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post #21 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by SEMC
The 17" WXGA displays have always been 1440x900. The WXGA 15.4" is 1280x800. The widescreen displays break the resolution "rules." It only makes sense, even if the pixel density isn't increased, the 2" increase in area means an increase in amount of pixels.

Example: Keeping the pixel density the same, increase the size of the screen = more pixels. Just because the pixel density is kept constant, doesn't mean the pixel density is decreased.

Anyway, the 4780 released in November or last year was 1440x900. The 8790 uses the same screen.
You are assuming that the maker of the LCD have the liberty to keep their pixel density constant. But that is not the case. Displays have to accomodate the resolution of software programs. For that reason a standard body (I can't remember which one) desclares several valid resolutions. That is why games can work on most resolutions without dithering. So when a larger display is made, the maker cannot simply extend the number of pixels of a smaller display. They have to rescale the pixels to fit a new pre-defined resolution. The 17inch screen must use one of these: WXGA, WSXGA, WSXGA+, or WUXGA. If it's resolution is not one of these games will have to be played after being rescaled, which is very unpleasant.
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post #22 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
The display resolution does indeed seem wrong. The wide aspect resolutions are as follows:

WXGA 1280x800
WSXGA: 1600*1024
WSXGA+: 1680x1050
WUXGA: 1920*1200

There is no such thing as 1440*900.
DW1--You're usually on the ball, so I'm thinking you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

But 1440x900 is standard rez for most 17" notebooks. It is the default rez for the LGPhillips LCD that powers most 17" notebooks.
1280x800 is WXGA for 15.4"
1440x900 is WXGA for 17"

You can check the lg-phillips site if you don't believe me: www.lgphilips-lcd.com
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post #23 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:22pm
You are right. 1440x900 is in fact a resolution used on 17inch displays. However, it is not one of the W?GA variety, which means that many games will not support it natively. The thing is, there are many nonstandard resolutions mixed with the ?GA resolutions. They came from industries other than the computer industry, such as the 16:9 resolutions, which came from ATSC. Using a non ?GA resolution may force some games to rescale to fit the screen. It may produce unwanted results. Thank you for believing in me.
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post #24 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:25pm

You are...

Absolutely correct, some games do not like the rez and rescale. Some games recognize the rez and don't. I think there is a whole forum on this somewhere...

I'm thinking that most new games will recognize the rez--it is the older games that have the most problem.

Cheers,

T
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post #25 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:26pm
Why not just stick with one of the W?GA resolutions just to be safe? I think WSXGA+ is great. And almost all games will support it.
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post #26 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:30pm
seems like these three examples are loaded to the max. with selective options the prices should drop quite abit.
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post #27 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:33pm

Darnit man :slap: wake up please!

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Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
You are right. 1440x900 is in fact a resolution used on 17inch displays. However, it is not one of the W?GA variety, which means that many games will not support it natively. The thing is, there are many nonstandard resolutions mixed with the ?GA resolutions. They came from industries other than the computer industry, such as the 16:9 resolutions, which came from ATSC. Using a non ?GA resolution may force some games to rescale to fit the screen. It may produce unwanted results. Thank you for believing in me.
Look, I didn't get much sleep last night, and I looks like you didn't either.

Ok, 1440x900 and 1280x800, and 1600x1024, and in fact all widscreen displays are having trouble with native game support. However modifications and patch updates are available to add support for widescreen resolutions. 1440x900 resolution support in games is actually more common than 1280x800 since 15.4 didn't really sell very well. The latest round of patches for a lot of games has added support for almost every widescreen resolultion. Those that don't can either be edited in the .ini file or the game auto stretches to fill the screen. While there is some distortion in the stretch games (Warcraft 3), you can also run those games in windows at the correct resoltion. So in the end, there are almost no games that are completely unplayable in one form or another.

So, let us agree to get more sleep before posting. My information comes from my saving up money for the 4780 and researching all of the technical aspects of all widescreen notebooks from the 15.4" Fujistu Siemens Amillo D 1840 I almost bought in Dubai to PC Torque's 4780 and the new 8790.
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post #28 of 81
2/6/04 at 12:45pm
You are right. Most wide-screen resolutions lack complete software support. But there is a fundamental difference between those resolutions with ?XGA in their names and those who don't. WXGA WSXGA+ and WUXGA are all resolutions of the computer industry. Throughout the years resolutions such as 1440x900 and 1920x1080 have creeped in, but they are from different industries and suffer from support limitations.
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post #29 of 81
2/6/04 at 2:23pm
FYI. The Sager add in the Maximum PC also shows the 8790 with the 256mb 9700. In fact, that is what made me start researching just how good the Sager was compared to other systems when it comes to gaming (that is all that matters.... everything other than gaming just doesn't matter).
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post #30 of 81
2/6/04 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by ratmyr
(that is all that matters.... everything other than gaming just doesn't matter).
Beg to differ, but I expect my machines to generate income. Generally at the rate of 50 to 1 over the life span of the machine. Gaming is immaterial to me. Pretty much a useless waste of time.

But perhaps your statement is somewhat correct since I consider making 3D models of clients' dreams more recreation than work, I suppose you could consider it a game of sorts. But in the end, the point is revenue. How much over how long. The more efficient a machine makes that process the better, the more power and speed it has, the more I can do and the more interesting and consequently fun the work can be. Which means more income with greater satisfaction. Which means the means to more powerful computers and the cycle continues.
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post #31 of 81
2/6/04 at 4:30pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MARQUISDARQUIS
Beg to differ, but I expect my machines to generate income. Generally at the rate of 50 to 1 over the life span of the machine. Gaming is immaterial to me. Pretty much a useless waste of time.
I hearby second this statement. Wholeheartedly.

Not all of the users posting in this forum are of the younger, hardcore gaming persuasion. There are we few who absolutely require a true desktop replacement, with the processing power found therein, in various lines of business. A number of mobile professionals do, although one does sacrifice a small amount of true "mobility" when choosing a Sager. For myself, the choice seemed quite obvious as I was already accustomed to carrying an eleven pound machine across the tri-state area.

Being able to actually demonstrate a proposed OLAP or ROLAP environment on my own mobile machine during a consultation away from the office is quite worth the few pounds extra. It will, as MARQUISDARQUIS astutely pointed out, indeed actually generate revenue. While not the only thing that matters in life (though certainly above "gaming"), it is certainly important to myself, my family, and my clientele.
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post #32 of 81
2/6/04 at 4:50pm
Hey, you stole the signature I used a while ago.
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post #33 of 81
2/6/04 at 4:52pm
Major reason that I bought a Sager years ago was so that I could simulate IBM MVS programs that normally run on a Mainframe on the Laptop. The application presented were utilities to identify and "fix" date logic for the Year-2000 problem (??). All of the other machines were wimpy and real slowwwwwwww... Games are nice; however, money is nicer. More games does not make me as happy as does more money..
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post #34 of 81
2/6/04 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by ActuaryTm
I hearby second this statement.....It will, as MARQUISDARQUIS astutely pointed out, indeed actually generate revenue. While not the only thing that matters in life (and certainly above "gaming"), it is certainly important to myself, my family, and my clientele.

Just for kicks - When I had my Sager 5660 and when I was playing BF1942 full steam on my university LAN - I made a total of $540.00 in prize money over 5 months of excellent sniping.

Who said games dont pay

Of course - 540.00 is not much over 5 months but I saved every penny of it and all that money is going towards my next sager
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post #35 of 81
2/8/04 at 10:16pm
Thread Starter 
Added hyperlink to higher resolution scan. Found by mousing over the included scan in the original post, or by following this link.
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post #36 of 81
2/8/04 at 10:54pm
Sweeeeet. Can now see everthing clearly even when printed.
Thanks,
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post #37 of 81
2/8/04 at 11:04pm
I see a lot of these ads popping up everywhere. Some by PCT and some by Sager. They are in a lot of computer magazines I subscribe to, but not all of them show the same configs or the same prices. Intriguing.
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post #38 of 81
2/9/04 at 8:00am
Goes to show you that Sager and PC Torque must be doing something right. Increased advertising normally is a healthy sign of good cash flow (in keeping with the sub-text of this thread about generating income from laptops).

Gaming, CADing, Trading, Architecting, Surfing, Excelling, etc, who cares what we use them for, we all know why we have Sagers - they just kick ass.
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post #39 of 81
2/9/04 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
I see a lot of these ads popping up everywhere. Some by PCT and some by Sager. They are in a lot of computer magazines I subscribe to, but not all of them show the same configs or the same prices. Intriguing.
Please scan and share the PC Torque ad?
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post #40 of 81
2/10/04 at 7:46am

The statement I made above was/is what's important to me (thus my statement of reseaching for my next laptop). My laptop has always been to provide relaxation and stress relief from normal work (fyi, I am not part of the younger core, rather a professional responsible for a Network Operations and Security Center in Germany for the US Army). I use a lot of laptops for work, but I don't look for equipment with tons of storage, fast performance and kick ass video. The criteria above is a must for my home laptop because after 12-14hr days at work.... my computer life at home is to relax. And since I am on the road a lot, I like to take my games with me (and movies). I have desktop systems that blow my laptop away as well...... but they are a pain to carry from place to place.

In any case, my post was not to offend anyone, but basically state why I have been looking at the Sager's. I am not in a rush, so it will be interesting to see what happens with the 8790, Dell XPS/9100 and others are out on the streets and see what happens. But the sager from PCTorque with a custom paint job is my current plans.

Thanks for the response.
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