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post #21 of 56
4/17/06 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by indiekiduk
So is this problem with the QD screen fixable? I wish people had mentioned it before as we have been talking about the grey lines on the Samsung for over a month now.
Again - this is not the problem with QD screen! You can see it on LT screen also, but only if you update ATI driver.
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post #22 of 56
4/17/06 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by jaad75
Again - this is not the problem with QD screen! You can see it on LT screen also, but only if you update ATI driver.
Tried all the drivers whatsoever. It does not seem to be a problem of drivers actually, because - the splotches stay on the same spot while moving the textures and graphics through them!! Should it be graphic card, then it would move with! But it remains on the same position of the screen all the time.

Grpahic card is just dummy digital engine that works or not, but does not produce any noise or grain.

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post #23 of 56
4/17/06 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by jaad75
Again - this is not the problem with QD screen! You can see it on LT screen also, but only if you update ATI driver.
Actually - it might be correct, because if moving textures throught the splotches few times immediately, the form and shape of the splotches change!!! So it either has something with the LCD nmatively or it is driver related, but then it really sucks for everybody
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post #24 of 56
4/17/06 at 8:58pm
I'm pretty sure that it's a driver thing. When I upgraded to Omega 6.3 for the first time I've noticed noise in the shadows immediately after driver started. 3D Mark scores were impressive, but that noise was unacceptable (at least for me). Right now I've reinstalled the system so I have original (based on 6.1) Acer driver and no noise at all. I posted this issue on forum right after Omega 6.3 drivers showed up but only one person (beside of you) confirmed it so far. I think that everybody has the same problem, but not everybody is so sensitive to noise. Love is blind BTW.
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post #25 of 56
4/17/06 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by jaad75
I'm pretty sure that it is driver thing. When I upgraded to Omega 6.3 for the first time I've noticed noise in the shadows immediately after driver started. 3D Mark scores were impressive, but that noise was unacceptable (at least for me). Right now I've reinstalled the system so I have original (based on 6.1) Acer driver and no noise at all. I posted this issue on forum right after Omega 6.3 drivers showed up but only one person (beside of you) confirmed it so far. I think that everybody has the same problem, but not everybody is so sensitive to noise. Love is blind BTW.

Well, I just do not have the drivers and the notebook is packed with factory settings installed waiting to go to the store tomorrow anyways. It started buzzing wherever it could, even when just selecting files, that sucks. Plus it is bit expensive for such a piece of puzzle the end user needs to tweak in order to use it normally. I mean the noise was absolutely unacceptable, no matter the ATI settings. Just too big grain and the problem is: WHEN MOVING PICTURES, THE NOISE / GRAIN DOESNT MOVE!!!! So this makes me feel kind of not sure if it was not the screens behaviour. Because it was completely ussles in games and photos...little child would say it was like tons of dirt on the display...
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post #26 of 56
4/18/06 at 2:22pm
This reply is a bit late but this is directed to TaY. You mention that some people are designed for certain laptops and others are simply not compatible. This does not apply to the 8204, we are talking about fundamental problems with the screen and buzzing from the graphics card. This is not just a matter of personal preference, or who knows maybe some people like faulty screens and buzzing. That's great that yours works perfectly I am sure you would have a very different opinion if there was problems with the screen and buzzing. To imply that 137 is perhaps higher maintenance is ludicrous, I am totally behind you 137 you should not have to just except faulty goods.

Enlighten
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post #27 of 56
4/18/06 at 2:36pm
Hey Jaad75,

The splotches I had with the QD screen were present with all of the various graphics drivers (Omega and default factory set up). You are right that at certain times the noise seems to go away but it just ends up being present on other colors. I use Combustion, 3DS Max and Photoshop. Now let me explain exactly what happens. Say I open 3DS Max, the viewports and menus have loads of noise (splotches). I would then go into brightness and contrast settings. If you tweaked the settings the noise would disappear. But then say I load up Combustion, surprise!!!, there is noise and splotches all over the interface. Now again!!!, if I tweak the brightness and contrast the noise disappears, but guess what, go back to 3DS Max and there it is noise and splotches everywhere. Basically to cut a long story short, tweaking the settings in the ATI control panel would solve the problem for one color, but then it would show up in another. You may say, is this a software related issue, but it is not, I tried the same thing with the wallpaper and I had the exact same problem. Since I use these programs day in and day out, I could not put up with the screen. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they fix it this time.

Enlighten
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post #28 of 56
4/18/06 at 4:32pm
I'm not sure if you have the same kind of problem... Actually, I've never had any "splotches", just a noise. You clould see it on "black" background in the movies or in some games for example. Let's say, in intro video scene in Quake 4 (it's quite dark) you can see something like a "dust" on camera lenses. To be honest, when I saw that noise for the first time (right after new installed Omega started and the screen went blank) I thought that my screen is dusted (from the inside?)... That's how it looked like actually, so I think that my case is the same as 137's. It was very rare to get pure black - in most cases I had noise, but Windows loading screen (before 6.3 driver started) was pure black of course. My problem has gone when I came back to original driver, so I'm sure that it's driver related. And again: I have LT screen, so it's not "QD only" issue.
I mentioned that issue here:
http://www.notebookforums.com/showth...88#post1926988
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post #29 of 56
4/18/06 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by enlighten
Hey Jaad75,

The splotches I had with the QD screen were present with all of the various graphics drivers (Omega and default factory set up). You are right that at certain times the noise seems to go away but it just ends up being present on other colors. I use Combustion, 3DS Max and Photoshop. Now let me explain exactly what happens. Say I open 3DS Max, the viewports and menus have loads of noise (splotches). I would then go into brightness and contrast settings. If you tweaked the settings the noise would disappear. But then say I load up Combustion, surprise!!!, there is noise and splotches all over the interface. Now again!!!, if I tweak the brightness and contrast the noise disappears, but guess what, go back to 3DS Max and there it is noise and splotches everywhere. Basically to cut a long story short, tweaking the settings in the ATI control panel would solve the problem for one color, but then it would show up in another. You may say, is this a software related issue, but it is not, I tried the same thing with the wallpaper and I had the exact same problem. Since I use these programs day in and day out, I could not put up with the screen. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they fix it this time.

Enlighten
You might be right, actually what you are describing is exactly what it was in my case! Exactly. I hardly could get pure black or dark grey. The only weird thing was, that when moving the picture around the screen, the "dust on the screen" remained the same... very weird. Saw only at Acer laptops (very similar problem with my 8104 before, just far less noticeable...
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post #30 of 56
4/18/06 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by enlighten
Hey Jaad75,

The splotches I had with the QD screen were present with all of the various graphics drivers (Omega and default factory set up). You are right that at certain times the noise seems to go away but it just ends up being present on other colors. I use Combustion, 3DS Max and Photoshop. Now let me explain exactly what happens. Say I open 3DS Max, the viewports and menus have loads of noise (splotches). I would then go into brightness and contrast settings. If you tweaked the settings the noise would disappear. But then say I load up Combustion, surprise!!!, there is noise and splotches all over the interface. Now again!!!, if I tweak the brightness and contrast the noise disappears, but guess what, go back to 3DS Max and there it is noise and splotches everywhere. Basically to cut a long story short, tweaking the settings in the ATI control panel would solve the problem for one color, but then it would show up in another. You may say, is this a software related issue, but it is not, I tried the same thing with the wallpaper and I had the exact same problem. Since I use these programs day in and day out, I could not put up with the screen. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they fix it this time.

Enlighten
I second that - absolutely unacceptable, very poor screen. No fix whatsoever via software, at least in my case. No luck. Keep my fingers crossed for you Enlighten, but I guess people should be warned that screenwise this laptop is a piece of crap. No matter what kind of default ACER screen has. Pardon my French...
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post #31 of 56
4/18/06 at 5:36pm
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Acer: very bad experience repeatedly over long time.

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Originally Posted by enlighten
This reply is a bit late but this is directed to TaY. You mention that some people are designed for certain laptops and others are simply not compatible. This does not apply to the 8204, we are talking about fundamental problems with the screen and buzzing from the graphics card. This is not just a matter of personal preference, or who knows maybe some people like faulty screens and buzzing. That's great that yours works perfectly I am sure you would have a very different opinion if there was problems with the screen and buzzing. To imply that 137 is perhaps higher maintenance is ludicrous, I am totally behind you 137 you should not have to just except faulty goods.

Enlighten
Thanks Enlighten,

actually the laptop is back and my money in the bank, I am having a look at the new nx9420 tomorrow at the HP demo center.

Just my two cents...I have been an Acer customer for years, really. Last two laptops were everything but reliable machines. Acer never could fix my 8104 and it took four 8204s to get the described parameters even then I got a laptop with stuck pixel, shitty screen and buzzing when even selecting icons...Not to forget that every single out of these four 8204s had stuck pixels and none of them was buzz free, two of them with very poor build (twisted platic) and other issues.

I do not think it is correct to be hoping for being lucky when buying $2500 laptop. That thing should sing!! The icing on the cake is, that every single from official resellers who was selling me the laptop was warning me not to buy ACER high end product. ACER never could explain what was going on and even when they admited it, they carry on with selling the faulty batches. No magazine is gonna write badˇ(=real things) about them, because ACER pay nice money for advertising on their pages. No, sorry guys, this is unfortunatelly truth.

On the other hand I accept Falafel and other guys who made the decision and did not look back over the shoulder, just try to enjoy their travel mates. Why not. I understand everybody needs to be persuaded he or she did well making decision, especially such thing like to keep akmost 2500 USD lappy of discutable quality and having it fixed, getting unrepaired and repeating this torture several times. No offense, I just do not think it is right from customers point of view.

I do not accept under any cicumnstances that there are certain people for certain laptops. I think ACER is playing with fire if puting its reputation to chance by such crap. They do not sell what is advertised, the laptops have major issues and they leave it unsolved for like 4 months. The product shoudl comply with some safety and quality standards.

For me it was very expensive mistake and am happy could return it. I got my lesson. Call me too too picky if I want a laptop that does not need to go to the repair service straight out of the box. Laptop that does not have any buzzing, has poor screen quality and needs tons of tweaks and consultations plus a lot of acceptance form the side of customer in order to live with it.

ACER lives from the low end TMs and ASPIRES (while returning my 8204 today, three of ASPIRES 3004 got sold there in 45 minutes!!!). They go for quantity nto uality, at least that is what the reality shows.

Anybody having not faulty products, I keep my fingers crossed it lasts long and reliable. For those who have troubles, I am sorry, maybe it is some sign of which way to go.

cheers guys
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post #32 of 56
4/18/06 at 7:23pm
Sad but true... This is my fourth notebook and it's certainly first and last from Acer . I have never had so many problems with any computer before... My 11 years old Compaq Contura has less issues than this so called "high end" machine... On my 3 years old Gateway I reinstalled system only once and it was because I wanted to, not because I had to (I'm after third system reinstallation on 8204 this month). 8204 looks nice and tech specs are great but it is so unstable and full of bugs that it's just unbeliveble. I feel like a beta tester, and that's simply not fair... I cannot return it, so I'm gonna use it for couple of months (at least), but lesson's learned: NEVER BUY ANYTHING FROM ACER!
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post #33 of 56
4/18/06 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by jaad75
8204 looks nice and tech specs are great but it is so unstable and full of bugs that it's just unbeliveble. I feel like a beta tester, and that's simply not fair...
What bugs do you speak of?
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post #34 of 56
4/18/06 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by TaY
What bugs do you speak of?
So far: screen (light leakage, dark corners, grey lines), GPU (buzzing), webcam, bluetooth phone, smart card... and many more... e.g. I had to connect antenna wires to wireless adapter because Acer "forgot" to do it!!!
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post #35 of 56
4/18/06 at 8:31pm
Uh, I didn't ignore the problems. In fact I sent my the laptop to Acer and they repaired it and now the laptop is perfect. I have ZERO issues with it and it has been running perfectly since Acer fixed it. I kept it because there are no other laptops with the same specs, the specs that I wanted.

There are always people who will get the fualty laptop. It is just a fact. Find me one company who didn't have a customer like jaad75 or 137. Every company is going to have customers who get faulty products, that is just the way it is with electronics.

I understand the frustration and disappointment you had, but in all honestly it is your fault. You knew that certain supplies of the 8204 were faulty and yet you still took a risk. No need to piss on Acer when you were warned. Yes you shouldn't have to pay for a faulty laptop, but that's a risk you were willing to take. Which a lot of us did. Some of us kept the laptop, and others returned it.

I would buy Acer again.

Btw, there have been people with MacBook Pro's that have completely stopped functioning after 7 days. Powersupplies shorting or catching on fire. How about that for problems?
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post #36 of 56
4/18/06 at 9:25pm
When I bought mine there was nobody who complained about this model. I've read couple of reviews and I thought that this beauty is perfect for me. I bought it on e-bay from Canada and I paid ~$2100 with shipping, sealed in the box and I was happy because I thought it was a good deal... I have 1 year Acer's warranty, but I think I'll wait until they resolve the most of issues and I hope to get replacement. Also, I hope that most of software related issues can be resolved soon. Right now, I'm trying to work using this crap but it is really frustrating... Most of the time I'm fighting with bugs, driver conflicts etc.. I would forgive Acer some issues, I was able to resolve a few by myself, but it is really too much. And don't tell me that it is just a bad batch - Acer is simply poor, cheap company... I've heard about it for a couple of years (poor cases, screens, keyboards, software, service etc.), but I've never belive it - now I know for sure. Face the truth.
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post #37 of 56
4/18/06 at 9:51pm
Face the truth? I don't have the same experience as you, and other don't as well. I have no driver, Webcam, or software issues that you speak of. You got a bad egg, and you're upset. Why didn't you return it for a refund or exchange it? 137 returned his and now he'll be happy camper with the HP laptop.
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post #38 of 56
4/18/06 at 10:05pm
Driver, webcam or software issues? driver conflicts? first time ive heard that on this forum.
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post #39 of 56
4/19/06 at 4:54am
Back to the topic - I just received back my 8204 with QDI screen and I notice this problem as well.

You can see the problem on the background of this website, where I just downloaded the hibernation patch:

http://www.thegamebooks.com/ezdloads.php

The background is not a solid color (as it should be) but rather grainy pattern that doesn't change when moving the browser window! The pattern is static and changes when you tweak the gamma settings.

Can someone try and tell me if that is the same with the LT screen? By the way, I am using the stock driver and settings with a gamma of 0.95.
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post #40 of 56
4/19/06 at 5:18am
It looks similar, but it is far less intensive, and "grain" is smaller. I wouldn't worry about it, because right now I can see it too, even if I don't have mentioned noise with current driver. Try Omega 6.3 and check blank screen when driver starts, or just black background in movies - it wasn't pure black in my case...
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