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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I've got an HP zd7058cl (P4 2.8, 512 RAM, etc, see sig) and I need to upgrade. I know this sounds like a stupid reason to upgrade (though I have other justifications), but I got Elder Scrolls Oblivion and I can't play it on what I got (video card not good enough) and I don't feel like messing around with the game to 'get it to work'. My wife needs an upgrade as well, so she can have this laptop. She's got a Dell D610 (I think), P3 1 Ghz... ugh. It's painful to work on. So, there's my REAL justification... It'll just be a coincidence that I can now play a new game.

Here's what I like about what I already got:

Pentium 4 (not Pent M, not Centrino)
17" widescreen
full size keyboard - it has the numeric keypad

With this machine, it gets pretty warm and battery life sucks, but I RARELY use it away from power, so I don't care too much about those things.

The biggest question I have yet to find the answer to is: Am I spoiled by having a P4? I've looked into the benchmarks for the centrino processors and the new duo procs, but I feel that I'm not comparing apples to apples. There are a number of laptops out there that look good in every way except my question on the proc. How can I compare the P4 to the Centrino family? I also don't want to spend too much either. I'd like a Sager or Alienware, but they're just too expensive for what I'd really be using it for.

I'm not attached to HP by any means. I have the infamous power cord prob and had to buy the HP "media cable" because my warranty had already run out.

SO, if you've already read this far, I guess what I'm really asking is for advice on a new laptop that has at least comperable performance to what I got now and one that I won't have to sell my first born to buy.

Thanks!
post #2 of 14
First question is, is it nessisary for you to have a laptop? Because if you don't need the mobility then you're wasting money that could be used to purchase a kick ass desktop with better specs.
post #3 of 14
A PM is better for gaming than a P4, and you will get better battery life and less heat.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
I've thought about that route. Quite frankly, I've grown accustomed to being able to kick back on the couch, go outside, take my laptop to work, etc. It'd be hard to go back to a desktop, plus the fact that I use multiple desktops all day long. When I get home, I'd rather kick back instead of needing to sit in a chair, at a desk.

Trust me, I understand that I would get more horsepower out of a desktop. I built my first desktop from scratch in 91, 92? I forget now... 286 w/1MB RAM.. those were the days... anyhoo, got off track there. oh yeah, I've gotten into networking/security/etc in my career and have fallen off the 'knowing every intricate detail about hardware' bandwagon.

So, I'm looking at the most horsepower without breaking the bank. I totally get that I'm never going to get desktop performance, but the mobility makes up for that.
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
A Pent M is better than a Pent 4? See my last post. Obviously I really have lost touch with hardware...

Ok, so is a Pent M different than a Centrino or are they in the same family? Seems a number of manufacturers are pushing the new Core Duo (which I believe is in the Centrino family).

I just don't see how a Core Duo running at 2 GHz (even with dual core) can compare to a 3.x Ghz P4.
post #6 of 14
You might either want to wait it out for the new core duo/turion x2 models to come out, or jump on the bandwagon and get a dell xpsm170. Since the new dell xps notebook is coming out really soon there are great deals on these to be had. Another option would be to with an asus or acer core duo notebook.
They have models that are reasonably priced and have decent graphic capabilities. It depends on the chip you get, but more than likely you will see an increase in performance over your P4, if you get core duo and if you got a high end pm (780).
I have run tests and my pm 780 @ 2.5Ghz smokes a desktop P4 3.4Ghz w/HT.
The main question is how much are you willing to spend, and what kind of graphics power do you really want? Oblivion is probably the most complex game out right now for graphics (of popular games). Not many of the lesser gpu's can run it with high settings on. If you are going to game a lot I would reccomend ati x1600 or better.

Just my 2 cents.
If I needed something really mobile with a 17" I would get something with a core duo and ati x1600. But that is just me. I have really no need for ultra mobility, even at school I just plug in my ac adapter (even when I did have a more portable notebook vaio s360p) so my 2 dtr's are as mobile as I need them.

--k1tty
post #7 of 14
To calculate the clockspeed of a PM to compare to a P4 multiply the PM by 1.7.
Also, the celeron is different than the PM, and the core duo is essentially a dual core PM chip.
** Centrino is just Intels fancy name for a machine that incorporates their mobile chip and their wireless technology!**
The netburst technology that the P4 uses (why its clockspeeds got so high compared to all other chips) has shown to be lacking, and Intel is backtracking to their older PIII based technology which bloomed into the PM's. All of their new chips are going in this direction, and they will (sometime in 2007?) release their quad-core 64-bit chip code named merom.

So yeah, the PM's are better in most areas than the P4's.

--k1tty
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Wow. Thanks for the great info!

So, with that logic, a 2 GHz Core Duo would be like having two P4 3.4 GHz? (2 * 1.7 = 3.4)

That really opens up the range of notebooks. Now on to more research!

Thanks again!
post #9 of 14
Think about this, how can AMD clock its cpus in the low to mid 2GHz range, and yet kill P4's at 3+Ghz easily? The same way with the PM. Nowadays clock doesnt mean performance, there are other factors in a cpu that increase performance.

Liek the other guy said, a 2ghz duo will prolly surpass a 3.4GHz p4 in most benchmarks. It was shown a while ago that an OCed pentium m at like 2.8 was destroying fx-57's in gaming performance, which I hope u know is one of the top cpus out there. Both of these are under 3ghz, yet i dont think any p4 can keep up with them unless at like 4.6GHZ
post #10 of 14
No problem, I hope that info helps you in your decision!

--k1tty
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Tofus
A Pent M is better than a Pent 4? See my last post. Obviously I really have lost touch with hardware...

Ok, so is a Pent M different than a Centrino or are they in the same family? Seems a number of manufacturers are pushing the new Core Duo (which I believe is in the Centrino family).

I just don't see how a Core Duo running at 2 GHz (even with dual core) can compare to a 3.x Ghz P4.
For me Pentium M is better than a Pentium 4. It runs cooler and faster in regards to the clock speeds.

Pentium M is the processor. Centrino is the technology that Intel markets with the ideology of saving more power using the combination of their chipset, wireless card, and Pentium M.

Try it and you will believe it
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Adinu: You hit the nail on the head for my frame of mind. "Clock doesn't mean performance". Like I said, I've been out of the loop on hardware for a while, so I was 'back in the good 'ol days' of one line of processor. Higher clock speed ALWAYS meant more horsepower.

Cool. Now on to the reviews to see the good and the bad.
post #13 of 14
Check out anandtech.com and tomshardware.com, they has some useful articles comparing the mobile processors to eachother and to desktop ones.
post #14 of 14
Ok here are some real options for you:

First if you liked your 17" HP, you'll like this new 17" hp, nx9000 series:

http://h71016.www7.hp.com/MiddleFram...D=19701&SBLID=

Core Duo (1.83GHZ), ATI X1600, only 7.5 pounds for $1650 - pretty good deal

If you want more gaming power, cheack out the dell xps m170:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...iMX170X1&s=dhs

That link I gave you inlcudes a $350 discount, and the final setup will round up to about $2200

3GHZ), Go 7800 GTX, 17" WUXGA, heavier than the HP and $500 more expensive..

Those are the best options for you right now, the big difference between them is the processor and the video card. The 7800 is about 40% better than the X1600 (maybe more), but the pentium M is not dual core.. bioth cards will run every game in the market easily, so in the end its a personal choice.. I'd probably go with th HP though
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