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post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
wow ... the screen really IS rubbish. maybe a 1% notch above the 8100, which was horrible. I mean, REALLY. Staring at my 10.6" Fujitsu laptop w/ a run of the mill 10.6" WXGA display off to the side, I notice that it is at least 100% brighter. Insane. also... apply a bit of pressure with your finger to that "carbon fiber" lid, and watch as you see your finger make you think the LCD was a touch screen!!! A lot of good that upgrade did! Acer, get your priorities in order. You produce these massively powerful machines in a great form factor, and then you skimp on the display. Lame, lame, lame.

also, thank you acer, for installing so much RUBBISH at the factory, not providing a driver or Windows XP reinstall CD, and, finally, for partitioning the drive into 3 FAT32 partitions. Ace move, boneheads! Now burning this machine clean with a reinstall will most likely prove to be a royal pain in the A**.

ugh. good thing I just need this machine for the powerful processor and the form factor. a few people need to be fired over on the acer design team.
post #2 of 33
return your unit. It should not be rippling when u apply back pressure. mine doesn't ripple at all unless i feel like i am about to break the back paneling

And make sure to tweak your settings in CCC to make the screen better (saturation, brightness, gamma, colors). ANd double check that you have BIOS 3312.

Makes a world of difference
post #3 of 33
Wow. So much rubbish compared to what? a dell.. or a Packard Bell ? Its the least ammount of bloatware i've seen. Norton and a DVD burner software and DVD watching software... The Acer tools? wireless one is pointless by i like some of them and they actually help.
And i've yet to see any actuall proof that NTFS goes faster then FAT32. And you can convert it anyway. Hell you don't even have access to the first partition. What the hell is wrong with the Design.
And comparing a Fujitsu and Acer screens are just rubbish as Fujitsu have the Nicest screens out there.. No comparasim. and the LCD shouldn't be rippling.

XP Cd.. yes abit dissapointing at the fact it didn't come with one. But i can make my own so it doesn't really matter.
post #4 of 33
Or you can do what I did and call Acer. They sent me a DVD with the install, free of charge.
post #5 of 33
Thread Starter 
It's not a matter of NTFS being "faster" than FAT32, which is certainly debatable, but it being a more robust filesystem with more features (like hard and soft links, which i need).

I reinstalled XP and got rid of all of the unnecessary eAnnoyingWare from Acer. No problem.

I did install 3312 - I noticed that the brightness came up a bit once windows booted, which is fishy. makes me wonder if it's tweaking the ATI driver to artificially up the brightness. I tried messing with the catalyst settings. the end result is ... well, much like if you're editing an image in photoshop that was too dark to begin with. sure, you can up the brightness, but you're going to wash out the blacks. sure, you can up the contrast, but you're going to lose detail. sorry guys, just face it ... this LCD sucks. I've owned A LOT of laptops from manufacturers across the board, and, the truth is, Acer is pretty consistant with this problem.

What's wrong with the design? Well, I highlighted the problem of the LCD, but here's another interesting point, based on the machines that are in my room right now.

Idle CPU temperatures of the following machines:

Acer TM8104 (2.0GHz Dothan) : 51.0 celcius
Alienware M7700 (3.8GHz Pentium 4) : 46.0 celcius
Alienware M7700 MJ-12 (Athlon X2 4800+): 39.0 celcius
Acer TM8204 (2.0GHz Core Duo): 63.0 celcius

WOW! I'm glad I got the extended warranty on this guy. It's going to melt in under a year!
post #6 of 33
Thread Starter 
Let me also note that i am not dissing acer on a whole. I bought this machine for a reason - it is A BEAST in an extremely compact form factor, and Acer has got the competition beat hands down as far as features and performance-per-pound go, no doubt. I am really not surprised that it runs so hot, and any hope to the contrary was most likely just a foolish dream on my part.

I'm mainly just sayin... Acer... Get with the times on the LCD, and you'll not only have happier customers, but you will have machines that very few can contend with.
post #7 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by nintariman
Idle CPU temperatures of the following machines:

Acer TM8104 (2.0GHz Dothan) : 51.0 celcius
Alienware M7700 (3.8GHz Pentium 4) : 46.0 celcius
Alienware M7700 MJ-12 (Athlon X2 4800+): 39.0 celcius
Acer TM8204 (2.0GHz Core Duo): 63.0 celcius

WOW! I'm glad I got the extended warranty on this guy. It's going to melt in under a year!
Ha hahhaha my ideling temprature for the Acer (after its been on for almost 9 hours doing various tasks, games, internet and word proccessing) is just 38C
And that M7700 with a 4800+ must be doing some serious chilling to get that low.

You can upgrade the LCD if you want. yes Acer don't have the Best screens, i belive that goes to FUjitsu computers as their screens have a universal approval. But for me the brightness is great on my lappy.
post #8 of 33
Thread Starter 
what program are you using to report that temperature? I'm using mobilemeter. Perhaps it's wrong...
post #9 of 33
@ Kohaar so you just called acer and they sent you a winxp copy for free. Not the image disk?
post #10 of 33
No. They sent the image dvd.
post #11 of 33
Nintariman, do you have dark corners at the bottom left and right parts of your screen? I just got mine today (06/03 build) and have dark corners.

Thanks
post #12 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by kohaar
Or you can do what I did and call Acer. They sent me a DVD with the install, free of charge.
remember who you talked to/ cause i was told 30 dollars

soulsaver
post #13 of 33
Any idea if you can upgrade the LCD within it to a better one?
post #14 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathwish238
Any idea if you can upgrade the LCD within it to a better one?
Not sure if you mean upgrade as in from Acer or upgrade as in replace.

If replace look here
http://www.notebookforums.com/showth...ghlight=screen
post #15 of 33
I really don't understand all these people bitching about the screen. Here's a few thing I have to say:

Yes, it's not the best screen around but I would say it's about average. It's not as bright or virbrant as some fo the premium screen but it's definately comparable to most other laptop in the same price range.

It is brighter than the 8104 screen (not by much) but I found the 8104 screen perfectly workable even in bright office envoirment. The only problem I have is using it under direct sunlight.

No, it does not have a wide viewing angle. but why would you need one? It's a laptop, it's not like you be seating to side of it while typing on it. It's perfectly good enough even if you have to sit a bit to the side and show someone else something.

One more thing. Those better looking premium screen usually only come in a laptop that's over $3000 ( I would spend the price difference on a Dell 2005 20.1" wide for home use) and most can't even come close to the Acer's performance.
post #16 of 33
It's not a matter of poor horizontal viewing. The real problem are poor vertical angles. As far as i can see from pictures, vertical angles are much better in QD screens... Are all new 8204 equipped with QD?
post #17 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiz33
I really don't understand all these people bitching about the screen. Here's a few thing I have to say:

Yes, it's not the best screen around but I would say it's about average. It's not as bright or virbrant as some fo the premium screen but it's definately comparable to most other laptop in the same price range.

It is brighter than the 8104 screen (not by much) but I found the 8104 screen perfectly workable even in bright office envoirment. The only problem I have is using it under direct sunlight.

No, it does not have a wide viewing angle. but why would you need one? It's a laptop, it's not like you be seating to side of it while typing on it. It's perfectly good enough even if you have to sit a bit to the side and show someone else something.

One more thing. Those better looking premium screen usually only come in a laptop that's over $3000 ( I would spend the price difference on a Dell 2005 20.1" wide for home use) and most can't even come close to the Acer's performance.


I agree with what you say, but mine has dark(er) lower left and right corners. Does yours?
post #18 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaad75
It's not a matter of poor horizontal viewing. The real problem are poor vertical angles. As far as i can see from pictures, vertical angles are much better in QD screens... Are all new 8204 equipped with QD?
Well, still the QD screens appear to have issues
post #19 of 33
Do you think that LTs are better? I suspect that poor vertical viewing angles in my LT are related to light leakage somehow. I need to check LT screen without that issue. I don't care too much about grey lines, but it would be nicer not to have them. And I don't think that noise problem was related to LCD screen model at all, so I would prefere QD screen anyway...
post #20 of 33

JUst some thoughts about my 8204

Hi All,

I´m from Germany and I own my 8204 since the beginning of Feb. Maybe I was pure lucky, but I have NONE of the issues I can read here in this forum. Production date of my 8204 is the 5th of December (so most probably one of the first shipped) and my display is clear, crisp and bright.

In overall, when I decided to buy a new notebook (And I had some before like a Apple Powerbook G4, a Dell 5150, an Acer Aspire 1693WlmI) my choice at the end of the day was the 8204.

Why? Pretty Easy - There were NO other choices, equipped with a T2500 Dual Core, 2GB Memory, SATA-Disc and the brandnew ATI X1600 (YES, Sometimes I play Games ).

After nearly 3 months using the 8204, I´m still satisfied and happy with the performance and everything. I often read in here, questions like "8100 vs. 8204" but is that comparison really worth a discussion? If someone wants to buy a notebook, he/she should always compare Apples to Apples. If you DO this excercise, there are (still today, more than 4 months after the introduction of the core duo at CES) not that much notebooks with this performance and the installed components. Check it out, it IS still true.

I really don´t want to bother anyone, but also discussions about pricing is not worth the discussion. Compare Apples to Apples and you would recognize, that the current pricing of the 8204 is still great. I did this in the last days and was looking for an Apple MacBook Pro (where it is possible now also to install Windows). I´ve chosen the same CPU, I checked 2GB RAM, I checked the 100GB harddisc (120 is not available) and guess what? I ended at nearly 2.900 Euros (I got my 8204 for 2499.- Euros). You can always discuss about design, but what about the bluetooth phone (if you need it or not is another discussion) or the Smartcards or the additional 20GB of space?

Check for a dell. T2500 Core Duo at 2Ghz o.k. but not availably with the X1600 . Even if you can live with a slower harddrive and configure this notebook with more or less the same components you´ll end up with a HIGHER price.

Final Comment:

I´m not married with Acer but the true DATA proves that Acer has with the installed components by far the BEST offer.

Is this a guarantee that you will buy a notebook with no failures? Of course not, but this can always happen also with a 5000 Euro Plasma Panel or a new car or with everything you can imagine.

I for myself can only recommend the 8204.

All the best,

Michael
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