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post #1 of 40
2/13/04 at 10:12am
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i was wondering more and more how better is amd with processors ! there's a huge compition and with the new priscott , that's challange.
But still i saw from different sites:www.hardocp.com the results of pentium cpus against p4, p4 ee and p4 e(priscott)..it was ovious that athalon 64 3400 + is better (it's available in notebooks now,though it costs as much as the 3.2 HT p4 )) and espeially that it has one major advantage : YOU will have a much faster computer when running 64 bit applications and games such as when the new windows comes(it's made to work on 64bit cpus) u'll see major faster computer and that's only the beginning ..in a year or so 64 bit programes will spread more and the intel will go down if it doesn't act to strike a 64bit cpu to the market near soon.

I MEAN sager hassssssssssss to make AMD-ready laptops because they are actually good in making the best i can't image when that comes..it will be the greatest hittt

though athalon-equipted laptops have less powerful components than sager's newly p4-equipted machines...but i am sure that i should buy a 64bit laptop if i find good components inside as well...

so what do u think about that ?? u should see that even priscott beat pentium in many phases... are u thinking about ur laptop's performance with a new mind on it ....thattt would be coooolll
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post #2 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:05am
I am sure Intel has something planned. You don't get to be #1 by letting pissant little AMD take away your leadership position. Maybe AMD will have a bit of glory; but watch out dude, Intel is gonna stomp on your party. Get over the AMD thing. After all why would you want to support a loosing team. Maybe you can't handle an Intel?
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post #3 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:13am
Intel got to where they are by aggresive marketing.. Both Intel and AMD products are good.. Sorry to say, but AMD beat Intel to the 64 bit consumer market.. Intel-powered itaniums were WAY too overpriced to be consumer level any way..

So what if Intel comes up with something now.. They will only get the second place prize..

I too would LOVE to see a AMD 64 Sager.. I'm not an AMD nor Intel fanboy.. I'm just in favor of high-performance-low-price-breaking-technology..
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post #4 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:16am
Unfortunately Black Barney "Perception is Reality". Aggressive marketing is what wins the hearts and minds of people. There are all too many great products littering the highways of history (products that are often much better than the incumbent #1) but have failed to take off due to marketing failures. Sad but true.
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post #5 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:30am
I guess AMD must have had some serious marketing of their own because they won hearts and minds of many people as well..

Personally I like *my* AMD powered machine which is cheaper, faster, better than comperable Intel machine.

Any way.. before getting off topic.. I'll buy whomever gives me the best value, Intel or AMD.. Right now AMD has a mobile 64 bit cpu.. It's the latest technology, it can run cooler, it definately is faster (price/performance), and with Windows XP 64 coming out for the AMD, I don't see a competition from Intel..

Of course wait a while and Intel will come up with something of theirs.. If you wait 10 more years, maybe there will be Intel 128 or AMD 256.. Bottom line is.. If I could get a Sager with AMD 64 right now, I would get it right now.. There is no comparable Intel 64 right now.. The whole topic of this discussion was why or when will Sager have AMD 64, not how much better X is over Y..

It all comes down to personal preference.. Lets just leave it at that..
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post #6 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by Black_Barney
...and with Windows XP 64 coming out for the AMD, I don't see a competition from Intel..
Very few people ever see the truck that kills them .

If I had my preference I would be working on T-9000 Transputers. I agree though CPU's are really only personal preference. As long as the system is quick and meets your computing needs then who cares.
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post #7 of 40
2/13/04 at 4:28pm
i'm an AMD shareholder! but i bought a P4 machine now because i need a laptop now.

i wish sager did make 64-bit amd laptops, as that would have been my #1 choice. but they dont, so i got the next best thing!
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post #8 of 40
2/13/04 at 5:57pm
aussie, i respect a lot of what you say...
but some of those statements are ridiculous.
while intel is absolutely number one, we've heard the 'imminent demise' tales for amd for YEARS now. actually, amd is slowly gaining market share. with good reason.
ANY gamer, overclocker or build-it-yourselfer knows that amd is a better chip. now, this perhaps (probably) didn't hold true for laptops, but i'm a desktop gamer and you'd be hard pressed to find articles touting the gaming benefits of intel (other than doom-based engines) - especially when the fact they are considerably more expensive is thrown into the equation.
bang for buck definitely favors amd.
sorry aussie, you sound a bit like those guys holding their nvidia graphics cards and saying 'radeons suck!, radeon drivers suck!, etc.' all the while getting 20% LESS frames. geez.
suggestion: buy what works best at the time. don't be a homer.
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post #9 of 40
2/13/04 at 7:28pm
AMD! AMD! AMD!

DEFINITELY bang for buck! they should go hand in hand with sager!
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post #10 of 40
2/13/04 at 9:23pm
I would very much like Sager to produce a laptop with an AMD64 just to have a choice. Not sure at what rate 64 bit apps will appear after XP 64 comes to market (6 months, 1 year, 2 years??) but i would like to feel that i was ready for them. Unlike some folks I cant afford to buy a new notebook every 6 months.

A Sager with an AMD64 and a Super Glossy Screen - yipeeee!
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post #11 of 40
2/13/04 at 9:43pm
legolas357 I am pulling your leg man. Some of what I say is faeceous. Chill. Chill.
At the end of the day people will buy what they think is the "right" product for them. It may not be the best, fastest, sexiest product but it is their choice. I respect AMD for what they do. I used to loathe Intel chips back in the days when I designed embedded systems - they were a nightmare to work with and used to overheat even back then. Give me a decent Zilog Z-80 or Motorola 68000 anyday. Seems things have not changed in 20 years .

One comment about getting a 64 bit laptop now is how are you going to benefit given that Win64 is still some way down the track. CPU's are only a small part of an overall computer. Personally I buy whatever is top end right now then thrash it until it hits the wall then buy again (usually every 3 years with PC tech or 5 years with Sun). If you buy 64 bit PC now there are few gains to be had and you will get todays RAM, DVD/CD, GPU and screen. 12 months down the track or whenever 64 bit os+apps appear, all the other peripherals have moved on. Bigger, faster, better. Why would you want to own a CPU that can run the code but the rest of the laptop is just not up to current technology. Seems like back to front thinking to me.
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post #12 of 40
2/13/04 at 10:54pm
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Originally Posted by aussie
legolas357 I am pulling your leg man. Some of what I say is faeceous. Chill. Chill.
At the end of the day people will buy what they think is the "right" product for them. It may not be the best, fastest, sexiest product but it is their choice. I respect AMD for what they do. I used to loathe Intel chips back in the days when I designed embedded systems - they were a nightmare to work with and used to overheat even back then. Give me a decent Zilog Z-80 or Motorola 68000 anyday. Seems things have not changed in 20 years .

One comment about getting a 64 bit laptop now is how are you going to benefit given that Win64 is still some way down the track. CPU's are only a small part of an overall computer. Personally I buy whatever is top end right now then thrash it until it hits the wall then buy again (usually every 3 years with PC tech or 5 years with Sun). If you buy 64 bit PC now there are few gains to be had and you will get todays RAM, DVD/CD, GPU and screen. 12 months down the track or whenever 64 bit os+apps appear, all the other peripherals have moved on. Bigger, faster, better. Why would you want to own a CPU that can run the code but the rest of the laptop is just not up to current technology. Seems like back to front thinking to me.
And....

If the 16 bit to 32 bit "event" proved anything it is that if you wait until "all things" are generally available, the software can be purchased at significant discounts.
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post #13 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:13pm
WinXP 64 for AMD is supposed to be out SOON (they said February, but it could be couple months off)..

Any way.. From what I heard.. Several games WILL be taking advantage of AMD 64 Bit.. At least one, Far Cry, is looking pretty good.. I also believe Unreal Tournament 2004 will support 64 bit processing..

Any way.. Yeah.. it would be nice if 64 bit for consumer level was already 10 years old and you had thousands of apps and games.. but.. seeing how fast 16bit->32bit went.. I think if I were to buy a laptop, I would get the better bang for the buck from a 64 bit equipped one.. It will have a longer longevity than it's 32 bit counterpart.. not that 32 bit apps will be dead any time soon, but there will be more and more that take advantage of 64 bit..

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Originally Posted by aussie
legolas357 I am pulling your leg man. Some of what I say is faeceous. Chill. Chill.
At the end of the day people will buy what they think is the "right" product for them. It may not be the best, fastest, sexiest product but it is their choice. I respect AMD for what they do. I used to loathe Intel chips back in the days when I designed embedded systems - they were a nightmare to work with and used to overheat even back then. Give me a decent Zilog Z-80 or Motorola 68000 anyday. Seems things have not changed in 20 years .

One comment about getting a 64 bit laptop now is how are you going to benefit given that Win64 is still some way down the track. CPU's are only a small part of an overall computer. Personally I buy whatever is top end right now then thrash it until it hits the wall then buy again (usually every 3 years with PC tech or 5 years with Sun). If you buy 64 bit PC now there are few gains to be had and you will get todays RAM, DVD/CD, GPU and screen. 12 months down the track or whenever 64 bit os+apps appear, all the other peripherals have moved on. Bigger, faster, better. Why would you want to own a CPU that can run the code but the rest of the laptop is just not up to current technology. Seems like back to front thinking to me.
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post #14 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:16pm
I've been waiting for the Sager with AMD since the day one I knew Sager. It's been almost a year now, but I still don't see any chance to have Sager with the AMD inside in the near future. I've decided to go with eMachine AMD 64, and I'm very happy with what I did. It's not a fancy laptop nor have all best component inside like Sager, but with the price per performance I got, I believe it's one of the best I've invest so far.
And yes, I'm a AMD fanboy.
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post #15 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:23pm
How long do you keep your laptops Black Barney?
My average replacement cycle is about 3-4 years.
It all comes down to what is the sweet spot at the time you need a laptop imho. In my case the 8890 had just been released and it fitted the bill. If I needed to buy a laptop right now, it would be a tough call. As you said go 64 bit or stay with 32. Same with the other new stuff MarquisDarquis has been raving on about. The key is to find when the technology jumps, wait for 2nd revision then buy.

I am so glad all that mental anguish is behind me for another couple of years. I still have to fully pimp out my 8890. When is Hitachi going to get their 80GB 7200 RPM disks out the door???
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post #16 of 40
2/13/04 at 11:44pm

64 bit???

Hey; let me tell you a dirty little secret. The AMD Athalon64 is not really 64 bit. It uses an 8 * 8 bit buss as compared to the 4 * 8 bit buss of the current Pentium 4. And yah that's right the Pentium 4 is not really 32 bit either, cause the x86 architecture SUCKS BIG TIME!!! Intel did the right thing when they designed the Itainium; They ditched the hole mess. The problem is they F'ed up with their stupid "it's only for servers and it cost a million dollers". So now we get screwed with another several years of x86 TRASH!

Intel has anounced that they are working on 64 bit (8*8) versions of both the P4 and the Xeion in the near future. I read somewhere that they licensed the instruction set from AMD, after all those years (and law suits) of forcing others away from their x86 instruction set. What a joke.

Intel will do whatever it takes to remain competitive, but AMD is the better value right now. I would not be surprised if Sager follows others with an AMD offering. They do not always use intel chipsets, so anything is possable.

We will just have to wait and see.

Dave
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post #17 of 40
2/14/04 at 12:10am
aussie, I have not been raving on about those things, I have been ranting. There's a difference you know. Raving is just going on endlessly about nothing while ranting is going on endlessly about something. That's why Xtasy parties are called Raves not Rants.

Not that I don't rave now and then, indeed, I am close to raving now, as this is all about next to nothing.

I do try to split my time between the two so as to not wear out my faculties unevenly. Only thing worse than unevenly wearing your faculties is to lose then entirely. I know, I've done that too.
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post #18 of 40
2/14/04 at 1:07am
Well im gonna end up going the intel route, even though my desktop is athlon powered but hey if it runs games just as well then so be it.
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post #19 of 40
2/14/04 at 7:04am
oh!! facetious? ahh. well then - i was just teasing you aussie. easy big fella...
i do have to agree with you though on the timetable aspect. if you plan on trading up (purchasing) in the next couple years, what is truly the point of 64?
yes, it does indeed seem to provide the best possible performance in most games, but at what cost, and for what gain? minimal framerate gain for large dollars.
it's sorta like going out today and buying a radeon 9800 with 256 ram. the 128 version will already provide more graphics capability than any game can challenge it with - even 'far cry' and 'ut2004'. by the time something (game) comes out to actually take advantage of the higher capabilities, we'll have seen 2-4 newer versions, most with the new technology. the same will (probably) hold true with the 64 cpu.
the one caveat to this is that i also would purchase an amd if available, as amd has shown itself to be consistently gamer friendly, price-point friendly, with an ear to the community . something i'm afraid intel has chosen to disregard.
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post #20 of 40
2/14/04 at 7:45am
However, you forget there is are entire worlds of existance other than gaming. Like CAD. I couldn't care less about gaming, other than you nuts keep driving the tech forward. Keep it up and that's enough of this talk about not buying the latest thing as soon as it comes out, heck, before it comes out.
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