Bad Trader Cross... - Page 2  

It's real simple

If your a buyer, you send the money in a timely fashion, in accordance with what you worked out.

If your trading, send the item in accordance with what you worked out.

If your a seller, send the unit out in a timely fashion in accordance with what you worked out.

Anything less, is unacceptable. I can see maybe 2 weeks to a month, with constant communication. A year and have money to buy memory and other laptops, Operaman has been much nicer than most of us would have been. Pay the man.

Bump.
More people need to see this.
Avoid this guy.
Blades

Agreed.

I felt like a heel when it took me two weeks to finish paying the rest of my laptop payment to Batichavez (who is an excellent trader, BTW) though I did have the majority paid on it already, the deal was for 1600, and I was 400 shy, he said I could wait til I got my paycheck again to get the rest of the payment to him.

My point? I felt sick, possibly because we had an agreement and he sent the laptop after I paid the majority of it, so I was already using the computer before I had it paid off.

If Cross doesn't care and has no qualms about spending money after he owes someone else money initially, then he has no concious, no morals, and frankly doesn't belong on these forums.

Dr. House aka StrokerandHoop

I've done previous trades with Cross. Had no issues.

Cross....
Fix this issue now!! You know how things can get around here....
You can be Blacklisted as "Karkass" was....
Remember!!!

Pretty much summed it up!

bump

up up and away

BUMP!

I have read lots of threads at these forums about deals with Cross,

He always claims to be wheeling and dealing all the time and even working that fourth or fifth trade ahead that he will get by doing this one right now.

He also has lots of drama for excuses.

I know he has also claimed that his wife has had a miscarriage twice and that his mother died or such. Lots of drama to explain things away, like procrastinations on delivery.

Seems if you have what he wants you can count on him being punctual. If he has all ready what he wants from you then count on being put to the back of the line. This is typical human behaviour and not unique to him, and why we always are hesitant to be the first to start the trade.

Lesson learned here is to be more specific with the deal and less trusting, having in writing when payment will be made and I hate to say you must do this, but you are dealing with a human being-and we are nothing but grown children, have it explicitly state in writing no excuses for payment-you go homeless and hungry before that. Have agreed penalties enforceable by contract so that you can then afford to take legal action by turning it over to a collection agency.

Since you have offered to settle for a lesser amount then don't hold your breath for another renegotiation.

I would not classify this as dishonest, but for those few that let things drag out a bit you will find the deal to be very disatisfying.

May I recommend seeing if a mod or two or three will arbitrate this. That you both agree to the arbitration as binding meaning it could go from being paid nothing more to being paid the full amount. That you both make you case with the arbitrator(s) and have a time limit like 30 days and after that what is said by the arbitrator is set in stone. Then you abide by the ruling then after the terms are met you both post a positive post here about each other and give positive feedback for each other on HEAT (so long as terms are met and within an agreed amount of time).

If the terms are not met then pursue the matter to the fullest.

Call me loony, but how hard is it to come up with 300 bux (doubtfull he doesnt have it) and pay somone? Hell, I would sell something before I would reduce myself to public humility and a bad rep.

Just my opinion though.

Its truly a shame that this kind of thing has to happen in a small community like this, it ruins the trust and makes trading alot more scary than it should be.

simply put operaman deserves the full amount he is owed.... no excuses, pay your debts.

this may well be the internet where the person cant come over and break your legs but if you take this sort of mentality of not paying the debts you incur into real life face to face dealing your gonna encounter people who will do just that when you dont pay up. the best we can do is ensure that if cross doesnt want to pay that he shouldnt be trading here again..... sorry but the evidence is plain and clear against him in his actions.

its people like him who ruin the trust that exists between sellers/buyers/traders here which is sad because there are alot of honest reputable sellers and buyers out there, but its guys like cross that ruin it for us all

BUMP!

Forgot to ask, you did make the trade through this forum, right?

Also it seems to be down to just two items by reading these threads.

1) Disagreement of final amount owed -$70 according to cross, $300 or $350 according to you Richard, it is not clear to me exactly which from your posts.

2) Whether Cross will even pay the amount he says he owes or what you say he owes to complete this transaction.

Of course a genuine apology, which includes prompt settlement else it is not genuine, I am sure will help.

Do you have a link to the original trade post. The mods are suppose to help by being the go between/moderator and when requested to arbitrate when an agreement can not be made between buyer/seller when there is a dispute.

I am surprised they are not stepping in here so maybe if you show them the original for sale post.

I have to agree, if you prove to them that the trade was made through this forum that Cross should abide by what they decide or be banned. You then can post links to this thread at the other trading forums and the negative HEAT feedback so other buyers will know they are at risk if they are the ones shipping or paying first.

But all of this is mute since he posted he was moving to Mars, or was that Venus, and needed money to build that rocket ship.

If you do not have time for all of this you can just assemble all your documentation and turn it over to a collection agency, though don't count on them paying you anything as the amount is small and they would probably want all of it to take it over from you. They will then flag his credit rating and harrass him with letters and phone calls. The best thing about this is it comes up at the strangest time like years later when he is applying for a job or trying to get a security clearance, or trying to buy a home, etc. so it is a great gift to give to him to remember you by for this deal gone bad.

yep, just sad man

...so did he just ran away so he does not have to pay the $300?

BTW, operaman, you said, "either pay up or be banned." so is $300 not important to you? just as long as he gets ban, your ok with it? Man, I wish I had $300 to throw away.

If you have his address (you did ship to him right?), file a police report and he will be charged with petty larceny. Very simple.

If the police don't help you, go make a personal visit. A physical pressence (at least from my experience) to somone when a debt is owed is a very good motivator to that person - it's time to pay the debt.

Seriously, This Cross guy needs to be Ip banned . I dealt with him before as well( when he first starting his heatware). Now I look bacn, this guy does Bs alot with his stuffs. Bump this up so every 1 knows what kinda person he is.

yeah, i think you have his name, address, phone number and all.

I dont know, should we make his identity public? cause he can change usernames but im pretty sure he still have the same name in paypal or if someone was to ship to that name. well, like I said, I dont know.