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QDI screen - looks cool - but only the first look

post #1 of 56
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Well, I played some games with the greysh-black textures and appart finding a bright pixel I noticed something interesting about this QDI screen which does not make me too too happy - actually if there are any tones of pastel colors, especially dark (dark grey, black) you can see something like a background of the LCD screen which looks like a wrinkled paper - like little maps (exactly like when rain gets dry on your windows and you look straight through it. You can see everything bright, but there are maps on the background It gives kind of washed out look to everything especially if working with dark tones of the pictures or anything else...ehm much more disturbing than any grey lines guys!!

From this point of view the QDI is absolutely useless for dark textures.
post #2 of 56
Heh I did say there were problems with the QD ones.
Ok my samsung screen is actually pretty bright and if the grey lines are there i they don't bother me.
post #3 of 56
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Originally Posted by CoolHotCold
Heh I did say there were problems with the QD ones.
Ok my samsung screen is actually pretty bright and if the grey lines are there i they don't bother me.
Honestly? The QDI screen in action is the biggest dissapointment really. EVerything looks like under a grey powder when working with night textures or dark pastel colours so the brightness and no lines take their toll on other stuff. I dunno really but my new love might be coming back to the store on Tuesday...cause this is not something I really want to spend a fortune...
post #4 of 56
137 look at Rock Direct. You can't be dissapointed with theirs
post #5 of 56
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Originally Posted by CoolHotCold
137 look at Rock Direct. You can't be dissapointed with theirs
Yep, that might be something for me. Actually I played with some Catalyst settings and thought it had improved the screen quality, but... it looks like a dirt or basically all the piuctures or textures in the dark and night are like under the film - completely grainy!! I played with gamma - absolutely no improvements, I played with every single setting, I still can see these maps on the background...that is a shame - there is not othe laptop with such qualities on the market right now....

Is there anybody esle with the QDI screen experiencing grainy textures when it comes to dark? It literally is like fil, grain! I am very curious if I am not doing something wrong with the settings. This is the only thing that keeps me from keeping thje laptop. If I can get this solved (there must be some settings) I am gonna keep it even though I get some buzzing here and there.., not really loud.
post #6 of 56
I have the QDI screen and have no problems with it. I'm not sure i understand what the problem is that you are having.
post #7 of 56
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Originally Posted by Falafel
I have the QDI screen and have no problems with it. I'm not sure i understand what the problem is that you are having.
Well, here is the problem:

when in the game or watching still pictures with bit darker tones of grey or black or basicaly any other not clearly bright color (mostly with textures) I can see like little shapes or flakes of darker and lighter tone of the color in the background. When I move th epicture throughout the screen the "background texture of the physical screen" stays on the same place, I think it is graphic card related, because if having clear black, it is clear black, if having dark grey texture - this like film grain appears, if moving the texture the grain stays in the background... I hope it is understandable. I really need help with this. It also happened to me that when gaming on the right corner of the screen just white stripe appeared suddenlu with some digitalised white squares appearing and dissapearing. It seems to me like graphic card related issue...
post #8 of 56
Yes you could have a malfunctioning video card or your video memory is bad.
post #9 of 56
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Originally Posted by Falafel
Yes you could have a malfunctioning video card or your video memory is bad.
So woth your screen you do not expreience any problems? Simply said, if I play a game with a night or dark sceen, it looks like a grainy photograph, no matter what settings. I tried to update the video driver, it is just that tha dark tones are made of weird textures, that appear like they keep the position when moving the textures around the screen - they do not go with, like stay in the background....
post #10 of 56
You mean the screen doesn't refresh properly? You see ghosting?

No I don't have any problems with my screen or laptop. Everything is functioning just fine.

If you are seeing colored squares that shouldn't be appearing that usally happens with over clocked VGA or with bad video memory.
post #11 of 56
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Originally Posted by Falafel
You mean the screen doesn't refresh properly? You see ghosting?

No I don't have any problems with my screen or laptop. Everything is functioning just fine.

If you are seeing colored squares that shouldn't be appearing that usally happens with over clocked VGA or with bad video memory.
I do not see ghosting, I see like grain on the background on the screen...The squares appeared just once...but could be a bad sign?? It is not overclocked, but can be the memory problem...
post #12 of 56
It's not the problem with the screen - it's driver issue. I had the same problem with Samsung screen and Omega driver (based on 6.3) - now I'm back to original for a while and the problem has gone. I know exactly what you mean - it's the noise in the shadows - there is no noise when Windows are loading and then it appears when the driver is starting. I can't belive that the others haven't noticed anything yet. I'm pretty sure that everybody have the same issue... Maybe you just tweak your screen too much and cut all the details in the shadows, as you usually do it in highlights...
post #13 of 56
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Originally Posted by jaad75
It's not the problem with the screen - it's driver issue. I had the same problem with Samsung screen and Omega driver (based on 6.3) - now I'm back to original for a while and the problem has gone. I know exactly what you mean - it's the noise in the shadows - there is no noise when Windows are loading and then it appears when the driver is starting. I can't belive that the others haven't noticed anything yet. I'm pretty sure that everybody have the same issue... Maybe you just tweak your screen too much and cut all the details in the shadows, as you usually do it in highlights...
Yeeeees!!!! It is exactly what you are saying!!!! It is it! Well, except I do have the original drivers just updated with those from ACER ftp and cant get rid of the problem... Actually, many people cant see it, because if not looking to simplier textures with shadows...it is difficult to see. For instance with the 3DMark05 demos, you barely see it!! But otherwise it is there

How did you solve the problem?? WHat did you exactly do? Please help!! But I am still concerned about the white squares on the right corner, which appeared just once, but Falafel mentioned they might mean bad memory or so...

P.S. Absolutely no tweaks, everything is in the default settings and all the dakr textures are full of the nosie. Even light grey fields have like grain ..
post #14 of 56
Hey 137,

Sent mine back to Acer for the exact same problem with the QD screen as you mention. With dark colors, especially dark gray you get mottling (Splotches). I couldn't put up with it as the applications I use generally having backgrounds which fall within these colors. The crazy thing is you can adjust brightness and contrast to get rid of them for one color but then it still happens with another color. Basically you will never truly get rid of it. I sent my notebook back with the wallpaper on a gray that should the splotches all over the screen. I have asked for the screen to be fixed, I said I don't care which screen you use just make sure there is no gray lines, rippling or splotches or light leakage (Which the QD suffered horrible from). To be honest I just wish I could get rid of this thing, it has been nothing but trouble, an expensive mistake!!!!!!!.

Enlighten
post #15 of 56
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Originally Posted by enlighten
Hey 137,

Sent mine back to Acer for the exact same problem with the QD screen as you mention. With dark colors, especially dark gray you get mottling (Splotches). I couldn't put up with it as the applications I use generally having backgrounds which fall within these colors. The crazy thing is you can adjust brightness and contrast to get rid of them for one color but then it still happens with another color. Basically you will never truly get rid of it. I sent my notebook back with the wallpaper on a gray that should the splotches all over the screen. I have asked for the screen to be fixed, I said I don't care which screen you use just make sure there is no gray lines, rippling or splotches or light leakage (Which the QD suffered horrible from). To be honest I just wish I could get rid of this thing, it has been nothing but trouble, an expensive mistake!!!!!!!.

Enlighten
Mine getting back tomorrow for the full refund. I will not even use the 7 bussines days for trying. SPlotches on the screen, buzzing card (with Omega drivers, the buzzing is even muuuuch louder wioth any 3D app) plus stuck pixels and very cheap feeling of the lid... I think trying really enjoy four of the 8204s this is really enough. I need a laptop that I can rley on, not be expecting every minute what troubles I will experince more. Nice specs but crucial things done very bad. As you have said - very expensive mistake.

By the way by the time I was buying it all of the resellers and even the distributors warned me not to buy ACER. I have had my 8104 send to repair service like 4 times, and now 4 of 8204s...that sucks.

I am thinking of either nx9420 or T60p, but price and portwise the HP rocks, I am not quite sure about the built, but it certainly has BrightView screen and X1600 and it is just about one inch longer than the 8204!

So I am not alone in this stupid game ACER is playing....
post #16 of 56
137, I don't mean anything bad by saying this, but this is probably the best decision. I don't think you should have purchased the 137 in the first place as you knew it had some issues (buzzing noise) which would have annoyed you enough to drive you crazy. Some people have lucked out and found an 8204 that works for them with no issues. I hope the HP or Thinkpad you choose are problem free. Good luck on your next purchase.
post #17 of 56
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Originally Posted by 137
Yeeeees!!!! It is exactly what you are saying!!!! It is it! Well, except I do have the original drivers just updated with those from ACER ftp and cant get rid of the problem... Actually, many people cant see it, because if not looking to simplier textures with shadows...it is difficult to see. For instance with the 3DMark05 demos, you barely see it!! But otherwise it is there

How did you solve the problem?? WHat did you exactly do? Please help!! But I am still concerned about the white squares on the right corner, which appeared just once, but Falafel mentioned they might mean bad memory or so...

P.S. Absolutely no tweaks, everything is in the default settings and all the dakr textures are full of the nosie. Even light grey fields have like grain ..
I didn't mean that YOU tweaked your screen. I think that maybe some people can't see the problem because THEY tweak the settings so much that they just lost all the details in deep shadows. All the settings that should "improve" the screen appearance that I have seen on this site so far, are based on cutting the details in highlights or shadows. They are useless if you are going to do any photoediting! You can tweak the gamma but if you touch brightness or contrast you'll just cut the tonal range (which is very narrow in any LCD screen anyway).
Described issue seems to be related to ATI driver (Catalyst 6.3 for sure, I don't know if 6.2 and 6.4 also). It disappeared completely when I came back to my original Acer driver (which is based on 6.1, I belive). You said that your 8204 is 0306 so I think that you may have newer driver installed originally (if you have the same problem with original driver). Acer's newest drivers are based on Catalyst 6.3 so there will be the same problem as with original ATI and Omega drivers. So basically if you want to resolve the problem just install old Acer or ATI driver (6.1) or try if they fix something with Catalyst 6.4.
post #18 of 56
Some people are designed for certain laptops, others simply are not compatible.

For me, the 8204 has been perfect. I reliably get between 3 and 4 hours battery life, great performance from the comp, and I am personally very happy with the build of the thing.

Just an FYI - carbon fiber is not meant to be strong, it is meant to be light. Carbon fiber liders are not "sturdy" compared to being "light" and "tough"


Perhaps you are just higher maintenance than others

I have seen Dells, Toshibas, Sonys and HPs in person. THe HP seemed built like a brick, TOshiba was crap, as was Sony. Dell was a chunky block as well. None compared to the 8204
post #19 of 56
So is this problem with the QD screen fixable? I wish people had mentioned it before as we have been talking about the grey lines on the Samsung for over a month now.
post #20 of 56
I believe we've only had 2 reports of people having problems with the QD screen. 137's problem might not having anything to do with the QD screen or it might. We just simply don't know, and the only way to find out is if it is replaced by another QD screen and the problems disappear.

The other person with the QD screen had light leakage problems.

There are a few others including me that have no issues with the QD screen.
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