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post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
Alright all, in the search of a new laptop computer, starting to think more seriously about it now and have a few questions;

I’ll outline my purposes for the machine to qualify the spec in your minds. Gaming machine is more so what I’m looking for, I want to run CAD programs and have the option of running newly released games, I don’t intend to fundamentally upgrade the laptop in future (since its so awkward) so higher end components to ensure longevity are a preference. Portability is not a major issue, and battery life is not a concern given the demands of the components I propose the use of (average >2 hours)

I have roughly £1500 to spend (approx. $3000) I don’t particularly want to spend that much, but if it proves worthwhile, then I would consider the expenditure.

a)[Software perspective] Firstly, is it the right time to buy? With Windows Vista well under development am I wasting my time purchasing XP again?

b)[Processor Considerations] For the most part I have looked at Intel chipsets, however AMD seem to be more predominant in the higher end market, do you each have considerations or reservations with regards to these manufacturers? Which suits the job of multitasking and gaming processes best against the costs? Intel using DDR2 a real consideration?

c)[Processor Models] If Intel seems to be the clear choice, what grade of processor should be looked at? Dual core is the new option for laptops but would it suit a high end model better than the older available models? +2 gig is that I feel I am after, worthwhile paying that extra (when considering longevity)?

d)[RAM] I want to push the boat out and opt for 3 gig of RAM if the laptop supports it, in my experience its been the most cost effective upgrade, is DDR still the boy or is SD making a come back, is it likely that laptops will be released with the 3 gig option soon? I have seen very few.

e)[Graphics Card] This is a grey area for me, nVidia or ATi? 512 seems to be the choice or is dual 256 on SLi a better approach. The latest graphics cards generally are well over priced, but I still want something that will last, tough one.

f)[Manufacturer] I have scouted a few big and small names here’s the run down, add to it?;

- First look was the Dell XPS (people generally have low opinions of Dell, I need to know why other than service reasons) if the sale comes with their double memory offers and free shipping is this a decent option? Is the laptop itself relatively good value for money?

- Alienware; not sure what model again processor choices hindered my progress, is this manufacturer worthwhile considering? Seemingly better value than Dell but I’m not entirely sure.

- Acer; again not familiar with range, but seem to offer better value, however do they produce a higher end module?

- Ibuypower.com? customise of doom? Worthy or not? Sell to uk?

- Rock Computers is another, expensive though

No doubt there are a host of others, advice on which of these (even if not to buy with) would be helpful, including a reason why.

I know this seems a lot, I’ve tried to make it as clear as possible, with the split topic areas (i.e. a, b, c etc) its intended that people with specialist knowledge can input in their areas (i.e. graphics enthusiast answering part “e”) thanks for the help anyone can offer, I appreciate the time you may spend answering.

Thanks
post #2 of 5
Rock and Alieware may likely give you the same laptop with a different case.

The only 512MB GPU I've seen in great numbers so far is the 7900GTX, dual SLI - for $3000, you might be pushing it with $3000.00. I know Sager is going to have a 20" SLI system, but I think its going to be more than $3000.

If your going for 3GB, you might as well do 4GB with paired ram.

Based on your GPU and memory needs.... $3000 might be pushing it, I built a Dell like the one in your specs but with 4GB and it was over $8000
post #3 of 5
You are not going to get what you want for only £1,500.

Rock Direct expensive? I have never heard that before but I'm not from the UK. They do come very well configured. Their machines seem very competative to me for what you get. Rock has very good components. Here is a review of 3 companies in UK selling the same Clevo:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/articl...ge=5391&head=0

I'm not aware of any higher end notebooks with more than 2gb ram. (edit) it looks like there are a few. In the US you can get XPS M1710 with 4gb...big money. This is not an option in Dell UK.

If you get a XPS M1710 with a 2.0 Duo, 2gb ram, and a 512mb 7900 GTX off of Dell's Uk site you are looking at £1,922 (inc VAT). If you drop the warranty to only 1 year (which I would never do on a notebook that expensive) you can get it down to £1,734 (inc VAT).

I would say go for the Rock Xtreme CTX T2400 for £1,526 (inc VAT) and upgrade the ram to 2gb if you can afford £125 more:
http://www.rockdirect.com/rockshop/s...rcd=XCTX-T2400
Intel Core Duo T2400 (1.83GHz)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home
1GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
100GB (7200rpm) HDD
17” WSXGA+ X-Glass TFT Screen (1680 x 1050 Res)
Nvidia Geforce Go 7900 GTX 256mb
8 x DVD Dual Layer (+/-) Writer
Intel® Pro 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN
Support for S-ATA Hard Disc Drives
7.1 Surround Sound Output
Bluetooth & 4-in-1 Card Reader
Webcam with digital zoom
1 x Firewire / 3 x USB 2.0
Microsoft® Works 8 & BullGuard Antivirus
Carry Case
3yr Collect & Return Warranty

Another good company in the UK is AJP. You can configure the same Clevos as Rock:
http://www.ajp.co.uk/

And also Evesham:
http://www.evesham.com

Good luck!
post #4 of 5
The question is, as it always is: How much are you willing to spend to be right, *right* on the bleeding edge?

Usually you can sacrifice 10% performance and save $1000. When I bought my machine I got an Athlon 64 3400+ and Radeon 9600 for $1250; I could have spent $1k more and gotten a Radeon 9800, but I figured it wasn't worth it.

2 GiB of memory will be enough for almost anything for the forseeable future.

For processors: Either AMD or Intel will do fine for games and CAD stuff, since neither is particularly processor-limited. AMD is typically better in price/performance, but because of the way the release schedules have shaken out you can't (except for boat-anchor machines) get an AMD dual-core in a laptop yet. This should change in a month or two, though.

Realistically, AMD vs. Intel won't make much difference.

Vista won't either. Vista won't do anything that XP won't, really; don't worry about it.

The video card will probably be your biggest factor. Figure out what level of video performance you want, and get the cheapest machine that has an acceptable processor/ram/etc with that card in it.

I'm not convinced that you get what you pay for in those monster 5-kilo machines. You can generally get a box for $thousands less that performs just as well for most everything, generates half the heat, gets twice the battery life, and weighs a couple of kilos less.
post #5 of 5
Thread Starter 
thanks for the advice guys, as I look around i'm hearing things like "10%ish increase in noticable performance once you spend over £1000" which makes me think that 1500 is too much and not worth the extra, ideally like most things I don't want to spend over the odds, but want a functional long lasting unit. A bit of a dialema.

Vista is another thing looming on my mind. http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=150925
as highlighted in that thread, notibly;
"I don't think you can futureproof a laptop at all with Vista on the horizon, espically in terms of games."

A little worrying when I'm considering purchacing.

I've deduced so far that Duo may not be worth the extra, but it offers the DDR2 ram which seems better, and in terms of future the duo seems to have a better longitivity compared to the Pentium M (on vista accounts)

7200rpm make much of a difference compared to 5400? cost effective?
512 Go 7900 GTX, much better than the 256 version?

this alongside a roughly 2ghz processor (either 2ghz Pentium M or 1.6 or 1.8 Duo) achieveable for a budget of around £1100?

If not which is a more cost effective setup, lower processor speed for higher graphics capability. Any light shed would be great, thanks for your help so far.
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