when is the next model after 7527 coming out ?

if u r looking for more amd machines then might as well as forget it. gateway has made a corporate decision to go intel. so unless u like gateway regardless of what cpu they r using, then the next models will be concentrated on either celeron or duo-centrino

the m505x group would be happy - though i would not myself invest on a duo-centrino at the moment unless they can come up with something that would break the amd64 (and duo on the way). the turion at the moment can pretty much compete head to head with the duo-centrino

cheers ...

o rly? i'll believe it once the AMD64 is removed from the eMachines website: http://emachines.com/# *looks at current Gateway desktops on CompUSA, sees 4 AM64s and 2 intels* nope, i dont believe it

need to restate my remark then - no newer AMD notebook/laptop/mobile pc :-)

cheers ...

Did they actually say that? They've been selling AMD in the retail channel for a long time and doing Intel-only on their website laptop models. Plus the 4000+ is the fastest AMD mobile chip to date, so they don't really have anything to upgrade to yet anyway. Even the FX60 is only at 2.6, although it's dual-core.

[kaido] would u show me where one can buy a NEW (no special or back order) mx7525 at the moment? :-)
u r dead on about the latest amd performance though!

cheers ...

it was replaced by the 7527, of course when a new one is released the old one isnt available anymore

ouch! u got me there :-)
but then, i plead my case one last time -

THE latest mx7527 is only an overblown m6805, pardon my language. Sure it has a 4000+ , but they do not even have the decency to deliver it with pc3200 ram and with a better vidcard. The X600 is just a fancy name for an oc'd 9600/9700. Targa and Medion delivered their m68xx version with a whopping 9700/128MB card. eMachines would have done the same should they kept their nerve and not selling out to Gateway.

Now then, everybody who is anybody in the laptop business has started their lines with Turion, it makes no business sense to roll out an overblown a64 laptop that would burn ur laps when ur competitors r pulling away from u, unless u just want to get rid of the old "eMachines" inventory. Before eMachines, it existed NO Gateway amd laptop, and it will exist no Gateway amd laptop after "gateway branded" eMachines are all gone.

but then again, by next week, i might be wrong :-)

just to make it clear i do like gateway intel machines, but i think they will have a hard time repeating the success of the m505x/xl and m675 series

cheers ...

Aside from ebay, you might be able to find it at a local Best Buy. Sometimes they still have old stock; when I worked at Staples we didn't always have the latest stuff on the shelves. The 7527 is the same thing with a bigger hard drive though, so no biggie. Plus it's the same price ($1,300 US), which is a steal for what you get. What's weird is that the desktop version of the 4000+ only runs at 2.4ghz...

firstly, FYI, in reality, eMachines was the one that bought Gateway, not the other way around. on paper, it was Gateway that bought eMachines, simply because the value of Gateway stock at the time wasnt very high and it would have been a big loss to eat it all up and privatize Gateway. the heads of Gateway are all eMachines leaders. so throw that "kept their nerve" thing out the window. Gateway has a number of Turion notebooks out there, made by Quanta (which isnt the OEM eMachines used), so the Turion argument is out. They use this line because it sells well, and has always sold well. the 9700 version didnt sell well by Medion and Targa, and Arima stopped making boards with that card about 6 or so months after they had started. the x600 is a PCI-e interface, which, despite the fact that that the card itself isnt very much more powerful, does increase performance a good bit. and, FYI, eMachines co-designed the Arima W30-K8, which was the first Mobile AMD64 notebook, as well as one of the first major brand 64-bit notebooks, and has done very well since inception they sell, and will continue selling, the generational 6805 line, because it makes them money. it performs nearly as well as any top gaming notebook, but sells for considerably less than other companies, allowing them to sell a lot more of them and make profit.

i stand by my statement :-) and holding on to my "kept their nerve" thing a bit longer :-)


i stand corrected :-(



i do not follow the statement that 9700 version didn't sell well, they have 5 different version of this laptop type and were selling like hot cakes in their territories. i tried to buy a used targa811a and it would have cost me $800+ and then international shipping and custom.
m6805 and targa 811a came out new with the same price range. if targa was being offered in usa, i would get one myself instead of the emachines (sorry emachines :-)) in order to use a 9700 instead of 9600.
targa, medion and other clones offered mobile a64+9700/128, they now offer turion+x700/256. gateway offered (emachines) mobile a64+9600-64 / (gateway) bigger mobile a64+9600-64 and now (gateway)turion+oc'd9600 (9700/128) (well i mean x600) - at the same price range, and their price is tax inclusive!


nice background, but then i for one always believe that the m68xx machine was and is still a piece of art and of good technology and of good money - no argument there. too bad now that gateway throws away emachines idea/design and decide to get some new OEM - hmm, i wonder if the "emachines" gateway bosses have any decison making in this knafu.


righto, that is why they are squeezing the juice out of this by stuffing in a large cpu and keeping the rest. Sad, real sad - emachines would never push the m68xx past 3400+, it is just simply not a good design ( a cheat in the eyes of hardware hack like myself), but then it is fact when u sold out, gateway drives the business nowadays -
well, i m keeping my m6805 and supercharging it a bit at a time, lots of demand out there still for the m68xx series still.

bottom line . back to the basic - "when is the next model after 7527..."
1. using mobile a64, using emachines core, this is the end with the 4000+, unless they fancy to put in better ram and vid card and create something new out of it.
2. going the turion way, i admit that i was wrong in this, it might be already out there.

cheers ...

relative to the sheer number of units pushed in the US, they didnt sell very well. that, combined with the manufacturing issue with the hinges, caused them not to sell very well. if you look at the Arima site, they no longer list 9700 as an option for the W730-K8 (which they still sell), and that was removed back before I stopped working at eMachines around this same time last year. and the price has gone down, by rather a lot. when the M6805/6807 were introduced the M6805 retailed at $1700 and the M6807 at $1800. that was for a 60GB hard drive, a 3000+, 512MB of RAM and a single-layer DVD burner in the M6807. in contrast, I bougt my machine at $1400, and there was a regular $150 rebate for it (but i missed the rebate when I purchased mine :\\ ) . my machine has a 3400+ (which was the newest at the time), 1GB of RAM, an 80GB hard drive, a glossy screen, and a dual-layer DVD burner. the previous quarter (over a year ago) they had less specced ones (like with 256MB RAM and only a 3000+), for about $800 Arima simply can't push everything, they dont have the kind of facilities. As eMachines was expanding, they were looking at expanding the OEMs for different needs, and Quanta was one of their choises. Q3 and Q4, 2004, there were several Quanta-OEM eMachines notebooks planned, however they fell through because they weren't ready yet. but when they were still selling them eMachines branded the 3400+ was the fastest Mobile AMD64.... for quite a while.... it wasnt until the middle of Q1 last year that the 3700 was released, and as soon as it was they released a machine with it (7426GX) every team at Gateway is headed by the employees from eMachines. that was the entire point, eMachines was doing things well, and Gateway needed their direction to do things well as well. every machine they decide to make, from desktops to notebooks to whatever, is all designed by emachines. they call the shots, they lead the company

i see, u used the us market number, if that is the case then eMachines were just as bad in europe :-)

:-)


that what i was saying, that the old targa/medion (m6805) line is selling used for $800+, adding 3400+ it would push them right around $1000, i can not see the good retain value in the new gateway machines.

:-)

Yeah, over the past year or two I've seen a lot more Arima-chassis laptops at school and whatnot. People are realizing they can get a killer mobile machine for the price of a nice desktop now. The only real downfall is gaming; while it doesn't stink, it's not great either. I played HL2 at 800x600 all the way through on my 7405gx if that tells you anything. The graphics card is the main reason I'm selling my 7405gx and getting a desktop (plus to get the nice DVI connection). I wish that Gateway would figure out how to put a mini-PCI graphics card in there, so they could sell it with an X600 but then we could upgrade to a 7900-go or something. I will definately consider Gateway in the future for a laptop purchase; I just hope they get on the ball with the graphics card. Having a 2.6ghz 4000+ with an X600 is almost a crime

Everything else about the laptop is just small qualms. It's a little more hefty than I'd like, but the power more than makes up for it. The battery life stinks, but again there's the power to consider. The hinges crack, but it's just a cosmetic thing. It's got so many nice features it's hard to pass up. It's going to be interesting to see what Gateway does with future models!

No more AMD based laptops?!?! Tell me this is just a really short temporary move. How can they do this when the last retail numbers I saw put AMD at 80%? I know some people are waiting for Conroe/new Core Duo, but that shouldn't be cause to just drop AMD as a whole should it?

oooh ouch, and a not-so-lighthearted retort in THIS thread where you actually made the comment

Now I just hope they don't it up by not releasing a model with at least an x1400 or better card installed. I really don't want to upgrade my laptop and get the horrible integrated x300.

Now I get to spend the next few weeks hitting the best buy site everyday to see if they've come in.

The desktop part is a socket 939 one. That means it supports dual-channel ram. When you use that feature it stands up for that rating, but if you only use one stick of ram it's performance would be rated as a "3800+" I suppose.

Just like if the mobile one was able to run dual-channel it would be rated at "4200+".