAS, everything else on max settings, and clocked in at 96fps! Also another 3 days passed without the return of the BSOD.
post #4 of 24
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Update (18 April)

No more BSODs to date, except for one when I installed the 84.22 Nvidia driver for Clevo from laptopvideo2go. Scared the lights out of me, but after a trip to the SAFE mode and a visit to my old friend System Restore, all is normal again. Apparently according to the laptopvideo2go forum, I'm not the only one with the problem.

OBLIVION performance:
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After my scare with the 84.22, I have resolved not to mess around with graphics drivers for now. Have not installed the 84.25 Oblivion-optimised driver. Nevertheless, I installed and played Oblivion over the whole Easter weekend, roughly 4-6 hours per day, with very smooth performance. I ran the game at 1440x900, max settings apart from shadows on grass (as recommended by Tweakguides), with HDR on, and the game is smooth as silk. No freezes, no crashes, nothing dramatic. I am completely sold on AMD for now.

Almost two weeks into ownership now and still very happy.
post #5 of 24
Great to see posts that honestly assess performance against expectations without ranting. Also good to learn from those who have blazed the trail for us. What these forums are supposed to be about in the first place!
Good on ya!
post #6 of 24
octop8 - good to see you're still going strong. I agree with you about not twiddling with drivers at this time. I haven't touched the ones on my m5500 - operating under the prinicple "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
post #7 of 24
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4 weeks and counting....still going good. Killing all my spare time and sleep on Oblivion and Tomb Raider Legend. Oblivion runs great - I put on the 84.43 recently and it seems fine. Hearing all the rave reviews for XtremeG's tweaked 84.37 but I dare not try it without a modded mobile inf since it's said to be for desktops only. Anyone here managed to install XG 84.37 on an Aurora? Can't play TRL with next gen graphics on as it stutters a lot - I think you need SLI for that one...
post #8 of 24
hey octop8! great lappy with nice config. glad to know urn't having any kinda problem. keep us posted.
post #9 of 24
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Machine is still running fantastic. Oblivion really burns up the system. I've been running it at 1440x900 with most settings on max and playing 4-6 hours a day (not everyday though). System really heats up and I have to max out the fans. Bought myself an X-stand to lift the back of unit upwards - seems to help air circulation but perhaps I should look into a Lapcool4 which everyone seems to be raving about. I get worried with the heat. I also find that the 84.43 drivers are not very stable for Oblivion on this system - seem to run into crashes and bugs now and then, 84.20/1 seems to work best for my system, Oblivion-wise...

Perhaps I should take down the drivers a notch to the 83.xx ones as I've read elsewhere that the 84.xx stress the system harder. Noticed also that Nvidia has released an official 83.40 WHQL driver for mobile Go 7800 GTX and Alienware notebooks are expressly stated as being supported.

Far Cry looks absolutely beautiful on this system. Now all I need to do is try to get a 7900 into this unit - really looking forward to Crysis next year and not sure if my system would run it.
post #10 of 24
Hows the cam? can u record video with it?
post #11 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by octop8
Hello all, I've been reading about the spate of recent negative comments on AW notebooks and would like to add my 2 cents here. Around the end of last year, I purchased an Area-51m 7700 with a P4 3.4GHz 2GB RAM Geforce Go 7800 GTX config. I received that shipment in 10 days, all the way from Ireland to Hong Kong, where I live. The service was fantastic and in the last 4 months, I've had absolutely no problems with the notebook whatsoever. It has performed flawlessly. In February this year, a close friend of mine offered to buy the notebook off me and I took the opportunity to order an Aurora m7700 FX 60 unit. Would like to provide some feedback on the ups and downs of my experience.

(1) Ordering
I ordered on 22 February with an estimated ship date of 31 March. This was far from smooth. In the first week, the customer support staff had many problems with collecting payment despite me having bought from them 2 months before. To cut a long story short, there was some miscommunication and after 1.5 weeks of faffing about, they finally collected payment. Towards the end of March, I was told there would be a delay due to some parts being in shortage - one customer support officer told me the "D900T Clevo video card was not in stock". Anyway, putting aside that amusing comment, I was told my order would be given priority and should be shipped within 7 working days from 31 March. And then, voila, on 6 April, I actually received the unit all the way from UK to Hong Kong, earlier than expected! A pleasant surprise, "only" 6 days late which I have no problems with. All in, roughly a 6-week wait....not bad...

(2) Initial setup
I set about installing various software and games over the last 4 days or so. On the 2nd day, I started getting the famous BSOD (blue screen of death) intermittently. Thinking oh no, here we go again, all the stories are true (even went out and bought myself some new RAM thinking it may be some bad sticks)....I figured I should uninstall some of the software which I had installed just to make sure it wasn't software-related. When I uninstalled the first software I had installed prior to the BSODs, Kaspersky Anti-Hacker firewall (oddly enough), the BSODs stopped! I can't quite figure it out (I'm no novice, but not exactly a pro either) but the BSODs have not recurred ever since. Fantastic! (had not changed the RAM sticks) 3 days later, I am playing HL2 and Fear with absolutely no problems. Also been putting the system through some 3DMark05 testing with no problems. Running smoothly and a real monster performance. The FX60 chip is so much better than the P4. It seems to run cooler. I was very pleased with my Area-51m but the Aurora FX60 really kicks it in the teeth.

(3) Benchmarks
Initial run with the Nvidia 79.31 driver clocks in at burn-in mark of low 6,800s with 3DMark05. With the 84.20 driver, it clocks in at 7,100, with Zone Alarm and Kaspersky Anti-virus running in the background! Huge gain with change with the new driver! In contrast, my Area 51m with P4 3.4GHz clocked in at 6,400 (81.94 shipped) with some small gains with the 84.20. Haven't yet run 3DMark06 but I'm guessing a roughly 10% improvement over my Area 51m score of 3,277.

Added 11 April: 3DMark06 score comes in at 4,085

(4) Games
With the inbuilt test module in FEAR, I was getting average 58fps with 4xAA and 4xAF everything else at maximum (except soft shadows off) running at 1024x768. At the exact same settings for the Area 51m, I was getting average 50fps. Roughly a 15% better performance. On HL2, which has a known stutter problem due to the way audio sounds are loaded, I needed to use the "Maldo fix" (head over to Steam forums to find out) to get rid of the sound stutters on my Area 51m (and a very good fix it is). With the Aurora, there was no need for the fix, the game runs smooth with no lags or stutters. I have also been playing Pro-Evo Soccer 5 on the Aurora with a marked improvement in speed over the Area 51m - I've even had to turn up the resolution to the maximum possible to slow down the game as it was running TOO FAST for me to get a grip on the game. The ball was zipping around like no tomorrow. The FX60 really kicks P4's a*se.

(5) Overall
After a shaky start, I am very very happy with the Aurora. No BSODs over the last 2 days playing games and running absolutely smoothly. After reading the horror stories here, I considered seriously cancelling the order over the last 6 weeks. However, in part because of my promise to my friend and in part because of the innate optimist in me, I stuck it out. And I have to say, I am very pleased with the result! Remains to be seen whether the BSODs will return....has not returned even once after I uninstalled Kaspersky Anti-Hacker, which I find slightly odd (given Kaspersky's good rep) but such is life and computers. The optimist in me tells me it will all be fine. I hope this story helps to console some of the other people out there waiting for their Auroras! My conclusion: customer service 6/10, notebook 9/10 (assuming no more BSODs), not 10/10 probably because of the cost. One final comment, my Aurora actually had the D900K and not the D900T in the end.

Here are my specs:

Processor: AMD Athlon™ 64 FX-60 Processor with HyperTransport and Dual Core Technology
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional UK with SP2 - English
Warranty: Aliencare Free Phone 1-Year 24/7 Warranty
Case: Alienware® m7700 Case with 17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 Display with Built-in Camera
Memory: 2GB DDR PC-3200 400MHz - 2x1024MB
Video Card: Alienware® m7700 NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7800GTX with 256MB of DDR3 memory
System Drive: Dual Drive Configuration - Non RAID - 200GB (100GB x 2) 7200 RPM SATA
Optical Drive One: DVD-Burner: 8x Dual Layer DVD+/-RW / 24x CD-RW Combo w/Software
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 ZS PCMCIA
Wireless network: Internal Wireless 802.11a/b/g miniPCI Card
Home Video Editing: Pinnacle Studio version 9 SE
AlienRespawn: Alienware® Respawn Recovery Kit
Floppy Drive: USB Floppy Drive
Modem: 56K Modem with V.92 Technology
Ethernet NIC: Integrated 10/1000Mb Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (DSL-ready)
Bluetooth: Belkin® Bluetooth™ USB Adapter
Keypad: Mobile Keypad - English
Hi Octop8, Astronut here;
I just got my Aurora 64 FX60 on May 25th 2006 and the same EXACT thing happened to me. The blue screen came up after I reinstalled the os from xp home to xp professional. The xp professional was Alienware software from my last laptop (the one I killed by trying to take a memory stick out without grounding myself and fried the motherboard) anyway, I installed system machanic pro 6 which has Kaspersky anti-hacker software on it and pow, the dreaded BLUE SCREEN. As I write this my Aurora is in Tenesse getting surviced by AW. In fact it just arrived their today via fed-ex. The tech's at AW thought it might be the memory sticks too, and tried to walk me through fixing it over the phone. I couldn't get one of the screws out and given my horror story with my last lap top, I really didn't want to go into the system myself anyway. I'm so glad I read your post, I'm hoping that's all that is wrong with mine too, but it sure sounds like that's what the problem is. I probably won't get it back for about 3 weeks but when I do, I'll let you know what happens. I'll be curious to see what it is too; but after reading your post, i'm almost 100 percent certain it was the anti-hacking software. Thanks for the post. I'll keep you posted too. Pun intended, sort of . lol
Have fun with your Aurora; I plan on having fun with mine upon it's return. I wish I had it right now, but all good things come to those who wait. Just look at the phase phase and you know what I'm talking about. lol
bye for now
astronut
post #12 of 24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reanimated
Hows the cam? can u record video with it?
I haven't really tried this yet actually. Played around with it a short while but never tried to record with it.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
It's now exactly 3 months and everything still works perfectly....well, almost....

Couple of weeks ago, the dreaded BSODs returned with some memory error messages. Infrequent, maybe once every 2-3 days. I contacted AW and they asked me to test the RAM sticks by using one at a time. Found the guilty stick, then ran the memtest facility on the stick. Sure enough, it was the stick. Tried the stick with another older laptop and it was the same BSODs. Getting the stick replaced - in the meantime I got myself some nice new RAM and everything has been fine since. Machine still purring and I just completed Oblivion after more than 100 hours of game time. Did I mention that Oblivion runs very well on the machine? Maybe the BSODs I had very early on were not software-related after all - but I still think it was, because at the time, I couldn't even boot into Windows when I had it installed.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ah well, it's been a long time since I posted here. The Aurora is still working fine with no problems but I spend a little less time on this nowadays. I decided to build my own rig - miss the tinkering and overclocking you can do on desktops, and the widespread modded graphics card drivers you see everywhere. My new Conroe E6600 build absolutely screams. Overclocked to 3.0Ghz on stock voltages, I am getting 15,000+ scores on 3DMark05 and 9000+ 3DMark06 with a 7950GX2 card! I have to say my FX-60 Aurora feels a little "ancient" now with "half" the performance of the OC'd E6600...although it works perfectly well. Very grateful that my experience with AW has been relatively painless and smooth.
post #15 of 24
Great to hear.

If you want to give your 7700 away since it's ancient, I'd be more than happy to take it off your hands to save you from the costs of getting rid of it...

post #16 of 24
are you going to run any benchmarks with the FX-60? Im considering upgrading from a 4400 and want to know the difference in scores between the two.
post #17 of 24
I have the same system (except i opted for Raid 0 ) and would be happy to run some benchies and post results when i finnish work in the morning, (im off in 10 mins and dont have time to do it now.
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Great to hear.

If you want to give your 7700 away since it's ancient, I'd be more than happy to take it off your hands to save you from the costs of getting rid of it...

Ha ha, not giving it away! It's keepers, great machine, still need a laptop to lug around...I'm sure your m9700 is going to be a screamer too, I have to say SLI is a fantastic thing (although my desktop card is a "single GPU"), you can run Tomb Raider Legend with next-gen graphics on "smoothly" (with the new patch)....other games work fantastic, I get 40+ fps at 1680x1050 on Oblivion as well.
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukefrukem
are you going to run any benchmarks with the FX-60? Im considering upgrading from a 4400 and want to know the difference in scores between the two.
It's in my original post at the top, I've got 3DM05 at 7100+ and3DM06 at 4085. Didn't run others like SuperPi, PCMark etc. What benchmarks are you after?
post #20 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astronut
Hi Octop8, Astronut here;
I just got my Aurora 64 FX60 on May 25th 2006 and the same EXACT thing happened to me. The blue screen came up after I reinstalled the os from xp home to xp professional. The xp professional was Alienware software from my last laptop (the one I killed by trying to take a memory stick out without grounding myself and fried the motherboard) anyway, I installed system machanic pro 6 which has Kaspersky anti-hacker software on it and pow, the dreaded BLUE SCREEN. As I write this my Aurora is in Tenesse getting surviced by AW. In fact it just arrived their today via fed-ex. The tech's at AW thought it might be the memory sticks too, and tried to walk me through fixing it over the phone. I couldn't get one of the screws out and given my horror story with my last lap top, I really didn't want to go into the system myself anyway. I'm so glad I read your post, I'm hoping that's all that is wrong with mine too, but it sure sounds like that's what the problem is. I probably won't get it back for about 3 weeks but when I do, I'll let you know what happens. I'll be curious to see what it is too; but after reading your post, i'm almost 100 percent certain it was the anti-hacking software. Thanks for the post. I'll keep you posted too. Pun intended, sort of . lol
Have fun with your Aurora; I plan on having fun with mine upon it's return. I wish I had it right now, but all good things come to those who wait. Just look at the phase phase and you know what I'm talking about. lol
bye for now
astronut
Quote:
Originally Posted by octop8
has your AW laptop been repaired yet? I think it may be RAM-related. Had some BSODs recently and called AW. THey asked me to physically test the RAM sticks one at a time and I found one of the sticks to be faulty. Replaced it and everything is fine now.

NEWS UPDATE ON AURORA m7700! September 17th 2006
Hi octop8; No my AW laptop has not been repaired. It arrieved new on May 2006, two weeks later was sent back to the shop for repairs, returned (unfixed) three weeks later, returned back to the shop for repairs July 3rd 2006, and never made it to the repair shop. IT WAS LOST! Now, for the past 3 months I've been getiing the run around from FedEx and Alienware. I just assumed since I have the FedEx tracking number it should have been resolved right away; but I've learned in life to never ASSUME anything. At first Alienware said it was out of their hands and it was all Fed Ex's problem. So I filed a claim with fed ex and they denied the claim saying they only honor claims submitted by the shipper (which, in this case was AW because they're the one's with the Fed ex account) So back to AW I went. I told them what Fed EX said, and told them THEY HAD TO FILE THE CLAIM (AW) since they were indeed the shipper and/or claimant. AW now says they were not insurred or covered by FedEX because they hired their own insurance company to cover their computers. Well, so much for them not being responsible. If I knew this would happen in the event of a loss or missing/damaged computer in route to the repair shop, I would have never let my $5.000 dollar AW computer leave my possession to go to the repair shop in the first place. Why would AW have you send your new system to the repair shop, all expenses paid, if they knew if something happend to your system you wouldn't be compensated for it. That is something that should be clear to the AW customer before sending off a new $5.000 system back for repairs. I'm still trying to get this resolved, but everytime I call, the customer service representative that's been handling my case is never there. They said to call back tomorrow. I'll see what happens tomorrow. Even the FedEx security manager called me personally and appoligized for the excessive delay in handling my claim. They admit it was their fault, but since AW had used a private insurance company to handle the covereage of their systems in transit, it was up to AW to resolve this nightmare. Hopefully, AW will do the right thing and reimburse me for the full amount of the computer. A computer I recieved new in May of this year, and never got to enjoy because it never worked to start off with. Now it's lost, and I've been tied up in a crazy run around with FedEx and AW to right a wrong. I'll keep you guys informed on the outcome to save any potential new AW customers the headache I am experiencing if and when they choose to purchase a new AW system and something like this happens again. Hopefully they will do right my me. I'm counting on it. So far I am not impressed with the way they are handling this whole nightmare.
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