I just registered after months of reading these forums. Never owned a laptop and my pc I have now is a POS 4yr old Dell P3 700. Reading some posts I keep seeing the 8790 as having a 256mb M11 but when you look at it on the ATI website all I see is 128 available at most. You would think a new 256 card is the next step but I don't see it, but that's what everyone is talking about. Have I missed something or is everyone just wishing? I know I'm still holding out for a 5680 to come out with the M11...even if it is only 20-30% faster than the M10. Oh yeah...it's great to finally be part of the forum...yall have taught me alot.
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2/13/04 at 3:12pm
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Welcome Flyby. We look forward to your contributions to our madness.
On the M11, it appears, at least so far, despite it being the logical next step, 256 MB VRAM is wishful thinking. Actually, considering what else is going on in the industry, its really not that surprising. Big changes afoot, AGP is a dead end with its successor being PCI Express or alternatively, Hypertransport. So why would ATI put a lot of effort into a new model that will be obsolesced so totally in such a short time. And its not just the bus system, there's BTX as the basic format for Mother Boards as well. Changes in memory, drives, even 64 bit architecture replacing 32 bit. Its a bloody revolution.
That's not to say ATI couldn't or wouldn't bump the M11 up to 256 MB. If they think they can squeeze a round of graphics processor money out of the using public (think obsessive gamers who will spend any amount to have the latest and greatest, even if for only a few months). While I am sure there's a lot that would jump on it without a moment's hesitation, the bigger question is if getting them to buy an M11 based on AGP would slow their enthusiasm for an M12 based on PCI Express in a few months. For the totally obsessed, they could probably squeeze in a couple of processors, but for vast majority, no way and ATI is not going to spoil the appetite for the new tech, too much to risk.
On the M11, it appears, at least so far, despite it being the logical next step, 256 MB VRAM is wishful thinking. Actually, considering what else is going on in the industry, its really not that surprising. Big changes afoot, AGP is a dead end with its successor being PCI Express or alternatively, Hypertransport. So why would ATI put a lot of effort into a new model that will be obsolesced so totally in such a short time. And its not just the bus system, there's BTX as the basic format for Mother Boards as well. Changes in memory, drives, even 64 bit architecture replacing 32 bit. Its a bloody revolution.
That's not to say ATI couldn't or wouldn't bump the M11 up to 256 MB. If they think they can squeeze a round of graphics processor money out of the using public (think obsessive gamers who will spend any amount to have the latest and greatest, even if for only a few months). While I am sure there's a lot that would jump on it without a moment's hesitation, the bigger question is if getting them to buy an M11 based on AGP would slow their enthusiasm for an M12 based on PCI Express in a few months. For the totally obsessed, they could probably squeeze in a couple of processors, but for vast majority, no way and ATI is not going to spoil the appetite for the new tech, too much to risk.
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2/13/04 at 3:43pm
PCI-Express is the replacement for both the PCI and AGP busses, in its various flavors. Designed to help with current data flow bottlenecks. It's a bus that is fully bi-directional, serial point-to-point connection that carries data in packets.
Basicly allows for data to move faster around the components that make up your PC, as well as allowing for more data to shuttle around the variouse parts of your motherboard. Letting everything "talk" to each other fatser and more effeciently.
Plenty of articles out there that give fuller (and yes better) ideas of what it is. Here's a link to one:
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Basicly allows for data to move faster around the components that make up your PC, as well as allowing for more data to shuttle around the variouse parts of your motherboard. Letting everything "talk" to each other fatser and more effeciently.
Plenty of articles out there that give fuller (and yes better) ideas of what it is. Here's a link to one:
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