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Just got an Inspiron 6000 and need to fix it

post #1 of 16
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*Because this poste became to long I have tried to make a summary with all my questions at the end of this post. If you dont want to read what became a really short essay just scroll down to the end of this post, my post, and read only the summary.


Hi everyone, I am new here and I just got a used Dell Inspiron 6000 for free from a friend. I got it because I use a laptop almost all the time and have one with me everywhere and until now (quite a long time actually) I was borrowing a Dell Latitude X1, but now the owner is moving away and takes it with her. I don't have the money for a laptop right now and I believe that isn't going to change the coming few years, but I am very dependent of a laptop so another friend was kind enough to give me his old Dell Inspiron 6000. Now going from the X1 to the Inspiron 6000 is quite a change. While with the X1 it just worked as I wanted it to work from the day I got it, the Inspiron 6000 requires some more tweaking. I have now actually many questions to ask, but I have managed to narrow them down to the most important ones, I will ask about other issues another time. I will try to keep the post short, but please bare with me if it gets long.

My friend didn't care if the computer got broken so he always stressed the Inspiron 6000 to the max such as he always ran very intensive applications on it which required the max out of the CPU and the GPU (Ati X300) while he turned off the fan and didn't turn it on before the temperature reached 185 degrees Fahrenheit (85 degrees Celsius). This made the HDD complain (it has S.M.A.R.T) about overheating and the whole computer was so warm it could almost burn someone who touches it (you couldn't have it on your lap at all) and the battery was so warm it almost became bigger. Where the fan exhaust is its possible to see a heatsink and if you touched it, you would literary get burned (I did that once after he asked me to touch it). I was amazed at how warm the computer can get while still not crashing and burning up (he actually used the computer to warm up the room during winter, it was a small room). He did do some good stuff too like ran PowerPlay on the GPU and SpeedStep on the CPU to minimize heat and power used, and he undervolted the CPU too, for the same reason, but it still got that warm.

I cant do anything about the size and width of the computer, but I hope I can do something about the noise. I need it to be as noiseless as possible (the X1 didn't have a fan at all) and I have undervolted it, turned on PowerPlay, turned on SpeedStep (I use Notebook Hardware Control to do all that), installed I9KFanGUI (2.3 beta) and made profiles to keep the computer as noiseless as possible. My problem is that it always complain about the second fan. I turned of everything that has to do with the second fan and the profile I made I had selected "No Change" everywhere for the second fan, except for the last level since it didn't want to save the settings if I didn't have something there. I also raised the trigger temperature as high as possible so that it doesn't try to control the second fan ever. The problem is that it always pops up a warning that say it couldn't change the speed for the second fan. I can get up to several hundreds of this messages, even when the temperature is quit low because I am only using the computer to surf the web. The first fan does not even change speeds, so that means it is registering the right temperature, but I can understand why that message window always pops up then. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this?

Secondly I wondered for a long time if there actually isn't a second fan in this computer, because when I turn off the primary fan, I can still hear something, like fan fan running on the right side of the computer. And I9KFanGUI reports the number of RPM the second fan is running with. Why would it report it if there is nothing there? But now I think I found why I hear the sound (haven't found why I9KFanGUI reports a second fan and the speed of it though), I think it might be the HDD causing it and I would really like it to stop causing that noise. The X1 had a HDD and it didn't make that noise. Can someone help me get rid of this noise, how do I do that?

The Inspiron 6000 has a NEC DVD-writer and my friend told me he had flashed it to remove region-control, rip-lock and something else I cant remember. Now the problem is again noise, every time I insert a CD or DVD and read it, the drive makes a horrible noise. Not only is it loud but it is utterly horrible. I don't know how to explain it, but the best way I can think of is, remember the days with the really old printers (the 486 and earlier days or maybe I am just too old), the printer where the head had a tape and it went back and forwards when printing while making a horrible loud sound, thats exactly the sound my DVD drive is making. Actually the first time I heard it I thought to myself, what is going on, is it printing on the drive? This kinda renders the drive useless when I am working, because I need it to be as quiet as possible and a fan at quiet level is the maximum amount of noise I am allowed to make. Is my DVD drive messed up or is this normal? Has it anything to do with the custom firmware that removes rip-lock and region-control or not? What can I do to fix it? I have already tried software to limit the read speed, but even at the lowest speed it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. What should I do to fix it?

Another thing is that the Inspiron 6000 has a bluetooth module built inn and I have installed the drivers, which seem to be based on the Toshiba bluetooth stack. The problem is that I have software that is only compatible with the Microsoft Bluetooth stack. I tried to install the Microsoft bluetooth drivers, but with no luck. So now I ask is there a way to install the Microsoft bluetooth drivers?

I would also like to overclock/underclock the computer a little. I know this can be achieved by SpeedStep, but I would like to change the FSB too. I have searched, but haven't found any way. Is there any software (ClockGen, SoftFSB, etc...) that works with the Inspiron 6000? If not is there anyway I can do this?

Lastly I would like to add what my friend told me he experienced, he said that when he got his Inspiron 6000 he checked for dead pixels, very carefully and with pixel tester software and made sure he didn't have any dead pixels. After a couple of months he noticed he had 3 dead pixels at the bottom of the screen. After many rubbing's to try and wake them alive, they are still there today. Luckily they are at the bottom so I don't mind them, but my friend is sure they weren't there when I got the Inspiron 6000. Is this normal, does this happen a lot? Do pixels die after some time? Is this something I should fear, that more pixels might fail after longer time and more use? And something unrelated to dead pixels, but still about the screen, how do I check what screen I have (Samsung or LG) without opening the laptop?

This post became longer then I wanted it and if you actually read it all I thank you a lot. I really hope to get some answers for my questions. Luckily from what I've read, this forum is full of smart and talented people and I am sure I am going to get some good answers. Thanks for your help everybody

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1. I9KFanGui always complain about the second fan. I turned off everything that has to do with the second fan and the profile I made I had selected "No Change" everywhere for the second fan, except for the last level since it didn't want to save the settings if I didn't have something there. I also raised the trigger temperature as high as possible so that it doesn't try to control the second fan ever. It still get messages randomly about it not being able to change temperature, even when the temperature is quit low and I have made sure it is registering the right temperature. What might the problem be and what can I do?

2. I9KFanGUI reports the number of RPM the second fan is running with. Why would it report it if there is nothing there?

3. I can still hear something when the first fan is turned off, is it the HDD? The X1 had a HDD and it didn't make that noise (the noise sounds like a fan). Can someone help me get rid of this noise, how do I do that?

4. The DVD-drive makes a horrible noise and that noise is not the spin up noise (which I can also hear and is not loud at all). It sounds like something is moving inside of the drive (I am not talking about the cd-spinning) and the best way to explain that noise would be how the really old printers worked, the printers where the head had a tape and it went back and forwards when printing while making a horrible loud sound. Is this normal? What can I do to fix it?

5. COuld the problem with the DVD-Drive have anything to do with the custom firmware that removes rip-lock and region-control which the drive is flashed with? I have already tried software to limit the read speed, but even at the lowest speed it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

6. The Inspiron 6000d has a bluetooth module running with the Dell drivers, which are based on the Toshiba bluetooth stack. Can I instead install the Microsoft Bluetooth stack/drivers? And how do I do that, because I have already tried unsuccessfully?

7. I would like to be able to change FSB too. I know this can be done on other laptops by using software such as SoftFSB or Clcokgen. Is this possible on the Inspiron 6000d? And what software do I need? Or is it any other way to change the FSB?

8. There were no dead pixels when the previouse owner got the computer. Months later there were 3 dead pixels on the bottom of the screen. He has tried to revive them by using technics he read about on the net, but it didnt help. Now moths after no other pixel has failed, but the 3 dead ones are still dead. Is it normal to get dead pixels after some time of use? Do pixels die after sometime and should I fear that more pixels might fail after longer time and more use?

9. How do I check what screen I have (Samsung or LG) without opening the laptop?
post #2 of 16
oh my gawd...
post #3 of 16
Good job! A+ paper!
(sorry, had to do it )
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Originally Posted by storino03
oh my gawd...


could you just bullet point your questions?
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- there is no secondary fan, that is the hd spinning. there are options in the bios to make it quiter but you lessen the performance, there is also an option in NHC to do this

-you CANT overclock the cpu at ALL

-perhaps the gpu but why bother its only a x300

-plus if you are trying to get it quite (which it will never be because the 6000 are known for how loud they are) overclocking will only make that harder, becuse when you overclock you get more heat and therefor need the fans running faster.

- by making it run the hottest it will allow you will lessen the life span of the comp and for somebody that cant afford a comp i would suggest that you make it run as cool as possible, that my personal opinion.

- the cd bay drive on most notebooks are LOUD when they spin up to read the disc so this is normal, you will just have to deal with it. no matter it you friend changed the region codes and what not that will not affect the noise level of the drive.

- now you went form a x1 to a 6000, thats like going from a motorcycle to a suv. the x1 was quite because it had like a 1.1 ghz cpu and dedicated gpu and was the ultra portable buissness series laptop. you now have a bigger more powerful laptop that is made for multi-media. something the x1 is not.

- some facts that you need to face
the 6000 will make a lot of NOISE
it is bigger and more powerfull
you need to try and stop making it quite because this is making it read slow and run hot, stupid if you ask me. id rather have the fans going and the hd spinning fast and have a fast responsive and yet cool running comp
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by merkyworks
-perhaps the gpu but why bother its only a x300
um hello? thats the reason to overclock? 30% across the board in games and benchmarks is not to be sniffed at...
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by James_2k
um hello? thats the reason to overclock? 30% across the board in games and benchmarks is not to be sniffed at...

well thats all fine and dandy but if the guy wants to run no fans then the LAST thing that he needs to be doing is overclocking.
post #8 of 16
fair enough. you said it like its not worth overclocking though. i.e. if he had a 7800 in there it would be? (for the temps i take it...) never mind
post #9 of 16
ya i mean any time you overclock it makes the performace go up. but for a guy that cant afford a new comp and is lucky to have a friend that gives him is old one then he should not push it to the max it can go. he should use it the way it came from the factory so that he can get the most life out of it. what happens if he fries the gpu from overclock it, doesnt sound like the guy can afford to fix it.
post #10 of 16
oh yeah and my 6k doesnt make any noise :P

aside from the hdd
post #11 of 16
my 6kd talks to me naughty laptop!!!
post #12 of 16
Why the hell would you stress a computer and wait till it reaches 85 celsius to turn the fans on. Thats just plain stupid if you ask me.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi thanks for all your replies. First of all I have now made bullet points for all my questions at the end of my first post since I know I can get carried away when writing amd write to much. Hope I can get answers for them all.

Let me clarify, I do not want to stress run my Inspiron 6000d, that was the previouse owner that did that and I really dont want to destroy my computer, but I am willing to push it a little. Secondly I do not want to turn off the fans and overclock at the same time (and I am also interested in underclocking). I am asking about both options because I can use them in different situations. I know there is a big difference between the Latitude X1 and the Inspiron 6000d and I am not expecting to have the same experience using the Inspiron 6000d as had using the X1, but I would still like to customize the Inspiron 6000d to fit my situation. I just want to customize it to my liking.

About the HDD, the option in NHC is set to quiet and was so by default, but it still makes noise like a second fan. The X1 didnt have this noise, so it must be possible to make it quiet. The question is how? Or is it because I have a more performance HDD then a silten HDD and that is the problem. Maybe the X1 had a silent HDD and the only way make it quiet is to change my HDD. Could this be it? NHC reports my HDD as HTS548060M9AT00 . Can anyone tell me about anything about it and if it fits in my theory of why it is making noise?

The problem with the DVD-drive is not spinning up, because that is something I can hear and is not making much noise. It is something else, it sounds like something is moving inside the dvd-drive (I am not talking about the cd) and therefore I was wondering if it might be something the custom firmware might have done. It works, it just that it makes alot of noise, it is porbably the noisiest part of the computer and it is noiser then most Desktop computers and any laptop I have ever seen. That is why I am asking if this is normal and if there is something I can do. Any suggestions?

Lastly I want to say that I would love to disregard sound/noise and just use it the way it came from the factory, but this is not up to me. If I want to take it with me and write notes and stuff it has to be as quiet as possible (especially in some of the more advanced rooms)and therefore I am trying to find a way to make it more quiet. I dont care if it gets slow just as long as it is quiet.
post #14 of 16
ok the x1 might of had a 4200 rpm hd because dell offers the x1 with that stock, so you now have 5400/7200 rpm drive which is faster hence more noise. also the x1 might use a 1.8 drive size or something like that, this i am not sure about so that might not be the case but if the drive is smaller then it will make less noise. did you change the options in the bios to make it quieter, this is not the same thing as useing nhc.


when it comes to the dvd drive i would suggest going back to the original drivers and firmware to see if that helps. if not then oyu might just have a loud drive. how is a loud dvd drive going to be a problem in class? dont watch movies in class i guess.

if you want to make the comp run cooler then i suggest that you undervolt the cpu, this is not underclocking at all. you just simply reduce the amout of voltage that the cpu need to the point that it cant operate and then bump it up a few volts. do a search on this cause there are so many post on this and it explains how to do it. you do use nhc and this will make idle temps cooler. my m140 idles at 38c with this done.

try applying as5 to the cpu to make it run cooler as well. many people have said that it has reduced there cpu temps from 1-15 deg.

if the hd is just to loud then mabye you should get a 4200 rpm hd and put that in there. me being the nice guy that i am will be happy to take the LOUD hd off your hand

use everest or powerstrip to find out what screen you have.

in I9KFanGui go to options then cpu control temps and then under the second fan controls under the control by select control by gpu temps. then under the status reading tab make sure that read other temps and read status of second fan are not checked. i had a similar problem and this worked for me
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Leo_S84
Why the hell would you stress a computer and wait till it reaches 85 celsius to turn the fans on. Thats just plain stupid if you ask me.
yes it is..


who said 85?

on idle mine gets to 50 eventually with no fan. it can go to double that.. (i mean it can go to 100 and be ok, according to Intel, i dont want to test it myself )
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by James_2k

on idle mine gets to 50 eventually with no fan. it can go to double that.. (i mean it can go to 100 and be ok, according to Intel, i dont want to test it myself )

Yes, the cpu should sustain such high temperatures, but I guess your laptop would melt at that temperatures radiatiing from your cpu/heatsink.
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