Dell XPS M1210 (12" with dedicated graphics) - Page 2

Definetly not the x1400 is faster than the 7300 but not faster than the 7400.

looks like my next laptop

every inch counts, haha

Ok.. I think you guys just seriously mixed up the comparisons between the mobile video cards.

First of all the ATI lineup

*Older Gen = Newer Gen

Low-End X300 = X1300
Low-Mid X600 = X1400
Midrange X700 = X1600

and the nVidia lineup

Low-End 6200go (64bit) = 7300go (64bit)
Low-Mid 6400go (64bit) = 7400go (64bit)
Midrange 6600go = 7600go

Seriously.. the 7300go and the 7400go are clear successors of the 6200go and 6400go respectively. They are not better than any of the ATI cards that I just posted because of their 64bit memory interface except for the 7300go though (scores higher than expected).

I am basing performance from 3DMark05 @ ORB

From ATI cards
X300 = scores about 1000-1300 (overclocked scores get high up to 2000, odd)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=882268
X1300 = scores about the same as the X300 ranges from 1100-1300 (very few benchmarks so its hard to tell if it can go any higher)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1952055

X600 = scores about 1700+
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=830320
X1400 = scores about 1800-2000 (reaches 2000+ easily with slight OCs)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1991440

X700 = scores about 3000+ (almost doubles the X600 scores since it has 8 pipelines)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1073662
X1600 = scores an amazing 4500+ (a clear step up from the X700 and goes to a whopping 12 pipelines)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1973451


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now to the nvidia line of cards

6200go = scores about 800-1000 (a very limited card because of the 64bit architecture, X300 seems to be a better choice)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1723420
7300go = no scores in ORB database but ive researched the net and scores are near 1300-1500 or even higher (even though its 64bit interface is crippling this card, very similar to X1300)


6400go = only 1 record in ORB database which scored about 1078 (a very slight step up from the 6200 go with 64bit interface, due to limited results, score range may be inaccurate)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1920287
7400go = scores about 1800-2000 (very comparable to the X1400 but still has 64bit memory interface which limits its performance)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1901832

6600go = scores about 2500-2700, though some setups are overclocked to the extreme and can reach 3000. (a very good card that has 8 pipelines, still X700 seem to be better)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1373752
7600go = still no record at ORB, relatively new to the market, according to a forum member, he posted a complete result with a score of 3432 (compared to X1600, scores seem a little bit off since the 7600 go is only an 8 pipeline card)
http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...showtopic=8896

All results can differ with 10% +/- tolerance since they were compared with different laptops (processor, memory, hdd, frequency clocks, these can all alter the scores)
IMHO, I wished ATI could do a better job in making their newer cards run faster than their older ones, for example, the X1400 is a limited card due to its 4 pipeline, but its highly optimized core only make it stand up.
For nVidia, they need to make those shitty 64bit memory interfaces to at least 128bit, 64bit is nowhere near good.

I based these scores from 3DMark05 and did not come from me from scratch, if you like to post your opinion or something then don't hesitate to post.

Ok.. I think you guys just seriously mixed up the comparisons between the mobile video cards
Seriously.. the 7300go and the 7400go are clear successors of the 6200go and 6400go respectively. They are not better than any of the ATI cards that I just posted because of their 64bit memory interface except for the 7300go though (scores higher than expected)..[quote]


So why does the 120m{7400} in a latitude D820 outperform a I6400 with a X1400 in 3D05 at stock settings.
You are forgetting the fact that Nvidia has 3 vertex engines compared to 2 in the ATI and nvidia has quite fast memory for a bottom range card.
While I'm no fan of a 64 bit memory interface,my self I would pick an nvidia card anyday just because my experience is that ATI spend so much time devoting their time to producing drivers for good 3D mark benchmarks they perform like crap in the real world and are very buggy compared to nvidia drivers,a good example is the M70 I had compared to an acer 8104 with an X700,now in 3Dmark05 these two were comparable within a couple of hundred points of each other with the quadro1400 ahead,now load up FEAR at the same res and settings and the frame rates for the quadro were more than 50% better than the X700,I've always had perfect driver performance from nvidia cards[video,hibernation,crashes,etc]and apalling performance from ATI,yet in benchmarks the ATI stuff always works perfectly for what the card is.

Like I say this is just my opinion and I'm sure there is a bit of benchmark tweaking from both sides but at least nvidia seems to stack up with its stability and real world performance,the only thing ati in my eyes has over nvidia is power and heat management,I may possibly get this novel notebook if it comes out soon and has nvidia graphics but I won't if it is ati equipped

Why wouldnt they put the X1600 in the 12" XPS? Its not an Exxxx model, it's an XPS model. and will cost more.

If the heat issues could be overcome, it would be a good decision.

Its trye that the 7300/7400 Uses crippled memory by having only a 64bit bus however the 6200 was better performer than the x300 even with th edisadvantage of the memory bus. Its not like the card is really powerful enough to strain bandwidth anyway. Theres a lot of other things youd want for the Nvidia card such as easy Driver updates.

Oh wow, this is beyond anything I'd imagine from Dell. The media buttons are slick, the camera is a plus, but overall the video card is the best addition to the 12" laptop. I love the design and this will replace my 700m in the future [hellooo x-mas 2006! (+ windows vista)]. But I do hope it that the keyboard comes in black. If not, it's okay. Overall, it looks like a well built machine.

Yeah, that'a a great suggestion!!! Dell should maybe give us options to customize the color of the keyboard like lettiing us choose from 3 colors: white, grey & black!!! That will be the perfect laptop (in my opinion)!!!

I'm suprised that dell is offering dedicated graphics in a 12", but not in a 14" Unless I'm missing something...)

And, heat could be dealt with better. I think a 14incher with say an x1600 would be sweet!

i wonder if their going to have SATA drives in these.

as a previous owner of a 14inch labtop. i have to vouch for the 12'' labtops as there are far more brands, more support and overall better for portability. the 14inch was limited in where and how it could be stored compared to a 12''. did i mention the 12inch is far more sexier to look at then a bulky hp/compaq 14''......yukki


on a side note. when is this piece coming out

So what would be a roundabout game of the best game this thing could handle? I know FEAR, Far Cry, or Doom 3 would not work, but what about Battlefield 2, or Age of Empires 3? Would those be possible?

Is the price of this going to be worth it, or would a 710m be just as good?

I hope this beast makes it to the UK, we didn't get the 710m so we have no 12" Dells with built in optical drives as of now

i wonder how asus got it into a 14 incher then. seriously i wish dell would make the step even if its not high end at least dedicated

look at the e1405. its a dual core m140 nuthin more. stil integrated

sorry i know its off topic

All those games work on an X300 64mb and in fact oblivion does too,abeit at 640x480 with f***all turned on but hey it still works and plays ok.
So couldn't see why an XPS1210 with X1300 or go7300 wouldn't work alright aswell and no a 710m wouldn't be as good,it features intel GMA graphics which doesn't support T&L which some games won't even start without.

I know HL2 runs well on my D620 with the Quadro 110 card, which is a 7300go.

I agree. The 700m looks alot better than the 640m. 640m looks too big and seems much heavier than 700m.