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post #1 of 22
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I have an older Compaq Presario desktop pc that keeps having boot problems. Several times in the past couple of years it has had problems booting up. It gives a file missing error message. I have to use the Windows XP OS disk to repair the problems. It will normally keep doing this randomly until I have to reinstall the XP OS fully. The computer is now a P3 1.1GH cpu. I began life as a 667 Mz Celeron CPU. My kids play on this computer and I really don't want to replace it now. Does anyone have any suggestions? The Model is a 5BW130. It was a cheap base model unit, that I have replaced the CPU, added a video card, another HD and more memory and installed Windows XP.

Thanks for any suggestions offered.

John
post #2 of 22
try running memtest? Alot of times boot errors are memory related.
post #3 of 22
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Thanks.............I'm running it now. It must take a while to run.
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by jetmech1
Thanks.............I'm running it now. It must take a while to run.
yeah, typically people let it run overnight so it can make a few passes.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by jetmech1
I have an older Compaq Presario desktop pc that keeps having boot problems. Several times in the past couple of years it has had problems booting up. It gives a file missing error message.
Could indicate a file system problem. Hard drive is probably producing bad sectors and could be going. This would be the case especially if it keeps doing it when you reboot. It can't read the data. I would think memory problems would be random and disappear when you reboot.
post #6 of 22
One other thing that may show if it is the memory is a reinstall. XP uses the memory a lot when it is installing, and if something is wrong with it it may show up then, usually witha bluescreen or an error reading a file/dll.

Though memtest should be able to find out as well.

I do also agree with the thought that it may be the hard drive. If you can find out who the manufacturer is of the drive then see if you can find their software for hard drive testing. Though as a start run defrag.

Also see if you can run the system file checker (sfc /scannow). Might find something.
post #7 of 22
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Thanks for the replies. MEMTEST ran for 10 hours and did not find anything. The HD is what I'm thinking also, becuase this computer likes to eat HD's for some reason. I wonder why? I run disk check and defragmentor often on all my computers.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by jetmech1
Thanks for the replies. MEMTEST ran for 10 hours and did not find anything. The HD is what I'm thinking also, becuase this computer likes to eat HD's for some reason. I wonder why? I run disk check and defragmentor often on all my computers.
You may have a bad power supply or bad connection on the 12 volt side. I have run into this a few times where the power supply will conk out and your drive will momentarily flicker on/off for a split second. This can cause the heads to crash. Time for a new PSU or new system.
post #9 of 22
The power problem could also reside in the wiring in your house. For example, the wiring in my dorm is awful. Everytime the refridgerator kicks ok, it spikes the power and my desktop would freze. Something similar could be happening on your end. I bought a UPS and the problem was solved.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by mr. roboto
The power problem could also reside in the wiring in your house. For example, the wiring in my dorm is awful. Everytime the refridgerator kicks ok, it spikes the power and my desktop would freze. Something similar could be happening on your end. I bought a UPS and the problem was solved.
Good point, but I have 2 others computers running on the same circuit as this one and they don't have problems.

Could the problem be heat? I have 2 fans in the computer, but I have 2 HD's bracketed together in this computer. This computer was a cheap computer to begin with and I have tweaked it a lot to get it to perform well. It has served well, but I was hoping for little more life out of it.
post #11 of 22
I highly doubt it's heat.
post #12 of 22
Here are some things to consider. Apologies in advance if you've already worked through them all:

- You could be looking at some sort of spyware/malware/virus mucking with the files on disk. There are a number of free or inexpensive anti-spyware and anti-virus tools out there; it might be worth running a scan.

- This could be a disk going bad. You could try running tools to scan the disk, though, since you say you've had problems with hard disks in the past, that seems less likely.

- It could be a bad I/O controller or chipset. Things like this can be very hard to isolate and track down. Things to look at include the temperature at/around the northbridge. You can also try running benchmarking and stress tools like Prime95 (http://www.mersenne.org/); when I was having stability problems on my last machine, Prime95 would die pretty consistently very early on. It was a good parakeet. You can also try games like putting a hard drive on a different computer to see whether it acts up there, but of course, if it's your boot/OS drive, that's obviously easier said than done!

- It could be, as others have mentioned, a bad power supply. This, too, can be tough to isolate. I'm not sure who makes the motherboard in your Presario, but if they make some sort of motherboard monitoring software, you might try that. Personally, I absolutely love Intel's motherboard monitoring utilities; they show me power levels on each rail (5V, 12V, etc.), temperature at several zones around the motherboard, etc.

- I would generally consider bad memory, but others have already covered that ground.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by DXGeek
Here are some things to consider. Apologies in advance if you've already worked through them all:

- You could be looking at some sort of spyware/malware/virus mucking with the files on disk. There are a number of free or inexpensive anti-spyware and anti-virus tools out there; it might be worth running a scan.

- This could be a disk going bad. You could try running tools to scan the disk, though, since you say you've had problems with hard disks in the past, that seems less likely.

- It could be a bad I/O controller or chipset. Things like this can be very hard to isolate and track down. Things to look at include the temperature at/around the northbridge. You can also try running benchmarking and stress tools like Prime95 (http://www.mersenne.org/); when I was having stability problems on my last machine, Prime95 would die pretty consistently very early on. It was a good parakeet. You can also try games like putting a hard drive on a different computer to see whether it acts up there, but of course, if it's your boot/OS drive, that's obviously easier said than done!

- It could be, as others have mentioned, a bad power supply. This, too, can be tough to isolate. I'm not sure who makes the motherboard in your Presario, but if they make some sort of motherboard monitoring software, you might try that. Personally, I absolutely love Intel's motherboard monitoring utilities; they show me power levels on each rail (5V, 12V, etc.), temperature at several zones around the motherboard, etc.

- I would generally consider bad memory, but others have already covered that ground.
Thank you for all the suggestions. I'm running Prime95 program now. Yesterday I ran the the disk check utility and it found and repaired several bad sectors on the HD. For now I'm going to rule out a bad power supply because it had problems with the same issue before I installed then nVidia GFX 5200 128 mb PCI graphics card which required me to install a new power supply about 3 years ago. Maybe I have just had bad luck with HD's. This is the 3rd HD in this computer. All have failed the same way. I guess I should just be thankful that it has lasted for 6 years. My kids give it a workout running games. While this one is down they have taken over my desktop and I'm using my laptop.
post #14 of 22
how many bad clusters did chkdsk report?
post #15 of 22
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I did not count them, but it was about 30. Prime95 has been running for several hours and the computer is still going strong.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by jetmech1
I did not count them, but it was about 30. Prime95 has been running for several hours and the computer is still going strong.
Prime 95 will not check you hard drive cable or motherboard IDE controller. It will stress your CPU and memory though. You said it's an old motherboard, what model (socket) is it?
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mobile_Hackbox
Prime 95 will not check you hard drive cable or motherboard IDE controller. It will stress your CPU and memory though. You said it's an old motherboard, what model (socket) is it?
It is a socket 370 with a i810e chiptset. It has a 100mhz FSB. It is a P3 1.0 Ghz. Prime95 stressed the computer for over 10 hours with 0 errors.

Thanks
post #18 of 22
It's not worth troubleshooting. I see tons of these boards sold on eBay all the time for around $10. Best to get a new motherboard, CPU and RAM. Total cost...around $250 for a Pentium 4.
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mobile_Hackbox
It's not worth troubleshooting. I see tons of these boards sold on eBay all the time for around $10. Best to get a new motherboard, CPU and RAM. Total cost...around $250 for a Pentium 4.
That is what I'm thinking. I have been looking at some barebones systems to build.
post #20 of 22
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I have found a system that is a P4 3.0GHz but it has intergreated graphics. The old system has an nVidia GFX 5200 PCI 128 mb graphics card, which should be better than the new intergrated graphics. Am I correct on this? If so I will just swap it into the PCI slot. I wished it was an AGP or PCI Express card.
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