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post #21 of 143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chevyrulz099
just tried Cloning a disk with acronis, no luck. but it was out of a desktop model drive, and i put it on a laptop, coulda been a bad driver. i know u said you used acronis, but i didnt know if you tried the clone feature.
I believe the problem is with Symantec vs. Acronis images. THe pointers in the acronis images are not compatible with the symantec versions of the .gho files. THe System Restore feature DELL uses is a stripped down version of Ghost. THis is what i have come up with but I have not done extensive research into it. If you find out a way to get Acronis TI to work please let us know and PM me as well. that would be a bonus for alot of folks i imagine.
post #22 of 143
yea. i just bought acronis for the usb key "makeability"

if you get to being able to restore HD to factory somehow, id be very interested.

otherwise, ill just wait till my next dell is bought, sometime this year.

this is excellent work, congrats.
post #23 of 143
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Originally Posted by PcGeek04
Just to be clear, we are not providing custom images with this project. This is just a solution so that us owners can create our own images to use on the go with the CTRL+F11 functionality in case of windows crashes. Providing custom images with all software installed such as the entire Office Suite and Adobe Suite along with the Visual Studio.Net 2005 suite would be illegal and a very LARGE file. Sorry if anyone was confused by this. Thanks for all the input folks.
No worries PCgeek, I know that.. just didnt express myself properly. I found Ghost 9 and ordered it. I'm hoping to try it out soon. Usually reformat every few months so having a custom image ready will be great.
post #24 of 143
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i believe ghost 9 wont work, ghost 9 creates .V2i files which will not work for making the the restore image with our dells.

correct me if i am wrong here but Ghost 9 is the 2005 version and you will need the 2003 (vers 8) or older to create the .gho files.

sorry brudda.
post #25 of 143
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Originally Posted by PcGeek04
i believe ghost 9 wont work, ghost 9 creates .V2i files which will not work for making the the restore image with our dells.

correct me if i am wrong here but Ghost 9 is the 2005 version and you will need the 2003 (vers 8) or older to create the .gho files.

sorry brudda.

Ghost Corp v8.3 updated late last year is a good substitute for the older Ghost 2003...
post #26 of 143
Thread Starter 
that it is... I use ghost corp myself, but ShadowGES and myself thought it would be better for the masses to include the 2003 user class variant for the project tutorial.

Thanks for the screenie.
post #27 of 143

Fresh Install

Hi there,

This way to restore the Ctrl+f11 function works with a total repartitioning of a HD?

By mistake (as my wife said: "you have to read the manual" (yes, sure!!!! )) I erase the restore partition ... i´m trying to restore this funcionality but with my new winXP MEC (Totally new fresh install)

There is a way to:

1)Using partitioning software "liberate" the space where dell use to put his restore partition

2)Create a new Gosth2003 or corporate 8.3 backup

3)Restore the Ctrl+f11 function

4)And (sorry if it´s much to ask) restore the MediaDirect function using as little space as possible

Thanks in advance for all, and sorry for my poor english (not my first language)
post #28 of 143
Great work. Way over my head as to how you did it. Barely understand what you did.
I just blew money on the latest Ghost, and now I save the restoration onto my USB HDD.

I would like to know how to make those bootable DVDs that V.B. is talking about.
(Yeah, I'm THAT lame that I dunno! )


The other thing is that I've upgraded my HDD twice now, finally to a 120GB HDD, (yayee!), but I sloppily lost the Dell diognostics partition.
Actually, I do have it still on the old HDD.
Do I need to have Partition Magic, etc, to put that on my present HDD as a bootable partition? (I/m assuming, "Yes.")

I tried to make a bootable disk following several different directions, and I can't seem to do itcorrectly.
-So I'm excited to see what you guys do with that.
post #29 of 143

HP Laptop... Wondering is they use a stripped down ver of GHOST 2003 /8.3?

Here's a page that may help... Lots of good info.

http://radified.com/Articles/laptop.htm
http://ghost.radified.com/

Appears the last "good" version of GHOST was version 2003 / 8.3 -... Or the Corporate version of 8.3 updated in 2005 ....


Got a question.... Would anyone here know if the HP's use a stripped down version of GHOST as the basis of their "recovery" app?

I'm wondering if a stripped down version of GHOST 2003 , v 8.3 would apply to HP laptops as well. Bought a HP Pavilion dv8000t due to a good deal thru www.costco.com
Next laptop may be a DELL... depends on the pricing, options.... (In other words don't hate me for buying an HP.)

I just got thru installing XP PRO +apps, used Arconis to make a recovery partition on the hd via their recovery manager.... a prompt comes up just before the XP OS loads saying to press F11 to run the recovery process... Haven't tried it... but it appears it "should" work.

Press F11 appears on every boot.... and given the choice I'd rather not this message appear...

Would be nice to know if HP uses a stripped down version of GHOST as Arconis "adds", or added some info to the MBR

Given the choice.... I would prefer to not have something added to the bootsector..

Anyone?
post #30 of 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychokitty
I would like to know how to make those bootable DVDs that V.B. is talking about.
(Yeah, I'm THAT lame that I dunno! )
Are you serious?

1) Install Ghost 2003 (don't register it - more later[1])
2) install Nero Ultra, or your favorite DVD burning software. It needs to specify that it can make bootable DVDs/CDs. Things like Easy CD Creator Basic don't have the option.
3) Run Ghost. Go to the Ghost Utitities, select Norton Ghost Boot Wizard. Then select "CD/DVD Startup Disk With Ghost". Insert a blank floppy - make the diskette
4) Run Nero -> select the bootable DVD option -> select the 1st two Ghost image files (the GHO and the 1st GHS) -> specify the source of the bootable image (drive A: ) -> and burn the disc.
5) For any remaining GHS files, you just burn them 2-at-a-time to DVDs (they don't need to be booable).

[1] Step 3 works best if you install Ghost on a Desktop. If you have a floppy drive for your notebook then you're all set.

I have never done step 3. What I did in place of step 3 is:
A) make a bootable Floppy.
B) Create the following Autoexec.bat on the floppy:
Quote:
@echo off
SET TZ=GHO+05:00
prompt $p$g
MOUSE.COM /Z
LH \\MSCDEX.EXE /D:cd1
GHOST.EXE
C) Create the following Config.sys on the floppy:
Quote:
DEVICE=oakcdrom.sys /D:cd1
LASTDRIVE = Z
D) Add these programs to the floppy:
MOUSE.COM
MSCDEX.EXE
OAKCDROM.SYS

E) Add program: C:\\Program Files\\Norton Ghost 2003\\ghost.exe to the floppy (your path on the C: drive may be different)

Then I take a 128MB USB memory stick and format it with a utility to make it bootable. Then I copy these file from the floppy to the USB stick:
AUTOEXEC.BAT
CONFIG.SYS
MOUSE.COM
MSCDEX.EXE
OAKCDROM.SYS
GHOST.EXE

Then instead of using my desktop PC and the floppy for step 4, I use the bootable USB memory stick as the source of the boot image and burn DVDs from my notebook.


Stu - Please rewrite (as needed) and FAQ this.
post #31 of 143
To take this project a little futher, I am happy to report that my old laptop Dell C840 now can use Ctrl+F11 with custom image. It's a bit messy but not impossible

This same procedure can be use to replace your hard drive in case you need to up grade the HD.

what you will need

DSRFIX
Norton ghost 20003
Partition Magic

you may need a linux boot cd, I use Ubuntu Live CD Version 5.10, the reason why I need it, because my XP OS was on the first partion and only partion I had, so when I use magic partition to create 47MB Dell Partion Utility and Dell Restore Partition the two partition I created become partition #2 and #3, which Dell Restore didn't like one bit and DSRFIX will also report it not correct.

So if you have only one partition that already have OS on, you will need to use Magic Partition to move and create Dell Utility and Dell restore partition. Before you use magic partition, I sugguest you install Notorn ghost 2003 on the current OS, make a copy of your current OS image to the another hard drive or CD-Writer, I didn't have to do this step because I didn't care if I lost the current OS image.

So here how I did my
Currrent hard drive have single partion list at partition #1
I used magic partition create 47MB Dell Utility partition, it become partition #2. I then created Dell Restore partition, this partition become partition #3. Of course you will need to shrink your current OS partition to make room for the two new partition, if you do not know how to use magic partition, I suggest you stop now .

Anyway after create two new partiton, the system ask me to reboot so Magic Partition can apply the change, however, during the reboot to make change, Magic Partition crap out on me, but don't panic your data still there . If this happen to you, it mean you will need to run "chkdsk", just put in XP installtion CD and boot it, then hit R for repair, it will give a C prompt, just run chkdsk from there.
so the step is
1) install magic partition
2) shrink current OS partition and move it the middle partition to allow Dell Utility be on the first parttion with 47MB
3) create Dell Restore partition, this partition need to be on the 3rd partition after the OS partition. Make whatever side you want anything from 4.7GB to 20GB
4) Partition magic will ask to reboot the system. If during the partition process apply, if Magic Partition crap out, boot from XP CD or whatever mean so you can run CHKDSK. Once it done, boot the system back to your current OS. This assume you didn't mess up any thing.
5) Open your magic partion, verify it look like this

If it didn't look like that, then you didn't create partition correctly. recreate it again and make sure Dell Ultility is on the 1st partion, OS image on the 2nd partition, Dell Restore on the 3rd partition.

Once this done, you will need to edit windows boot.ini file, to let it know your new partition change from partition 1 to partition 2

Go to Contral panel --> system --> advanced tab --> down to startup and recovery click on setting --> edit
change
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
to
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS

then change
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
to
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

Save the file. You can also edit this by hand the file is locate on C:\boot.ini, but you will need to tell Windows to show the hidden file.

Once all it done correctly boot it with Linux live CD, again I use Ubuntu Live CD version 5.10, but if you are a Linux Guru then use what ever flavor Linux you like as long as it can boot and allow you to run fdisk command.

Once you boot in to Linux enviroment, open a Linux command prompt. In my case with Linux Ubuntu Live CD, from Linux GUI
1) Application menu --> accessories --> Terminal
2) once the Terminal open, from # prompt do "sudo su -" (without quote)
3) this will give you root prompt, type in "fdisk /dev/hda" (again without quote). This will give you fdisk menu, if you need help type m. Also if you have SATA disk then the command is "fdisk /dev/sda"
once you are in fdisk menu

A) hit p to list the partition table, you will notice, it complaint about partition table not match up with the partition that was create. You will notice

/dev/hda1 is HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda2 is unallocate with 47MB
/dev/hda3 is unallocate with whatever size you had create

B) hit x this will bring you to expert menu, again type m for help. you will see f option is for "fix partition order"

C) Hit f once you in the expert fdisk mode, it will ask you confirm, hit y to confirm

D) Once you done, hit r to return to a none expert fdisk menu

E) Hit p to list the partition table again, this time, it should show

/dev/hda1 is unallocate with 47MB
/dev/hda2 is HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda3 is unallocate with whatever size you have create.

F) once that confirm correct, hit w to write it to the disk and it will exit to a root, type in halt or power off, remove Linux live cd, boot the system into a windows OS. If for some reason you Windows refuse to boot and complaints about missing DLL or HAL blah blah file, that mean you have mess up your boot.ini file. To fix this, boot from XP CD then go into repair menu, it will ask you the location of your current Windows, and administrator password. Once you get to C prompt type in "bootcfg /rebuild" confirm a few options then type in a new name for it, whatever name you type here will appear on the Windows boot menu, you can edit it later to match with what you want. If you do not have any problem with boot to OS, then it time for put on the Dell Ultility and restore image.

I must assume you know how to use the ghost program otherwise I would not go into detail how you back up or restore the ghost image.

Anyway, on the system with Dell Ultility and Dell Image Restore, use ghost 2003 back up partion for Dell Ultility, Dell Image restore, since my OS partion have so much disk space I put both on this backup on my local OS disk, just create folder call OEM_partition. Once I have this two back up image, I moved it over to the C840 and start restore the Dell Utility and Dell Restore on the two new partition, make sure Dell Ultility go on to the first partion, and Dell Restore go on to the third partion. If for some reason ghost 2003 refuse to see this two new partition, go head and use Magic partition to created the first 47MB as FAT file system and third partion as FAT32 file system.

by now you should have the two new partition fill with data from ghost restore. To verify this go to my computer, look for 3rd partition, if you can see list of folder with SRC1-SRC4 and IMG folder then your are read for the next step to put in the custom image.

1)Delete everything in the IMG folder on the Dell restore image, I said IMG folder, not the drive

2)using ghost 2003 backup your current OS image to IMG folder on the Dell restore partion, make sure type in name call FI as a file name (in my case it C840 OS image called FI)

3) Once this done, boot to DSRFIX enviroment, then run dsrfix /f

4) Reboot the system, then hit Crtl+F11, you should see the Dell restore option menu

since this is supplement to the origional poster, I will not include the detail how to change partion from DB to 0C or how to use DSRFIX.

Also I notice when I ran the test restore, my Windows screen for ghost didn't display correctly during the restore, but it did get the jobs done. You will also get a service tag not match with your system since this partion was copy over, however you can fix this by changing the Dell Ultility partion as FAT so you can mount in Windows XP, edit the seal.ini file, look for services tag number and change it to match with your current system.....


let me know how it go if you try your
post #32 of 143
I need to "borrow" a copy of Partition Magic.
post #33 of 143
Thread Starter 
Xccess21..... AWSOME stuff.

thanks for contributing.
post #34 of 143
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Originally Posted by PcGeek04
Xccess21..... AWSOME stuff.

thanks for contributing.
My English is pretty bad, I hope people can understand what I wrote.... let me know if you or anyone have any question.
post #35 of 143
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it's all good bro.. no worries
post #36 of 143
Thread Starter 
HEY - VB

What utility are you using to make your USB Key bootable? I have tried a few different methods and none of which seem to work properly. My 1705's will not boot from them.
post #37 of 143
I have a PNY Attaché 128MB USB stick that I use just for a boot image. I formatted it with the "The Dell USB Memory Key" found on Bay-Wolf's download page. Bay-Wolf also has a "Any Memory Key". I haven't used it but it may work for you.

Check the manufacturer's web site for your USB stick. You may need their format utility.

I recommend obtaining a low capacity USB stick like the PNY above. After you format it and copy all the files that you need for booting, slide the lock switch to the locked position - you don't want to add unneeded files that will take up space on your CD/DVD.
post #38 of 143
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kewl... i have tried a few our with my Lexar JumpDrive i got for free from work but nothin seemed to take. I will give it a try thanks
post #39 of 143
Just want to let you know I got the restore working with your help of course. I did run in to an issue where I had to do a partition to partition when making the ghost image rather then a disk to image. Basically I just formatted the drive in to the three partitions. I used ptedit to open up that existing HD I had that was untouched with the three dell partitions on it did a partition to partition for the dell restore and dell utilities partitions loaded winxp up on the os partition set it all up with all of the bells and whistles I wanted. I ghosted the OS this part was important as when I did disk to image it didn’t work I had to do a partition to image and select the os partition. I then loaded ptedit opened up my drive copied the ghost image to the IMG folder restarted ect you know the rest as you created the procedure presto its working when I did a disk to image I got a error when running the restore in that the image was to large for the partition I believe it was trying to copy it to the 47mb dell utilities partition because it said to use the -f32 switch. Anyway I just want to tank you for all of the help.
post #40 of 143

Partition Magic replacement - free!

Qtparted is a linux version of partition magic, available on a free bootable CD here:

http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page

I don't know if the linux version of ghost will work for this project.
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