Hyper-Threading technology or not??? - Page 2

Gees, sorry, I don't have any suggestions, as I'm not a laptop tech. My machine kicks butt, but then again, I've taken care of it, routinely using Ace Utilities, Tune Up Utilities 2003, and RegSupreme (JV16PT). I keep it clean and in check.

Out of three batteries I purchased with the unit, 2 are dead, and 1 still holds a long charge, but as I stated in another thread, I'm mostly plugged in to AC, Car, Airplane, cofee shop wall outlet, etc., where ever I go.

I did have to send it in once for a new LCD (covered under extended warranty and ADP) from a puncture, but other than that, this baby rocks. Naturally, I upgraded the OS from the original WIN98SE to Win 2000 Server, then Win XP Pro. Naturally, it takes longer to load all the fonts and things when loading up Illustrator and Photoshop, but this thing runs all of those programs, Office 2003, and even Visio/Visual Studio .NET Enterprise Architect, no problem. It's a true work horse.

Sorry you've had such luck with yours. Oh yeah, my chassis has a small crack around the middle where I rest my hand to type (between keyboard and front edge, and the right side of the LCD hinges is cracked, but these have been this way for over a year, no problems. Runs great. I'm on it now.

I can only suggest taking it to a certified laptop repair shop, and not sure if they'd even touch a Gateway? Good Luck!

Well, I had checked with my favorite and most trusted tech guy. Although he did not see the 9150, he said it is probably a broken solder on the m/o and about $400.00 to repair and suggested something more 'modern and up to date' in it's place.

I stuck with WIN98se, MS OfficePro97 & Dev tools, Serif PagePlus. PhotoPlus and Draw Plus..... great tools and a lot cheaper than their Adobe equivalents.

The only broken thing is the lid latch.... got clobbered at Special Olympics Winter Games 2001 in Michigan USA. The athletes LOVED to see their pics on the screen and send emails home to their families.

I think that's great advice. I'm spending time on this forum learning myself as I'm approaching such an investment. I think this biatch is about ready to die herself. I would bet she'll be dead before the end of this year (2004), but I certainly hope to purchase something soon (within 2-3 months) after, PERHAPS, Sager or someone else gets a backlit keyboard, and gsferrari and others give the thumbs up on Prescott - and hopefully better support.

My gut tells me if Sager doesn't improve the onsite-ADP issues that I'll be getting another Gateway with a Prescott, because Gateway has certainly caught up in the high-end laptop area, and everyone that owns one on this site seems to love their m675's. As everyone on this site well knows, warranty issues are important to me, so while Sager's 8890 (or newer model) looks extremely appealing to me, warranty issues are equally important. It will be a tough call, but I'm prepared to ride this horse for at least 2-3 more months to see how things develop.

That makes a lot of sense. My take on this, though, is to wait past the "initial" period of whatever technology you're trying to get. That is, wait beyond the initial offerings of the technology, so that it has a chance to mature and lower its extremely high costs. This was the case w/ CD-RW technology, and you can see w/ current DVD+/-RW offerings that maturity in the market has lowered price points and given more options to the user. Another good example would be RDRAM - a standard introduced, and then abandoned for something superior and cheaper. It makes sense to pay for a proven technology, but in the time it takes to prove itself, its price point will also drop to affordibility.

hyperthreading does not require an application to be written for it for you to notice a difference.
opening multiple applications (whether they are written to multithread or not) will be noticeably zippier because of windows xp's native ability to route these processes to different virtual processors.
having an application written to take advantage of hyperthreading would only enhance the advantage over non-HT systems

I understand this and agree with it for the most part, but the key phrase you used is "initial period." That's a subjective evaluation that's part of that timing strategy. Occasionally with time-passing alone you see *some* fluctuations in pricing.

For a more objective reality, however, generally that *initial period* is officially concluded with the release of an upgraded model. You don't see 3.2 CPU's w/HT going down much at all since its release, but are/will with a 3.4 release (which just came out). The initial 3.2 HT period was almost a year before a 3.4 was released. On one hand, the longer you wait, the more chance you have of buying something outdated (or sooner to be outdated), and if you buy too soon you pay too much.

I do agree though that paying for a 3.4 now would certainly be a lot more than paying for a 3.2. But since both have HT, maybe the 3.2 is the wiser investment in this particular case, as I believe HT will be around for some time. If prescott rolls out at 2.8 and is much slower than the fastest P4 (as per that other thread) and it's going to be a while (a year or more) before the 4 and 5 Prescott's are released that *show their true potential*, then I may invest in the 3.2 HT (non-EE) soon.

I'd get a 2.6 or 2.8 with HT. Almost as fast, but much much cheaper and just OC them.

That is, on a desktop of course.

For a laptop, a 2.6 or 2.8 HT is sufficient.

EDR,

I enjoyed your posts...I agree with your reasoning. I feel the same way.

Please feel free to educate me on this, and if I am wrong, or something has change, I'm happy to say that *I stand corrected.* However, to my knowledge, the first HT processor was at the 3.0 (3.2?) mark? Unless you are talking about Prescott, or unless Intel has added HT to 2.6 and 2.8, I didn't know HT could be gotten at that lower level. If that's the case, then yes I would probably agree with you.

Muchas Gracias Schwinn!

Surprise! They start even lower, at 2.4!!! And 2.4 will OC like a mofo!

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...log=343&depa=1

I have been out of the desktop scene for a while but my old 1.6A oc'd to 2.2 no problems

I'd imagine the 2.4HT to be oc friendly as well. If you know what you're doing, OC is a great way to gain performance from $$$

Hey, no offense, I like you! We click!

But, I'm an old IT guy, and quazi-programmer. I know PC's quite well. I used to own a successful software company. I'm 35 years old but look like I'm 25, and still get carded all the time.

In any case, this is a *laptop* forum, and yes, I know about over-clocking, but with laptops that's a different story. As far as I know you can't (or it's not recommended to) OC a laptop. Again, I'm open to education on this one - by all means.

To my knowledge, laptops can't OC due to lack of BIOS support and heat issue. But then, the topic has sort off gotten off topic onto general non HT vs HT, and which CPU is better etc... so in the spirit of being off topic, I talked about the potential of lower clocked HT CPUs.

And what can I say? hehe humor and wit makes me likable

OK. But, I didn't get that. Yes, lots of HT vs non-HT talk, but I thought it was all applicable to laptops, hence the forum, and the talk of weight and battery life versus power and AC in almost all posts. In any case, back to laptops, are you saying there's non-Prescott (true original P4's) that have HT that are less than 3.0 Ghz? If so, this is new to me, but I've been wrong before, it's all good.

Yes. There are non prescott P4s lower than 3 GHz with HT. They've been around for a while.

Ask around the forums to double check, but I am pretty sure about this one though.

does that mean you used to own it, or it used to be successful?

Both. I sold it, and I'm in the middle of getting a new project funded.

Let me know if you're starting a porn site. I've always wanted to be porn star!

Porn?

Did someone mention porn? There was a reason I got the 80 gig HD on my G1. Hell, JJ's titties take up about 5 mg by themselves right now.