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post #41 of 50
Like so many others here have been experiencing the same issues with certain games on my M570A with an Audigy 2 ZS notebook. Oblivion was one of the games I remember have the distored the most. Just got Silent Hunter 4 and immediately experienced the same problems on the artillery training mission. It was one of the most distorted ones I have heard thus far. So I decided to give it another go at fixing the issue.

The first step was to completely clean off the existing creative drivers and applications. I uninstalled all creative applications in WinXP. I then booted into Safe mode, uninstalled the audigy 2 via the device manager and ran Drive Cleaner Pro.

With the drivers complete cleaned I rebooted to WinXP. WinXP was trying install drivers for the sound card. I clicked canceled on that window and proceeded to install from the audigy 2 install CD. After that was done I installed the 2.09.0016 driver. I also installed the mode utility. I then let WinXP reboot.

With the fresh install of the driver I tested SH4 on the artillery training mission. Same distortion was experienced.

The next test was to experiment with the drivers for PCMCIA controller. I got the latest driver off of Clevo's website. It is version 2.0.0.6 dated 7/6/2006. I rebooted and tried the experiment again. And got the same experiment. Would like to note that installing this driver only seemed to update the Integrated FlashMedia Controller.

So the next thing I did was try forcing different drivers for the PCMCIA controller, but nothing worked. I next tried switching to the generic driver. In order to do so I have to uninstall both the flash media device and the PCMCIA controller. I rebooted WinXP after doing so. After booting winXP was trying to install drivers for the Audigy 2 again. So removing the PCMCIA controller also uninstalled the driver for the audigy 2. I canceled out of the driver update window. I checked the driver for the PCMCIA controller. It said it was now the Generic PCMCIA driver. Looking at the driver date and version number it was exactly the same as before. Seems only the name of the driver changed from Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Cardbus Controller to Generic CardBus Controller. I proceeded to reninstall the 2.09.0016 audigy 2 driver. Upon rebooting I test again and the distortion was gone completely!

To be sure the audigy 2 was running in advanced mode I switched to standard mode and reran the test. The EAX sound effects were not present so I know it rerunning in advanced mode before. I switched back to advanced mode and ran the test again. The EAX sound effects were back, but so was the distortion. Some how the mode selection utility reset the audigy 2 thus reintroducing the distortion.

So I repeated uninstalled the PCMCIA uninstall driver experiment. Upon doing the same steps as before the test resulted in no distortion. I decided to shutdown the laptop and boot back into WinXP and try the test again. The distortion was back. At this point I knew there was not a hardware issue keeping advanced mode from working and it had to be a software issue. Read else were that some Audigy 2 users has success with disabling CTHelper.exe. Decided to try it and use msconfig to disable CTHelper.exe from loading at startup. Doing so required that I reboot. After reboot I ran the test again and the distortion was gone!

At this point need to reinstall Oblivion and see if the distorition is gone there. My results are some what inconclusive having tested only one game. At least I know I can get EAX working in SH4 which I plan on playing quite a bit. Also I can't really be certain if the clean driver installed had any affect. Perhaps some others here might be interested in performing there own tests. I will follow up with my Oblivion testing post later today.
post #42 of 50
Just did some testing in Oblivion. Didn't have any of my old save games so I could quickly revisit some of the places I recall having extreme distortion. I did play through the opening sequence which I recall had one definite spot with distortion. It was the area with the goblin shaman. I saved just before entering this area. I first went through with CTHELPER.EXE disabled via msconfig and I could only hear very very slight distortion for about half second while fighting a goblin. I then renabled CTHELPER.EXE in msconfig, rebooted and reloaded the area. The distortion was very noticable with CTHELPER.EXE running. I did look in the task manger to confirm that it was running.

Just to be 100% sure I disable CTHELPER.EXE in msconfig again, rebooted and loaded the save game. The distortion was gone. I would say that is fairly conclusive that CTHELPER.EXE should be disabled for those experiencing distortion with the audigy 2 ZS notebook pluged into the M570A. If it still doesn't work suggest a clean audigy 2 driver install via Driver Cleaner Pro.
post #43 of 50
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Very informative post LazerEdge. I checked and saw that I had disabled CTHelper some time ago but you probably have something there. I have noticed the distortion is much less in all games lately and I didn't know what it was that might have changed. I still get it during heavy battle scenes in FEAR but it's tolerable at least. It used to make the games unplayable.

Your troubleshooting scenario is pretty much what I had tried and I do recall running on a bare driver install with none of the Creative add ins without success but I don't recall specifically if CTHelper was running or not during those tests. I must have disabled it last year some time during a routine house cleaning operation. It's completely unnecessary.
post #44 of 50
My guess is the are some rare occasions where the bandwidth of the PCMCIA controller is exceeded. I wonder if using the feature mode selection utility to select 24-bit/48kHz would lower the bandwidth required? Most games use a maximum sampling of 48kHz anyway. Don't have any further good tests to see if this would help.
post #45 of 50
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Still haven't had any problems lately. I installed Vista and played some battlefield 2 and half life 2 with no sound issues yet.
post #46 of 50
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Having used Vista more extensively on this laptop over the past few months I understand that the reason these sound issues are not as bad in Vista is due to the fact that Vista doesn't take full advantage of Creative's hardware and that EAX is nonexistent anyway. The card works very well under Vista and even with games but obviously games will take a performance hit over XP and may only offer the same quality sound as the on board audio but without the hissing.

On the other hand the hissing problem in this laptop is so bad it's worth using an external audio source just to eliminate that.
post #47 of 50
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As it turns out Creative has finally acknowledged the problem we have been having with the Audigy2ZS and these notebooks. Even though they actually replaced my card at no cost last year it turns out it isn't Creative's fault at all.

It is actually bandwidth issues with certain combinations of hardware found in notebooks and Creative's solution is to provide a software add on that can selectively turn off several advanced features that cause the problems and reduce the PCMCIA bandwidth used.

The downside is that the disabled features include hardware audio rendering in games and CMSS 2.

If you are running Vista, many of these features are turned off anyway so you may not have the problem anymore.

The full explanation and download link can be found on Creative's website here:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products...=compatibility

I only wish I had known about this and the other issue I posted about today when I first started running this notebook. It would have saved me and others many many hours of aggrevation.
post #48 of 50
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Creative has finally acknowledged this problem although it's not their fault.

A solution and explanation can be found on their website here:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products...=compatibility

This also is the reason why the problem isn't as bad in Vista. Vista doesn't make use of many of the advanced capabilities of the A2ZS so the bandwidth issue doesn't come into play as easily.
post #49 of 50
Thread Starter 
Creative has finally acknowledged the problem although it's not their fault.

They have posted a full explanation and a downloadable solution at their website here:

http://www.soundblaster.com/products...=compatibility

Vista doesn't take full advantage of the capability of the card so bandwidth issues don't come into play as easily.
post #50 of 50
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Sorry for the repeat posts, there was something wrong that day and the forum page kept crashing three times in a row when I posted. They must have registered somehow and posted later on. Strange.
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