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Another 4780 Review - The Good,Bad,Ugly

post #1 of 12
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My 4780 showed up today - 3.2G, 1G ram , DVD/CDRW , TV Tuner, subwoofer

Everything works - but one bright blue dead pixel in the upper right hand corner - no an issue normally but on wide screen DVD's its on the black part of the screen - and is annoying. The sound is better than I expected, but you have to play with the equalizer to get it really decent. Its no match for external speakers though. The built in camera is a joke - counted 15 dead pixels ranging in colors from red to blue. The TV tuner adapter from S video to cable is missing - have to wait on getting the TV tuner to work. When the fans cycle on - it is obvious , unless you have the volume cranked up on a DVD or game.

Now for the worst part - the thing gets extremely hot, watched the entire gladiator movie - at the end you could not touch the top of the thing - to hot, keys as well. I had it propped up about 2 inches in back to get good air circulation , it was still toasty. For my use its OK, I use an external keybaord and mouse , and it never leaves my desk. cant envision using this as a portable you have to take somewhere or actually use on your lap , it may burn your clothes. Maybe its really hot due to the 3.2G CPU - cant believe a prescott chip would live long in a laptop since they get about 30% hotter than these.

All in all its OK , I like it, but not sure how long it will last due to the heat. Bought a laptop cooler with fans , another piece of junk - they trade quiet for CFM's - not worth it. I purchased a small muffin fan that runs from 110, not to noisy and at least it blows air , and I blow it in fromt he side under the laptop, it helped more than the dumb laptop cooler which had two fans that were just about useless.

One surprising thing was that the screen width is the same as my 19inch LCD, did not thingk it would be that wide. It does look good.

so in summary the think is nice - not going overboard though and give it a bunch of dancing banana's , its not the vallhala of notebooks.
post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by Captain Al

I started off extremely pleased with my 4780, but the thrill is gone as these problems keep getting worse. Sadly, I think it's time to return it.
Ouch. I had pretty much settled on passing on the not-showing-up-until-april-probably 8790 and ordering a 4780...now I'm not so sure.
post #3 of 12
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My two cents again, the heat issue is not a complaint, its a fact. Do not believe these notebooks will have long lives with the amoiunt of heat being generated over the course of its life. Bottom line is that we all want the most stuff packed in , with the highest performance parts, and Clevo gives that to you , BUT, its probably not the greatest idea. I have had this thing for 2 days and sort of wish I never bought, if you want just a desktop machine, I would go for a real desk top. not one of these replacements. Think the 8790 may be even worse , since the CPU's can be faster and hotter plus the extra drive will generate more heat. Who knows,
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by heeyoung
My two cents again, the heat issue is not a complaint, its a fact. Do not believe these notebooks will have long lives with the amoiunt of heat being generated over the course of its life. Bottom line is that we all want the most stuff packed in , with the highest performance parts, and Clevo gives that to you , BUT, its probably not the greatest idea. I have had this thing for 2 days and sort of wish I never bought, if you want just a desktop machine, I would go for a real desk top. not one of these replacements. Think the 8790 may be even worse , since the CPU's can be faster and hotter plus the extra drive will generate more heat. Who knows,
In September, my "short lived" laptop will be 4 years old. Have you owned any laptop that has "burned out" and if so, how long did it take for this to happen? Sometime, I think that the world is flat; however, that's just not the case! (No flame intended).
post #5 of 12
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I have owned several Sager laptops - never had one problem or a dead pixel on any of them. But then again I never had one that you could fry an egg on either. The 1G CPU on my 15 inch sager never even gets warm - I have had it running contiuously for about two years - never shut it off, so am not jaded by previous bad experiences. Im sort of PO'd about the bright blue dead pixel as well. I have 4 - 18 inch LCD's and one 19 inch LCD that I have - not one dead pixel amongst them or any of the laptops. Even one dead picel if its stuck on like a headlight really sucks.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by heeyoung
I have owned several Sager laptops - never had one problem or a dead pixel on any of them. But then again I never had one that you could fry an egg on either. The 1G CPU on my 15 inch sager never even gets warm - I have had it running contiuously for about two years - never shut it off, so am not jaded by previous bad experiences. Im sort of PO'd about the bright blue dead pixel as well. I have 4 - 18 inch LCD's and one 19 inch LCD that I have - not one dead pixel amongst them or any of the laptops. Even one dead picel if its stuck on like a headlight really sucks.
IMHO, I think you should probably return it and get one without the Bight Blue "Turnoff". That might be bugging you the most.
post #7 of 12
I really don't think life span is an issue, because in reality, how long with you consider these sagers "adequate" for your needs?! If they last 3 years then they are great! I gave my dad my old 5660, he leaves it on 24/7 watches movies on it, plays simple games, never shuts it off, and it's never had a problem! I think these wide screen model sagers have too many issues to be worked out. The 56XX series has a nice solid build, are thicker, handle heat better, and IMHO are much better built machines. I've never seen an 8890 in person, but would assume the same for them as well.


the 47XX (and soon to be 87XX) can not handle heat as well, but I can live with that, I have it propped up, and I am in a area where it's generally cooler anyways.. The issues I have are, 1) performance, I have never had a system slow down, and hang nearly as much as this 4780 has.
2) the screen, I've seen a 4760, and 2X 4780's.... all within the past 2 weeks all are LOADED with dead pixels.... I am of the belief I just paid $2000 I should at least get a quality product. (i understand industry standards so we don't need a flame here) but I do think they should take the extra 30 seconds to look at a screen before they ship it, I would have glady paid for a service like Hypersonic has that guarntees NO dead pixels. Perhaps this is something Sager should think of. (i will not pay for a Hypersonic system, just thier no dead pixel service, because I have no use for the over priced paint jobs)

The card reader is a major issue for me... I bought this system for use at work, for Digital Printing and so far, it's worthless if I can't use the Card Reader, (and yes, I've formatted and reinstalled windows and all updated 3 times, still doesn't work!)

The system also takes 3-5 tries to boot from a cold start... (i assume the ram is bad) After hte 3 tries, there's a 1 -5 chance I get an error that windows can not acces memory , blah blah blah, the other times when it does start has to go through a full memory check, which seems to take FOREVER.

Bottom Line, my system is a Lemon, I got a bad one out of the stack, and the worst part of all, until I can get together a little more cash, I can't send this heap back, because I will have no computer....
I think the biggest mistake I made was getting rid of my 5680 for this 4780.
post #8 of 12
I've been holding out on the 8790. I wonder if the 8790's are going to inherit the 4780's troubles.

Yee, how well does your card reader work? I don't remember having read about anyone else having issues until I saw Capt Al's remarks on the issue. I plan on getting the card reader, but will steer clear if it's not a good product.

Sorry to hear that you guys are having problems. Glad you're getting them out in the open, though.
post #9 of 12
IT FINALLY WENT AWAY!!... my 4780 had a red dead pixel to the right of the center of the screen, and ive been looking at the stupid red dot for almost 3 weeks now.. I got pissed and fiercly rubbed the spot back and forth for like 5 minutes.. and now its GONE!!! im back to loving my 4780 again.. no more stupid dead pixels.. anyone else having problems with them, give my unproven method a try, i wanna see if it works for anyone else..

-Evil Juggalo
post #10 of 12
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I did try it on my bright blue beamer pixel before but only for a few seconds. No luck - guess I try it longer. ON thing I will NOT do for awhile is get rid of my trusty old 1G Sager, had a couple o offers for it, but I dont trust this 4780 yet.

As a curious question to all the owners of these expensive laptops - I dont see many complaints - but is that because they are working well or because they cost so much one has to mentaly justify to oneself they did the right thing to dump 2K or more into a laptop so do not complain. I dumped 2.5K into mine - its OK BUT the newness wears off real rapidly once reality sets in.
post #11 of 12
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IT WORKED (kudo's to EVIL) . I did not rub the blue beamer pixel I just pressed on it hard, it flickered on and off - then came back - I pressed on it again hard - and its gone. I then checked it with a magnifying glass and various colors , think the little guy is actually working , not just dead and black. Now mind you I think the dancing banana's are totally stupid and ludicrous, BUT in this case here goes - on second thought - the thing is still a toaster and to new - so I will wait - dont want to jinx it yet.

But seriously i was shocked it worked - anyone with some bright pixels might also want to give it a try - but - "caveat emptor" .
post #12 of 12
I only have the 2.8 so maybe that explains thing, but the heat on mine is not really that bad. It does get warm on the left side. Not scalding or even unbearable. I think typing on it after watching a movie would make my hand sweat, but that is the extent of the heat. I use an air bake cookie sheet for a bottom, and I watch Kenshin on my lappy a couple hours every night. There is some heat but far from frying anything. Maybe the higher processors are the problem in this model? Just a thought.
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