Black screen first boot, then fine next boot?

I've added my current diagnostic opinion for this post http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=53355 <<here

Jack, I thought you had a HP Pavilion dv8210us, are you talking about a dv8210us, or a dv8000z /dv8000t.

Please when your posting POST the correct model number in the BODY of your post, or posts.

The reason is allot of people configure their user settings to NOT display "sigs".... Additionally on alot of boards when threads are archived "sigs" are stripped out to save disc space.

If someone is doing a search say six months, 2 years from now and the model number being talked about is not referenced... allot of good info goes to waste, may never be found... and it to some extent sort of wastes persons time who may have responded in that thread.... Since the "fixes", the suggestions aren't referenced to a model, or are referenced to the incorrect model.


Say for example, YOU were having this problem a year from now..you do a search with the dv8210us model number and the "sigs" have been stripped to save disc space and no-one else posted "dv8210us" in that thread...

Say in that thread a "fix" was found... The chances of you finding the info greatly decreases... since you were using the model "dv8210us" to search with, instead of dv8000 as the model number.


Hope I explained all that right. Hope you understand. The reason I mention it is so at a later date any usefull info can be found easily..


PS: I think I saw something on HP's site about this issue, or related to it. Something about it hanging at boot.

Of course it could be a memory problem.
Could also be related to something connected to the USB port.

RE: Well, if you look at my sig, it tells you exactly what I have.


Jack, re-read the post again, this time SLOWER. You're missing the point.

Yes your sig shows the info now, but on most boards when info is archived the sigs are stripped OUT.

If someone a year from now is doing a search of Google for example with dv8210us as part of the search parameters and you've listed in the body of the post it's a dv8000, that's going to screw them up.

(Another big problem can occur when people change their "sig" and the info in the sign doesn't match up with what is being talked about.)

Re-read my previous post a couple of times and maybe you'll understand. I thought I had explained it.

Basically when posting try to put yourself in the place of someone 6 months,a year or two from now that is searching for info...

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One more thing, Glad you fiqured what was causing the problem (thought it might be USB related)...

That being said, when you start a post, or post asking for help and do fiqure out what was causing the problem, post back the details in the thread(s) you were asking for help in... I do see that you posted on another board, that's great but since you posted here asking the same question you should post the fix here as well in case the other board is down, or the post on the other board gets deleted.

Again, so the info and ideas offered may help someone else.

Think two -way street when asking for help, instead of one-way street. What I mean is to post with the mindset of not only finding a fix to your problem, but to provide info to someone in the future who may have the same problem, and may be searching for info.

Hope you understand. On this board it may indeed be archived with the post. On most all boards the sigs are stripped out. Another considertaion is on most boards the "sigs" (at least before the info is archived) can be changed at will, which will mean the info, issue being talked about and fixes presented to the problem by other people won't match up correctly. On structuring your post, the reason for posting the correct model number,etc in the body of the post is three fold: 1: To provide info to other members, so they can help you FASTER, BETTER. 2: To reference any ideas, any fixes to that model number, type of problem. 3: To have the info "in there" so it becomes part of the "permanent record" so to speak so search engines later will "see" the mfg, model number and problem being talked about and "fix".... saving the future searcher untold hours of grief. Basically what I'm trying to say is posting such info makes the thread much more useful to others and is a better use of persons time who may have taken some time out of their busy day to try to help. I'll give you three examples: 1: Say someone was to PM you on an issue (Private Message)... You exchange several PM's back and forth. Each PM costing you 5-10 minutes out of your life. 2: Same issue, but someone posts on the board. They do not provide detailed info. Inccorrect, or No model number, etc.. Or they rely on their "sig" to present that info. Sig changable, or being subject to being stripped out. 3: Same issue, but someone posts on the board with detailed info in the BODY of the post. On: #1, Takes 25-50 minutes out of your life, helps (1) person #2, Takes 5-10 minutes out of your life, helps the (1) person who was asking... Also takes time out of other people's day (other posters) who are trying to help also. Info has to be "dragged" out of the OP on what model number is being talked about, what Operating system is being run, SP level, bios version, etc, etc. Because of such say 5 or 10 people are out 5 minutes each.... Info helps that (1) person... and maybe (5) others that are lucky enough to stumble across the info. #3 Post has detailed info in it, Because of such this helps others help the OP FASTER. Reduces the time spent by all concerned... Search engines later on can access the FULL body of the text (Issue, model number, OS being run, "fix" to the issue being discussed) Net result is info helps that (1) person (The OP), plus the post, or thread helps 100, or 1,000 people. As you can see, #3 is the best.

Glad to hear it. Hope I explained it well enough. On making the info a "sticky" for newcomers, etc... Feel free to use any ideas presented. You made a comment about people with a 300 post count.... Heck I've seen people with twice or three times that many posts, posting crappy info. On allot of boards they have a "lounge section" and people post a bunch of el-crap-ola just to get their post count up... On the other hand I've seen excellent posts by newbies, post count doesn't mean everything:-) I guess another way to explain it is some people when they post are ONLY looking to get a fix for "their" problem.... They have a me-me-me mindset.... Structuring their posts as such. (I.E, a "one way street") Others when they post are not only looking for a fix to their problem, but post in such a manner that someone else may later benefit from the info presented. (I.E. a two way street) On the info being posted in the body, vs in a "sig".. For instance on some of the cell phone boards I've been on people have a "sig" that only appears (1) per page.... If someone's talking about a problem it's easy to get lost, understand where someone may be coming from, hard to understand the details they are talking about if they post again on that same page. As the "sig" in the second post and beyond won't show... Addtionally that sig is "changeable", and that can confuse things ALLOT when someone is reading a post in which someone talks about their "phone" giving some really good info and they have later changed their "sig", reflecting a totally differant model phone, software, or hardware revision.

And then some, like WeAreNotAlone post to help people, but he doesn't refer to the info on the model that he is helping with. (And neither do I) lol

Here's the deal, I feel it's up to the person "asking" for help to post his info first. It's a small thing to ask for "free" tech support.
Keep in mind also that most of the info, tips I post are more so of a generic nature since I don't own one of each model HP, Or work on them everyday for a living.

Regardless how you feel on that, you have to admit that a post or thread in which someone is asking for help it is much more valuable if they post detailed info. It benefits all concerned.

To not do so is like going to the parts store, or asking for tech advice on your car and when the tech, parts guy asks you what's it doing, what is the mfg, model, option, engine package you say:

Give me a water pump for a "car".... Hey my car's doing XYZ... and then not telling the tech what kind of car, what year it is, etc... and expecting to get the correct part, or tech advice.

(Try it, go down to your local parts store and ask for a water pump for a "car"... The chances of you getting the parts are very slim... especially if the car your asking for parts for is at home in pieces and your driving another car.)

How about we do this, instead of hammering on the messenger, focus on the message.

I'm sure we are all in agreement that the person asking for help benefits from posting detailed info, detailed info that helps other help him faster... and I'm sure we're in agreement that info will help someone a year from now doing a search....

Dude, I wasn't serious. It's cool what you are doing, but lighten up a little. Some things aren't always spoken seriously. I mean, tech support isn't an end of the world scenario and some humor is good for everything.

I can understand that, but understand that for some people finding a solution to a problem is very serious and searching can take untold hours , Or may never be found at all sometimes because someone didn't take a few seconds to post the info I've talked about previously. PS: I agree with you that for the most part most peoples problems aren't the end of the world... and I'm all for humor... Didn't know that you were joking. One more thing so you'll understand better.... I used to be a "tech", working on flat-rate and those little "details" people leave out can break you. Time is money.... and we all only have so much of it before we take the final dirt nap.

Heh You should see how it is where I work... Anyone say "sweat shop"? 12hr/5day up to 8hrs most Sat. and a Sunday here and there. Low wages, lots of pressure.. A reason why some people do not get their notebooks satisfactorarily fixed the first time around, only so many notebooks you can do per day, and with them constantly pressuring the tech to do more and more, it's a numbers game, and it takes what you said about time is money to a different level. Alot of techs just look at the problem description, and then use experience on the normal cause of the issue, replace that part, then send it on. It's about the only way you can minimize the time spent on each laptop. Which is what the company wants. In fact, the company is trying to disconnect from the actual computer technicians (get them to leave) and hire more lower skilled workers to reduce the amount per hour they have to pay. A few techs to diagnose, and alot of anybody to repair. Factory. Yea I was joking, lol it would be ridiculous to ask you to post the details of someone else's computer whenever you post, hence why I said I didn't do it either Congrats Jack on your solution. I myself haven't seen that issue before, but I don't work on each type of laptop. Each has it's own quirky issues.