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Can someone please flash the m1710 bios to an e1505

post #1 of 42
5/1/06 at 12:07am
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There are three things needed to run better video cards in an e1505:

1: bios support
2: physically fitting the card into the laptop
3: cooling

1: Chances are that the stock bios does not support the card. We might be lucky, but probably not. We will either need to use a bios from the i9400/e1705/m1710 or to edit the e1505's bios to support the card.

2: The network jack needs to be moved and probalby the wireless card taken out. The chipset heatsink is blocking the card as well, so if someone could use a cpu heatsink from an i9300 and cool the chipset with a seperate heatsink, it would solve that problem. The i9300 heatsink uses the same mouting and will cool the cpu just fine.

i6400:
i9300:

The ethernet jack is easy to remove:

3: Since we're only testing it, cooling isnt a probelm because we can rest a big heatsink on the card without using the case or keyboard. We can worry about cooling if we can get the card working. Start with small steps, first get it working without a case.


So, I'm asking for a brave volunteer to try to flash the bios. It may work, it may not work properly, or it may just plain not work.
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post #2 of 42
5/1/06 at 12:19am
A few probs:

1. You can't flash the bios using the Dell bios. You would have to go into a DOS mode and risk turning yout $1000 laptop into a brick.

2. It is simply not worth the amount of modification you are asking to do to fit the video card in. PLUS the heatpipes are bigger than the laptop itself.

So while some mods make sense. some just are plain not good and will not work. My advice is deal with the power available to you in the 15.4" form factor or deal with a 17" laptop. Because you are not going to fit a video card with the power and heat requirements you are looking at into the 15.4" laptop.
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post #3 of 42
5/1/06 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by operaman
A few probs: 1. You can't flash the bios using the Dell bios. You would have to go into a DOS mode and risk turning yout $1000 laptop into a brick. 2. It is simply not worth the amount of modification you are asking to do to fit the video card in. PLUS the heatpipes are bigger than the laptop itself. So while some mods make sense. some just are plain not good and will not work. My advice is deal with the power available to you in the 15.4" form factor or deal with a 17" laptop. Because you are not going to fit a video card with the power and heat requirements you are looking at into the 15.4" laptop.
1: yes, it's risky, but is the end result worth it. 2: d810/m70. 7900gs uses less power than the quadro that is stock on the m70 (22w for the 7900gs vrs iirc, 29w) cooling is something to worry about after the card works with the motherobard my ideas on cooling: or a modified sapphire toxic wc system: might actually be easier to do than making custom heatpipe heatsinks and moving the drive+expresscard slot if you don't know what i'm talking about, http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture...ank_bg.jpg&1=1
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post #4 of 42
5/1/06 at 4:02am
While I highly doubt this mod will be successful, you'll have my respect if you do somehow manage to pull it off. For all that work I'd just as soon dealt with a 17" Laptop and be done with it.
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post #5 of 42
5/1/06 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
While I highly doubt this mod will be successful, you'll have my respect if you do somehow manage to pull it off. For all that work I'd just as soon dealt with a 17" Laptop and be done with it.


i'm considering getting one and doing it as a project for school, but it's a lot of $ for a poor college student
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post #6 of 42
5/1/06 at 8:41am
So If i understand correctly, you're planning to do a lot of custom modding in order to put a 7900GS into an e1505.

In fact the modding is so significant that you're going to be left with a laptop that won't close, needs an external keyboard, has no ethernet or wireless (no internet or lan gaming), is heavier than an e1705, costs a heck of a lot more than an e1705, and incorporates a watercooler designed for a desktop x1900xtx that's supposed to fit in a full sized pci slot.

So really the experiment is to see if you can make a dell laptop work as a desktop by removing portability and functionality? Ando you want someone else to take the dangerous first step of putting a modded xps m1710 bios onto their e1505 that's still under warranty?
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post #7 of 42
5/1/06 at 12:44pm
good call, DarthPierce.

Cirthix, maybe you should do one of those referral programs and get yourself a frankensteiner that way.
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post #8 of 42
5/1/06 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by DarthPierce
So If i understand correctly, you're planning to do a lot of custom modding in order to put a 7900GS into an e1505. In fact the modding is so significant that you're going to be left with a laptop that won't close, needs an external keyboard, has no ethernet or wireless (no internet or lan gaming), is heavier than an e1705, costs a heck of a lot more than an e1705, and incorporates a watercooler designed for a desktop x1900xtx that's supposed to fit in a full sized pci slot. So really the experiment is to see if you can make a dell laptop work as a desktop by removing portability and functionality? Ando you want someone else to take the dangerous first step of putting a modded xps m1710 bios onto their e1505 that's still under warranty?
the keyboard should fit fine if i can make the gpu waterblock thin enough, the network jack can be relocated with a few wires, some hotglue, a fline, and a drill, and that wc system is only 1 slot thick, which is thnner than the inside of the e1505. wireless networking isnt a huge deal for me anyway and the expresscard slot will still be there if i do need it in the fututre. if the keyboard closes, it's still a laptop
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post #9 of 42
5/1/06 at 3:22pm
awesome idea!
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post #10 of 42
5/1/06 at 5:10pm
Wow! That would be sweet if it worked and didnt COMPLETELY void the warranty.

I say you should do it!
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post #11 of 42
5/1/06 at 5:36pm
yeah, with your own computer.
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post #12 of 42
5/1/06 at 11:20pm
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update: I got approval from my school to do it as a project for a credit. gonna see if i can get a free or very cheap laptop from dell because it's for a project/mod/mod-review. I'd really appreciate it if someone here tried the bios. In all honesty, i really doubt that they are different enough to stop the comp from booting.
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post #13 of 42
5/2/06 at 12:07am
If you know much about how a bios works, all it takes is one single change in memory address or something and you have a mobo that dosn't boot.
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post #14 of 42
5/2/06 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by SSChicken
If you know much about how a bios works, all it takes is one single change in memory address or something and you have a mobo that dosn't boot.
it might be best to modify the existing bios. someone give me their bios dump please
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post #15 of 42
5/2/06 at 9:26am
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cpu block design. gpu will be similar, but i'll try to get it thinner. using 1/4" id pipes with 1/4" id tubes stretched over them looks like the best option

i need to add the water-spreading area before it hits the pins, but i can do that tomorrow.
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post #16 of 42
5/2/06 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by Cirthix
1: yes, it's risky, but is the end result worth it.

2: d810/m70. 7900gs uses less power than the quadro that is stock on the m70 (22w for the 7900gs vrs iirc, 29w)

cooling is something to worry about after the card works with the motherobard

my ideas on cooling:....

if you don't know what i'm talking about, http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture...ank_bg.jpg&1=1


cooling is something that NEEDS TO be looked at BEFORE someone takes that chance with a laptop.

this is never going to happen
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post #17 of 42
5/2/06 at 1:29pm
let the person try it and learn from it.
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post #18 of 42
5/2/06 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by chevyrulz099
cooling is something that NEEDS TO be looked at BEFORE someone takes that chance with a laptop.

this is never going to happen

well, i'm sure it'll happen eventually, but it's gonna take a lot of busted lappys to get there.
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post #19 of 42
5/2/06 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by storino03
let the person try it and learn from it.


with a 1000$ laptop? thats a little too daring of a suggestion i think.

people can do whatever they want with their investments, i still dont think this will ever happen, the cooling just will NEVER be there for it.

hell it overheated in the 9400 (and that has two fans!)
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post #20 of 42
5/3/06 at 12:41am
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look guys, overheating is not a problem if you dont constrain yourself to the dimensions of the notebook. heat is the LAST thing to worry about. the first step is getting the card working, then i'ts getting it working inside the case.

I need the bios dumps
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