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post #21 of 214
6/5/06 at 1:35pm
3D Mark 06 is just much more sensitive to memory bandwidth than real games are. You can set performance profiles (using powerstip) for applications, but by default, the card holds the same clocks for everyhting.

Like i have been saying, don't let one artifical bench kill your enthousiasm. Your still 2x as fast as the x1400, so....
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post #22 of 214
6/5/06 at 5:15pm
Will this:1.66GHz Core Duo, 1GB DDR2, 120GB, DVD±RW DL, Windows XP, 15.4" TFT - SKU: LXATD05014 with the X1600 (128)

stomp all over:

Acer TravelMate 4400 TM4404WLMi AMD Turion 64 1.8GHz, 15.4in WXGA, 120GB, 1GB, 802.11b+g LAN, DVD±RW, WinXP Pro with the X700 (64)?

Krista
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post #23 of 214
6/5/06 at 11:50pm
Krista, i think the one with the X1600 is the way to go, but i find extremely weird the 3dmarks of this new lap with the x1600.

The Travelmate has CPU overheating issues, which cause drop of performance while gaming. that is the reason the travelmate has around 4400 3dmark03 instead of a 5k+ score. Of course im basing this on my personal experience, but i think everyone does have this, and is not that noticeable at first.

Considering he says he has over 100 fps on half life 2 normally and 70-80 on heavy fire, i do recommend it, even tho i dont know at wich settings he is playing (resolution).

If you want to consider another computer, i would recommend the Asus s96j, which is the one im gonna get soon. it has an Ati x1600 with 256mb, and overall scores near 4k on 3dmark05 and near 9k on 3dmark03.
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post #24 of 214
6/6/06 at 4:22am
Thread Starter 
There is something weird going on with this card, I think there is some clocking issues here.... I'm able to run everygame I've thrown at it with full settings with shadows on some games reduced a level...

it's just really strange... I'm hoping I'll be able to get a copy of Doom 3 to test it out...

The game Condemned runs great on full maxed out settings
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post #25 of 214
6/6/06 at 7:20am
how about oblivion? what kind of settings are we able to run it at playable famerates?
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post #26 of 214
6/6/06 at 7:31am
anyone knows wat this filename does? "atiicdxx.ini"? cos I got a error msg when replacing original drivers with omega.
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post #27 of 214
6/6/06 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Lvcien
There is something weird going on with this card, I think there is some clocking issues here.... I'm able to run everygame I've thrown at it with full settings with shadows on some games reduced a level...

it's just really strange... I'm hoping I'll be able to get a copy of Doom 3 to test it out...

The game Condemned runs great on full maxed out settings
Lvcien - once again my friend, it is clocking issues, but not like you think.

Unlike the games you play, 3D Mark 06 is REALLY sensitive to the lower memory speeds (the standard for the x1600 is 470/470). Now, thats not to say you won't get better performance if you clock your ram up, but it is safe to say that your ram speed is not holding you back.
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post #28 of 214
6/6/06 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Ryzeki
Krista, i think the one with the X1600 is the way to go, but i find extremely weird the 3dmarks of this new lap with the x1600.

The Travelmate has CPU overheating issues, which cause drop of performance while gaming. that is the reason the travelmate has around 4400 3dmark03 instead of a 5k+ score. Of course im basing this on my personal experience, but i think everyone does have this, and is not that noticeable at first.

Considering he says he has over 100 fps on half life 2 normally and 70-80 on heavy fire, i do recommend it, even tho i dont know at wich settings he is playing (resolution).

If you want to consider another computer, i would recommend the Asus s96j, which is the one im gonna get soon. it has an Ati x1600 with 256mb, and overall scores near 4k on 3dmark05 and near 9k on 3dmark03.

Thanks. I think I would prefer the Asus but the cost is probably prohibitive (looking that up now). I can get the Acer with the X1600, 120gig HD and 1gig RAM for 1078 at buy.com right now. I think that price is incredible... but I wonder why it's so low. Makes me think there's something wrong

It's for model number:
LX.ATD05.014

Krista
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post #29 of 214
6/7/06 at 3:36am
Thread Starter 
Krista: I purchased mine from Buy.com and it was about 100$ more; Of course, that was right as it came out and now the costs of duo's are dropping so that could be reflect...

Look online, there is a 15$ off coupon floating around valid until the end of this month I believe.

Divine_Madcat: Any idea what could be holding back those scores? - thanks.

applezoo: I got the same error, just skipped it... no problems yet


Edit: I can play Doom 3 with Ultra High settings at 1024 x 768 with a steady 35~ FPS and it drops to about 20 - 25 if I run into a few enemies..
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post #30 of 214
6/7/06 at 3:49am
Krista, i think that even tho there is some problems with the scores he is getting, he seems to be able to game just fine. so i would say theAcer with x1600 is definetly better than the travelmate, and indeed its cheaper than an Asus.

The asus im configuring (Duo @1.83ghz, 60gb 7.2k rpm drive, 1 gb 667mhz ram and ati x1600 256@ 450/400 is about 1300+dlrs).

if the acer problem gets fixed, i might get this acer with the x1600 myself and save up the money for later. is the hdd 4200 or 5400? 4200 is a no no for me

Also, even if the memory is underclock, the scores are not right. I underlcocked my X700 from 358/330 to 358/300 (the standard for X700 is around 400/400) and then o/c my card to 400/350 and the overall score difference was not that great. the differeces was around 700 marks, but my main issue is not the card, its the CPU

basically, an x1600 with 370 memory and 470core should not score that low. the asus has a default 450/400 and scores 3900+ on 3dmark 05 so obviously reducing the mem to 370 would not make the score drop THAT much.
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post #31 of 214
6/7/06 at 7:33am
sorry i must be blind but where is the 3d05 mark score?
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post #32 of 214
6/7/06 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Lvcien
Krista: I purchased mine from Buy.com and it was about 100$ more; Of course, that was right as it came out and now the costs of duo's are dropping so that could be reflect...

Look online, there is a 15$ off coupon floating around valid until the end of this month I believe.

Divine_Madcat: Any idea what could be holding back those scores? - thanks.

applezoo: I got the same error, just skipped it... no problems yet


Edit: I can play Doom 3 with Ultra High settings at 1024 x 768 with a steady 35~ FPS and it drops to about 20 - 25 if I run into a few enemies..

Yes, i have alreayd said why:
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Unlike the games you play, 3D Mark 06 is REALLY sensitive to the lower memory speeds (the standard for the x1600 is 470/470). Now, thats not to say you won't get better performance if you clock your ram up, but it is safe to say that your ram speed is not holding you back.

Look guys, i will say this again - there is no big problem with the scores they are getting. Everyone is comparing it to the scores of other x1600 laptops, but are forgetting one thing: The 5672's ram is at 364.5 MHz , while the other laptops are at 470. This 100Mhz difference is easily enough to lose a few 100 points in a bench, which is what you are seeing here.

Why did they down clock it? Heat! The clcoks there basically match the x1400, meaning its heat profile should be simialr as well. This means that they did not have to do any extra redesigning to make the upgrade possible. Without this decision, it is safe to say the extra heat would have almost gauaranteed no X1600 without a redesign, which would have taken longer and cost more.

So please guys - stop saying there is a problem when there is not. It kind of gets frustrating to read over and over when that thought is wrong.

One side note - would any x1600 version owner be willing to take a picture sometime of the the bottom and bottom cover off, please?
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post #33 of 214
6/7/06 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
Why did they down clock it? Heat! The clcoks there basically match the x1400, meaning its heat profile should be simialr as well. This means that they did not have to do any extra redesigning to make the upgrade possible. Without this decision, it is safe to say the extra heat would have almost gauaranteed no X1600 without a redesign, which would have taken longer and cost more.

My question would be, why didn't think think ahead and make a chassis designed for the 1600 rather than the 1400, in terms of heat management. It's annoying when a system gets bottlenecked because of something as dumb as bad airflow.

Still, I am not a huge gamer, except for WoW and it sounds like this will play it just fine.

Krista
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post #34 of 214
6/7/06 at 4:46pm
Hey im really interested in this computer now, so i wanted to ask if you are having any overheating problems? the reason i ask this is because my current laptop does present some sort of overheating which kinda makes me hesitate when considering another Acer.

also, what places can i get this laptop from? any idea? and i heard there is an X1600 with 256mb coming for the Acer, is this true?

Oh, and about the scores, i think the 3dmark06 score is ok, the one that is definately not right is the 3dmark03. As i said before, the Asus has a 450/400 configuration and gets close to 9k on 3dmark03, if this Acer has 470/370 by no means should the score be nearly Half!
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post #35 of 214
6/7/06 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Krista
My question would be, why didn't think think ahead and make a chassis designed for the 1600 rather than the 1400, in terms of heat management. It's annoying when a system gets bottlenecked because of something as dumb as bad airflow.

Still, I am not a huge gamer, except for WoW and it sounds like this will play it just fine.

Krista
Well thats a silly question. You cant design ahead for every possible situation. They designed the laptop for the x1400, period. However, they payed around a bit later, and found that with modest clocks, the x1600 would actually run ok. We should be thankful they deceided to release this upgrade - it gives people looking for 15.4 laptops a great choice for not alot of money ( i mean, these things are selling for 1100...).
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post #36 of 214
6/8/06 at 6:09am
Hi Guys sorry I have been out of it for a while
I am still waiting to get some more info from Acer UK parts regarding purchasing and x1600 for an existing 5672, to Divine Madcat
I have called the parts number but nothing was available as yet
will keep trying

Just imagine the ultimate machine,
A merom and x1600 in a slim machine, that should make sure I can keep up with games
for info on the merom, just check out Sucka's report on the engineering sample in the main acer forum.
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post #37 of 214
6/8/06 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by Divine_Madcat
Well thats a silly question. You cant design ahead for every possible situation. They designed the laptop for the x1400, period. However, they payed around a bit later, and found that with modest clocks, the x1600 would actually run ok. We should be thankful they deceided to release this upgrade - it gives people looking for 15.4 laptops a great choice for not alot of money ( i mean, these things are selling for 1100...).

You don't think they knew they'd be doing an X1600 version when they planned this model?

Oh well, it still sounds like it'll do what I need it to. I just have the same concerns as Ryzeki about overheating.

Krista
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post #38 of 214
6/8/06 at 11:48am
No, i don't. If they had, they would have designed for it and used it in the first place. Like i said, i think somebbody played with some numbers recently, and found that with some given speeds, they could get an acceptable temperature profile with the better card.

And the heat isn't too bad. Yes it gets hot; alot of laptops do. The nice thing is, the laptop is also really quiet (part of the reason its hot). SO its a trade. Does it get critically hot? No. Does it impact performance? No (unless you overclock alot).
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post #39 of 214
6/9/06 at 5:06pm
actually divine I disagree there, I think they knew they could put in the x1600 but could cut some costs and increase sales on the Travelmate8204 by restricting the 5672, although the two are aimed at different markets
the x1600 will have been in short supply to start with though, and the x1400 may have given them the edge they needed to be one of the first to get their core duo products to market like they boasted.
we may have got a bum deal being early adopters
if acer read this could they please offer a cheap upgrade path then?
without the initial sales the machine would have flopped and they would have lost out to ASUS etc.
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post #40 of 214
6/10/06 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Lvcien
VGA Memory Clock 364.5 MHz
VGA Core Clock 472.5 MHz


Lame ...

OC it to 450/450.
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