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post #21 of 60
Nice review, I'm currently swept up in the hype as I've twisted a dell sales guys arm a little whilst doing a big order for work, and we have got an M1710 with the GTX, 1gb DDR2 and 100gb hdd on the quote, he couldn't give it away but we settled on £4.94!! so if the plan gets approval this week then it will be winging its way to me

Nice to see the kit that comes in the box too, I can't wait
My old desktop had a 6800 ultra in it, hard to imagine a laptop kicking its ass but thats what its gonna do
"I'm bouncing off the walls again, woh-oh..."


But anyway, as I say, thanks for the review and updates too
post #22 of 60
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post #23 of 60
Heh no I really do mean £4.94 (a decimal point there) which equates to roughly $9 and 4 cents bargaining power hehe the total order is for 3 dual CPU servers, bigass UPS, tape autoloader,rack console and 24 port gigabit switch so he threw it in after much convincing, he just had to give it a price (it couldn't be free) (and this was AFTER i'd already beaten him down on price to match the cheapest competitor I could find!) but for the first major order I'm now impressed and will order again so I guess it works and is worth their while in the end.
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post #25 of 60
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Originally Posted by MrMsyvc

Here is a thread on some smaller, possibly gameable, laptops. It can be done. At least we are spoiled for choice. Rather than one size fits all, a person should be able to find a laptop that will suit his preferences, if he has the patience to wade through all the research. At least prices keep dropping. I have a receipt for a Dell XPS450mhz P-II, 128MB RAM, 16MB graphics card, 14.4GB HDD, that I paid $3100 for in Jan. 1999. Look at what you get for that buck now. LOL LOL LOL!

Yes, it is amazing how far we have come in the Computer age.
I really am looking at either the Dell XPS M1210 or the Asus W3J OR Asus A8JM.
The latter two are apparently quite capable gaming machines & are also rather portable. But the form factor of the M1210 has me smitten. Shame they couldn't squeeze a beefier video card in there

I am in the process of buying/building a Gaming desktop, so I don't really NEED a 17" DTR. However, it is very hard NOT to lust over the M1710!!

Enjoy your machine.

Cheers.
post #26 of 60
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Originally Posted by TheCrash
Yes, it is amazing how far we have come in the Computer age.
I really am looking at either the Dell XPS M1210 or the Asus W3J OR Asus A8JM.
The latter two are apparently quite capable gaming machines & are also rather portable. But the form factor of the M1210 has me smitten. Shame they couldn't squeeze a beefier video card in there

I am in the process of buying/building a Gaming desktop, so I don't really NEED a 17" DTR. However, it is very hard NOT to lust over the M1710!!

Enjoy your machine.

Cheers.
Subtract gaming from the mix and there are a LOT of workable, reasonably priced laptops. The e1405 and e1505 get a little more screen real estate, with the e1505 having "some" graphics options.
post #27 of 60
I cant wait to get my 1710 .. Superb notebook, even better review.
post #28 of 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMsyvc
I have a receipt for a Dell XPS450mhz P-II, 128MB RAM, 16MB graphics card, 14.4GB HDD, that I paid $3100 for in Jan. 1999. Look at what you get for that buck now.
I just ran across an even funnier (sadder) receipt, Aug. 1994, Micron P90PCI Powerstation desktop, 16MB RAM, Conner 540 (MB?) HDD, Stealth 64PCI (2MB?) graphics, Mag 17" CRT, etc, $4,017.00 tax incl. Oughta' be a ler (law).
post #29 of 60
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Great comparison and review of Core 2 Duo vs. Core Duo at Anandtech. I'll be looking to drop a new T7600 in within 4-6 months, price drops permitting.
post #30 of 60
great review man setteled thins as the nest lappie that i get lovin all the benchmarks that you gave us. thanks rep for you
post #31 of 60
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great review man setteled thins as the nest lappie that i get lovin all the benchmarks that you gave us. thanks rep for you
Thanks Drum. One of these days I want to get a comprehensive list of future possible upgrades, like:
1. T7600"G" overclockable cpu (unobtainable at this time), or just settle for a T7600 which currently is about $645
2. nVidia 7950GTX Go graphics chip (after I've OC'd the bee-jeesus out of the 7900, which is nearly what a 7950 is)
3. D/Dock with PCI-E slot, for ...
4. External HDTV tuner, such as the AutumnWave or Hauppauge, for OTA or Cable TV and recording
5. ???
post #32 of 60
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1st post updated Sat. 17 Feb 2007: Added info about T7600 CPU install, nVidia overclock, 160GB HDD external, OnAir GT USB HDTV Tuner. Krikey, I haven't added info about my D/Dock yet. It never ends.
post #33 of 60
People I am buying M1710 with 2-4GB of ram with 7950GTX... I want some portable monster for gaming and lans,... Do you think 7950GTX is better than 2 SLI 7900GSs from alienware aurorua?

thank you very much in advance
post #34 of 60
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Originally Posted by faction
People I am buying M1710 with 2-4GB of ram with 7950GTX... I want some portable monster for gaming and lans,... Do you think 7950GTX is better than 2 SLI 7900GSs from alienware aurorua?

thank you very much in advance
I haven't owned an SLI machine, but I've heard they're hard to configure. Also I think they are about 6 pounds heavier. My T7600 and 7900GTX with mild OC to 575-785 gets 5400+ in 3Dmark06 and 10,000 in 3DMark05. Compare that to an SLI. If I were buying today I would get the T7600G, which is overclockable to a stable 2.83Ghz or a fan-screaming 3.16Ghz, and the 7950GTX. If I could afford it I would get 4GB RAM so it would be maximum Vista-ready. Good luck!
post #35 of 60
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DELL D/DOCK, P/N PD01X (added 2 Mar 2007):



This is the older docking station for the D400/410/500/510/600/610/800/810/M90 (and more) series of Dell laptops. It works fine for the M1710. There are a LOT of them for sale on eBay. I paid $32.99 + $15 shipping. You can Google specs and pix all over the place. Following is a ports list that looks accurate:
Port(s) Total ( Free ) / Connector Type: 1 x Serial, 1 x Parallel, 4 x USB, 2 x PS/2, 1 x PCI, 1 x VGA, 1 x DVI, 1 x S-Video, 1 x RJ-45 (10/100/1000 Ethernet), 1 x RJ-11, 1 x Audio Line-out, 1 x Digital Audio (S/PDIF), 1 x D/Bay Connector, 1 x Internal Media Bay.

What is useful to me are the 4 USB ports and the DVI monitor connector. Note there is NO Firewire port. However the sides of the laptop are still usable so I have Firewire on the right and 2 more USBs on the left. The back of the laptop is unusable while it is docked.

Of interest to many will be the ability to add an additional HDD or optical drive in the left side of the Dock.



I haven't worked with the media bay yet, but you're supposed to be able to use the removable bays from the supported laptops and put them in the slot. There are a lot of bays available on the Internet. The ones with drives can be expensive, those without not but may require additional screws. HERE is a web site that explains how to install an HDD in a media bay carrier.

Also of interest to many is the half-height PCI slot accessible from the rear. I've read of several people easily putting in a X-Fi sound card. The slot is too small for a graphics card, which is too bad because the BIOS has an option for accessing an external graphics card.

I mainly wanted easy dock and undock in "desktop, dual monitor" mode without having to plug in a lot of wires everytime. Hidin' the wires is everything. See what I mean:



L to R we have the power cord (integrated power, no "brick"), ethernet, DVI, Parallel port for my still chugging BJC-240 printer (we have an HP all-in-1 on the LAN for good color), USB (3 on right rear), and 1 USB on the side (below the proprietary D/Bay connector). It's nice to have a parallel and serial port, since there are none on the M1710.

As most of you know, the M1710 has a compatible docking slot on the bottom and it snaps into place in the D/Dock:



The lid raises for viewing, of course, and you can power on from either the Dock or the laptop. I've found the laptop "tends" to remember its' docked profile better if I power on from the laptop, but I think it's an nVidia software quirk. You can hot-undock from your Start Menu and press the disconnect release on the top lower right of the dock.

Here's another shot with my Personalization Shield on the lid ...



... which leads us to:

DELL PERSONALIZATION SHIELD and Lid Scratches (added 2 Mar 2007):

As many M1710 owners have discovered, the stock black or red lids look great but are easily marred or scratched. Mine has remained pretty clean during the first 10 months of ownership, except for this small scratch in one corner:



I used Blue Magic Plastic & Plexiglass Cleaner & Light Scratch Remover on it but it didn't help. It did leave a brightly buffed black area around the scratch so I had to do the whole lid. I used Microfiber cloth for applicator and buffer. The scratch remover dried a bit hazy so persistent buffing was required, but it really cleaned up the the superficial marks on the rest of the lid. I followed up with Blue Magic Liquid Metal Polish (yes, METAL) which does NOT scratch plastic. It really cleaned it up.

I decided then to get the Dell Personalization Shield (p/n 311-4994) to protect the lid from further damage. HERE is where to order it from Dell. It cost me $45.78 including shipping and tax(?). Yes, it says XPS Gen 2 or M170, and it fits perfectly. It also says usually ships in 3-5 weeks, but I figured a long wait was better than no shield at all. It arrived at my house in 72 HOURS!

It comes in a pizza-sized box (medium, no anchovies?).



The shield slides into rear slots between the hinges and lid:



... and securely snaps over thin grooves at the front of the lid:



The nice thing about this clear lid protector is that it has thin guides on the inside which will take 8.5x11 photos or paper. The shield was supposed to include sample inserts but it did not. I'm not requesting them as I intend to make my own.

I found some awesome and FREE hi-res PC wallpaper HERE. (This link will give you an error until you click to Terms of Service and get a free ID and PWD.) Here is an example I'm currently using:



... and here is another "cool" one:



FYI and caveats on printing photos. The viewing area on the shield is about 7.25" x 10.50". No problem, you say, paper is 8.5 x 11. EXCEPT that many\most printers will not print to the edge of the paper. Thus you may have to trim and still have a tiny bit of white showing. (If that was my only problem in the world, sigh.) All in all I'm tickled to death with the pizzazz it adds along with protection.
post #36 of 60
So everybody.. is there any fiercer beast in the whole world, than XPS 1710 ?
post #37 of 60
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Originally Posted by Delladdict
So everybody.. is there any fiercer beast in the whole world, than XPS 1710 ?
Lottttta bells and whistles, fer sure. They put the right parts together for this one. Top dog for 10+ months, not bad in today's laptop world.
post #38 of 60
man u are lucky boy colorado avalanches i am getting one for myself
do you know if you can buy that shiled lid somewhere else thant dell?
post #39 of 60
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Originally Posted by faction
man u are lucky boy colorado avalanches i am getting one for myself
do you know if you can buy that shiled lid somewhere else thant dell?
Google brought THIS up.
post #40 of 60
Those lids look awsome! And 160 GB!! Wow! My PC only has an 80 GB HDD, you have double my storage!
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