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post #1 of 18
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i wonder how long it will take for hd dvds and blu rays to become mainstream? how long did it take for dvds to become mainstream? i remember when dvd players were like the really awesome new technology of the day and would sell for $200 or so dollars and now you can buy one for like $20-- dvd players i mean. i wonder how long it will take hd dvd and blu ray players to drop like 90% in price, when or if they do drops down that low, thats when im getting one
post #2 of 18
DVD-burners used to be over $1000 when first released. I think it's all fine and good as long as it's all cheap.
post #3 of 18
3 years to drop in price, 5 years to be the same as DVDs are today
post #4 of 18
HD DVD is now only around 500 for a player. That is really cheap for a first gen unit of a new technology. I am holding out for blue gay technology.
post #5 of 18
i still dont have a dvd burner.... have dvd-roms though alright.
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
HD DVD is now only around 500 for a player. That is really cheap for a first gen unit of a new technology. I am holding out for blue gay technology.
post #7 of 18
boycott blue ray!!!

The copy guard protection in the blue ray is now in Vista and it makes watching a blue ray movie from yor PC a garbled mess!! unless of course you spend over 1000 dollars on a non existant montior that will encode and NOT allow copying of the blue ray......

Bah hosehockey!!!!
post #8 of 18
I'll probably get a PS3 and they'll probably have HD or Blu Ray...and for the rumored prices of the the PS3, it's fairly resonable. (those are just rumors tho)
post #9 of 18
PS3 will have Blu-Ray... it is Sony's format after all (and thats one of the reasons its so blasted expensive)

I for one think Blu-Ray is going to lose out, and Sony's possibly going to be in serious trouble financially because of it
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by The Anaconda
and Sony's possibly going to be in serious trouble financially because of it
nah... same thing happened with Betamax
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by JinXed
nah... same thing happened with Betamax
sony was doing fine at the time of Betamax tho. theyre already going to be selling the PS3 at a significant loss because of the sheer costs of the unit and too high and people wont buy it, and the gaming division of Sony is the only one thats really turned a profit over the last few years, their other divisions have been getting losses in the millions. add to that the PSP is starting to turn up as a flop (UMD-video is almost completely abandoned now), and UMD support planned for the PS3 is likely to be removed
post #12 of 18
For all of you that are not aware of the technolgy behind HD-DVD and Blu-Ray I will post some insight.

Blu-Ray currently is a superior technology due to the fact that the discs have the ability to hold more data than an HD-DVD discs.

Although I am not a big fan of Sony I think they have a good development in Blu-Ray. It is projected that within a couple of years they can mass produce an eight layer Blu-Ray disc that will have a 250GB capacity!!!

HD-DVD's also hold a lot of info, but currently Blu-Ray discs hold more. So from a storage perspective Blu-Ray is better. However, HD-DVD might win the battle since Blu-Ray has experienced significant delays. The current Toshiba HD-DVD player is not all that great (Toshiba rushed it and cut too many corners). So in the end both technologies might actually survive.
post #13 of 18
One of the main good things about HD DVD is that it uses the same laser as current DVD tech which in turn allows easy convertibility of current production lines. Blu-Ray is completely new...thus more expensive.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by XPSM140Guy
One of the main good things about HD DVD is that it uses the same laser as current DVD tech which in turn allows easy convertibility of current production lines. Blu-Ray is completely new...thus more expensive.
And Sony wants to try and mainstream Blu-Ray with the PS3.

Microsoft endorses HD-DVD.

I want silent drives. They need to make those. I could care less about the extra space.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
well, speaking of the ps3, i would assume that millions of ps3 fanboys will go out and pre-order or sleep in front of bb or something for them, thus "having?" blu ray players.
look what happened with vhs, they are still around but there are like more dvds now. would any of you guys say that will happen with hd dvd or b-ray, because if they have such a huge holding cap then they would put stuff like 500 hours of bonus never before seen footage, commentary tracks, i can go on...people are into that stuff. also i think sony can MAKE people buy it since they control like half of what you see on tv.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by XPSM140Guy
One of the main good things about HD DVD is that it uses the same laser as current DVD tech which in turn allows easy convertibility of current production lines. Blu-Ray is completely new...thus more expensive.
Thats actually an incorrect statement. Both Blu Ray and HD-DVD use a blue laser, dvds use a red one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
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The name Blu-ray is derived from the blue-violet laser it uses to read and write to the disc. A Blu-ray disc will be able to store substantially more data than a DVD, because of the shorter wavelength (405 nm) of the read-laser (DVDs use a 650-nm-wavelength red laser and CD's 780 nm).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD
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HD DVD (High Density Digital Versatile Disc or High Definition Digital Video Disc) is a digital optical media format which is being developed as one standard for high-definition DVD. HD DVD is similar to the competing Blu-ray Disc, which also uses the same CD-size (120 mm diameter) optical data storage media and 405 nm wavelength blue laser.
The reason HD-DVD is cheaper to produce than Blu-Ray is because HD-DVD uses some of the same manufacturing processes as normal DVDs, while blu ray does not.

The different laser for both formats does not mean that you cannot produce players which play DVDs, burn dvds, play blu ray and burn blu ray, all in one, as that already exists (for a mere 900$ in a computer, its in the above linked article).

Both devices have experienced delays. HD-DVD was supposed to be fully released in december of 05, and blu-ray in 2006. Well, its almost mid 2006, and there are precious few movies available in hd-dvd.


The "garbled" ness discussed above was probably a reference to HDCP support, which at the moment is a problem, but will likely be remedied in the near future. (I have a very hard time swallowing the idea that sony would release blu-ray without support on any monitor or video card older than 1 month).


Another cool note: Blu-Ray discs require the java runtime environment on their players, allowing for truly interactive menus and such (perhaps even games or stuff, who knows) in your "dvd" experience. They also have a special coating on the discs, making them highly impervious to scratches and day-to-day handling.

I personally think blu-ray will win this one, partially due to the PS3. But, time will tell.
post #17 of 18
if 8-layer blue-ray be as DL dvds, we will wait a whiiiiiiiile.
post #18 of 18
personally, I don't like either because my DVD upscaling player does just fine, but if I had to get one I would get HD-DVD because when I get the 65nm X360, I'll just get HD-DVD support while I'm at it
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