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post #1 of 10
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Hi,

I'm leaning between those three options.

Basically I want a system with relatively fast graphics, but some decent battery power as well.

If I configure the systems alike, I can put a 7900GS in the E1705 or the M1710, and a Quadro FX1500M in the M90.

1) Has anybody veryfied which clock speed the FX1500M runs at? Is it the same as the 7900GS? Then it would basically the same card...

2) If I use the same card in all three systems, would I still need the 130W power supply for the M90 and the M1710? I would be surprised if yes, because with the same cards, these systems don't have any difference (concerning power requirements) whatsoever, right?

3) Can anybody tell me battery runtimes of one of those systems, compared to the 7900GTX/FX2500M?
For example, I'd be interested in the maximum achievable runtime, by setting screen brightness to minimum, processor and graphics card to lowest speed - how much remaining time does the power meter then show on a full 9 cell battery?

4) What are the other differences?

- screen:
- M90 has a non-reflective screen
- does M1710 really have a brighter screen than the E1705, as was reported here? which one?

- E1705 has no Gigabit ethernet and no docking port

- M1710 is 1mm thicker as the other two, according to specs

- M90 has a smartcard reader (the others don't?)

- marginal differences in looks

- would there be any difference in weight between those systems? The E1705 is given with a minimal weight of 3.45kg, and with 3.59kg with the 9 cell battery. The M1710 is given with a weight of 3.99kg. Where do the remaining 400g come from? is it possible that the "minimum" weight for the E1705 is based on on-board graphics, and the graphics card (7900GS/GTX) weights 400g?

I'm asking because weight is an issue for me, I'd like the system to be as portable as possible, so every gramm counts. But if the E1705 with the 7900GS in the end has the same weight as the M1710/M90 anyway, I could go for those as well and have the dock-option and the gigabit ethernet.

Is anybody aware of any other difference between the three machines?

thanks for any insights!
post #2 of 10
m90 by far is the superior system in build quality!
post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by salzrat
Hi,

I'm leaning between those three options.

Basically I want a system with relatively fast graphics, but some decent battery power as well.

If I configure the systems alike, I can put a 7900GS in the E1705 or the M1710, and a Quadro FX1500M in the M90.

Let me see if i can impart some knowledge for you i can't answer all, but i'll do my best

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Originally Posted by salzrat
1) Has anybody veryfied which clock speed the FX1500M runs at? Is it the same as the 7900GS? Then it would basically the same card...
I have no clue...sorry. But my best quess is that yes, it is like a 7900gs, but don't take my word for it.

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Originally Posted by salzrat
2) If I use the same card in all three systems, would I still need the 130W power supply for the M90 and the M1710? I would be surprised if yes, because with the same cards, these systems don't have any difference (concerning power requirements) whatsoever, right?
I bet the bios will required the 130w PS for the M90 and M1710. i can't verify this as i have an m90 with a 2500M and not the 1500M.

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Originally Posted by salzrat
3) Can anybody tell me battery runtimes of one of those systems, compared to the 7900GTX/FX2500M?
For example, I'd be interested in the maximum achievable runtime, by setting screen brightness to minimum, processor and graphics card to lowest speed - how much remaining time does the power meter then show on a full 9 cell battery?
I can say this. i can get about 3 hours on my m90 with wireless on (i won't turn it off to tell you what the savings are because i don't use my laptop without internet for the most part)

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4) What are the other differences?

- screen:
- M90 has a non-reflective screen
- does M1710 really have a brighter screen than the E1705, as was reported here? which one?
Yes the m90 is non reflective and personally i like it better than the truelife on my 9300.

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- E1705 has no Gigabit ethernet and no docking port
True.

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- M1710 is 1mm thicker as the other two, according to specs
probably due to the different lid

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- M90 has a smartcard reader (the others don't?)
The m1710 also has the smart card reader

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- marginal differences in looks
yup yup. Personally if you have to use it for business go with the m90 or e1705. i think, personally, they look more professional

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- would there be any difference in weight between those systems? The E1705 is given with a minimal weight of 3.45kg, and with 3.59kg with the 9 cell battery. The M1710 is given with a weight of 3.99kg. Where do the remaining 400g come from? is it possible that the "minimum" weight for the E1705 is based on on-board graphics, and the graphics card (7900GS/GTX) weights 400g?

I'm asking because weight is an issue for me, I'd like the system to be as portable as possible, so every gramm counts. But if the E1705 with the 7900GS in the end has the same weight as the M1710/M90 anyway, I could go for those as well and have the dock-option and the gigabit ethernet.
sorry can't help you here But here is also a smart card reader in the m90 and m1710, so it probably adds some weight . I think if weight is truley a problem, then perhaps a latitude is more in order. not as good of graphics, but the D820 can get up to 7 hours on battery (i believe) and it weighs less than all the options you've mentioned. It also has EC and PCMCIA in case you are worried about that.

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Is anybody aware of any other difference between the three machines?

thanks for any insights!
Sorry no more difference i can think of.

I hth
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
So any takers for the remaining open questions? Pretty please?

Other system is not an option for me, 7900GS is the minimum graphics I need...
post #5 of 10
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m90 by far is the superior system in build quality!
Build quality between these systems are nearly identical. They all have magnesium allow in the base and the LCD top cover and they share alot of other parts.
post #6 of 10
Sirmeili answered any question I could as I don't have an 7900gs either.
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
So nobody with an M1710/7900GS or M90/FX1500M?

Maybe an E1705/7900GS owner can report battery runtimes?
post #8 of 10
M90/FX1500M owner

1) I think the FX1500M is very similar in performance to the 7900GS. I get around 6400 on 3DMark05.
2) The M90 comes with (requires?) the 130 watt power supply.
3) I get a little over 3 hrs on battery.
4) The M90's WUXGA non-reflective screen is brighter than the matte screen found on the WXGAs but not glossy like the TrueLife screens. I have no regrets on screen choice as I use this laptop primarily with the lights on in the office and the glossy finish would not be good.

Also, there is no appreciable difference in weight between my 9300 and my M90. I use a backpack to carry it around and don't really notice the weight. Build quality is a different story. The top lid on the M90 does seem much sturdier than on the 9300 (or 9400/1705) and less prone to flex. Hope this helps.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Ah, great, you have both an M90 and a 9300. Could you try the 90W PSU on the M90 and see whether it works?

Are the 3 hours on normal screen brightness, or with minimal screen brightness and max battery setting? This sounds quite low, as Sir Meili above also gets the 3 hours with an FX2500M, which is supposed to consume twice as much power...
post #10 of 10
The M90 will not work with a 90 watt PS.

I get 3:11 hrs of battery life with Quickset set to max battery settings and NVidia Power Mizer set to balanced. I'm surprised that the FX2500M gets 3 hrs but goes to show Nvidia did a good job with the implementation of Power Mizer.
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