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32 Bit Core Duo with 64 Bit Vista & Applications

post #1 of 12
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I am a bit amazed at the lack of discussion concerning the value and future compatibillity of the current 32 bit Intel offerings in light of the complete transition to 64 bit in the coming months and forever after. It would be extremely helpful, and I think is the responsibillity of the technichal press to provide complete information about how and why these 32 bit systems will and will not be fully compatible with 64 bit Vista and 64 bit applications going forward.

I am sitting on a well configured HP 9420 Core Duo laptop, that is a 32 bit CPU not 64 bit. I have not opened the box and am trying to decide wether or not to send it back and wait for the real thing.

I have found it very difficult to find good complete information on this. Particularly from HP, which seems to feel the less that is said about compatibillity of the latest 32 bit systems and the transition to 64 bit the better. From what I have gathered so far a 32 bit system, ie. Yonah Core Duo, will run 32 bit apps under emulation on Vista. I have found nothing that explains how a 32 bit system runs a 64 bit OS in terms of reconciling a 64 bit registry and the fundamental differences that exist between the two architectures and software. Will 32 bit systems be limited to the bare bones 32 bit verstion of Vista for example?

I can see some potential short term advantages with 32 bit in terms of the smaller overhead that is required. Still 32 bit is going to be past tense in the next couple of months.

As much as I need a laptop ASAP, I am hesitant to make this kind of investment in something that is not up to the standards of computing from here on out. I am a photographer so image editing and management, ie. Photoshop, are my most critical applications. I beleive Photoshop will be one of the first applications to go 64 bit, and would realy like to find some information that gets down to the facts (as opposed to "Designed for Windows XP 32-bit or 64-bit" logos and empty marketing assurances). Like I said I am amazed at how much these current, albeit powerful new 32 bit Core Duo systems, are hyped up without any qualification and in depth discussion of their limitations with 64 applications and Vista.
post #2 of 12
32 bit systems will run the 32 bit version of Vista and 32 bit apps natively not 'under emulation'. They won't run 64 bit os or apps.
post #3 of 12
Eh, according to MS, every version of Vista will be available as 32-bit as well as 64-bit. I have no idea where you got the emulation idea from, why would you run an x86 32-bit application on an x86 32-bit processor under an x86 32-bit OS through an emulator? And I don't hear any software vendors even talking about dropping 32-bit version of their software. Adobe certainly is not going to abandon 32-bit just because MS releases one of their OSes in 64-bit editions alongside the 32-bit. There are a gazillion PCs out there they couldn't target for their software if they drop 32-bit.

Besides, Vista's mainstream release is still at least 8 months away, so how is 32-bit going to be past tense in a couple of months?
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by pixtweak
Still 32 bit is going to be past tense in the next couple of months.

Couple months? please.

The athlon 64 desktop processor has been out for almost THREE years already. Yes the change to 64bit os's/apps is getting closer every day, but its not going to happen overnight. A 32bit laptop will be more than fine for at least 2 more years.
post #5 of 12
Hmmm... Interesting. So, umm... what will 64 bit operating systems do that 32 bit ones won't be able to do? I mean, I know Linux has 64 bit stuff, but I don't exactly use Linux everyday.
post #6 of 12
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First off I am new to this Forum and had responded using Quick Reply which seems to send my responses off to another planet. This time I hope it makes it, and that I don't end up with duplicate posts.

RE: "32 bit systems will run the 32 bit version of Vista and 32 bit apps natively not 'under emulation'. They won't run 64 bit os or apps."

Thanks this is exactly the kind of clear answer I could not get from HP. Not that the people I spoke to were trying to hide anything they just did not know. This is an important distinction to be aware of, but confusing given the information HP states and fails to clarify. The Sales people in Small Business that I spoke to were not aware that the Core Duos are 32 bit and assumed as I did that since they were "Vista Compatible" that they were 64 bit systems. 32 bit Vista is a different animal than 64 bit Vista and you will not be able to have the full features possible with the full 64 bit versions of Vista.

Regarding emulation I am now assuming this is the case when 64 bit systems using 64 bit Vista run 32 bit apps. I am still not clear how Apple has transitioned from 64 bit Power PC to 32 bit Core Duo, as I had understood that Adobe has a 64 bit version of Photoshop for use with the previous Macs. Excuse me if I am still a bit confused or getting things mixed up, that is why I am asking these questions and trying to get to the bottome of this. However, emulation is used in Vista to run apps and I am trying to nail down when it is used and how it will effect reliabillity and performance. It is called WOW64 and does the same thing as WOW under XP.

Also wondering to what extent upgrading will be possible to Direct X 10 support and HD standards. Direct X 10 sounds like an important standard to have for full compatibillity with Vista.

Again lost in my previous post that went somewhere else, I am a photographer and will use this system for image capture, editing and so on. Photoshop is my critical application, and I think it will be one of the first mainstream applications to go 64 bit.
post #7 of 12
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"Besides, Vista's mainstream release is still at least 8 months away, so how is 32-bit going to be past tense in a couple of months?"

If you anticipate that the best performing and capable version of your software is going to be 64 bit, you are going to have a complete range of options to choose from from both Intel and AMD in the next sixty to ninety days. At that point 32 bit becomes past tense in my book.
post #8 of 12
don't worry about it and enjoy you HP.

Intel's next generation processors, Conroe and Merom (desktop and notebook versions respectively) will be realesed this year, and you will be able to pop a Merom on your Core Duo notebook.

The good news? Merom is a 64 bit processor.
post #9 of 12
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"you will be able to pop a Merom on your Core Duo notebook"

If this is true, that does change things. I'll check with HP tomorrow. Hope your right.... Thanks
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post #11 of 12
While you CAN get some 64-bit stuff now it will be a LONG time before 32-bit stuff is eliminated. Think about all the stuff you can still run on that 5 year old hunk of crap you have in the garage, the list is long even if it cant run things very well. Your HP will be obsolete before 32-bit operating systems are.
post #12 of 12
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Food For Thought - Links

Seems there is still a great deal of indifference regarding 64 bit computing and Vista. Here are some resources that I have found helpful in trying to decide which system to buy and when to buy it...

The 64 Bit Question (Thanks to the Folks at Mobillity Guru for pointing me to this article):
http://www.mobilityguru.com/2006/02/..._than_reality/

Core Duo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Duo

EM64T:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T

The May Issue of CPU - Computer Power User also has a series of articles on Vista that touches on compatibillity issues with software and hardware.
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