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m9700, any notebook SLI benchmarks?

post #1 of 14
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Hello!

I recently ordered a m9700 and I cant find any notebook SLI benchmarks. But I did a bit of research and well, idk.

This guy has 2x geforce GO 7800GTX in sli and a desktop processor.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=260918

5208 is not a good score considering the hardware running that thing. I scored 4377 on my Aurora 7700 with a single 7800GTX.

That’s the only SLI notebook I could find on futuremark.

Now, coming from a nvidia desktop SLI perspective this should not be the case.

Here is a desktop 3dmark06 of a system with 1x 7800GTX 512
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=164440 5655

Here is my desktop 3dmark06 score with 2x 7800GT SLI (other hardware very similar)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=170945 7286

And that’s the norm, the weaker cards in SLI blow away the stronger single cards.

Does anyone have and benchmarks on Notebook SLI? I am thinking there is something wrong with that notebook SLI score…

thanks
post #2 of 14
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=155691
For the thread that's one the same page as your with a link a review...

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx
and the results.

5200 is a great score, what I wonder is why you bought a m9700 when you have a m7700- you probably won't see too much of a boost in performance, but hey it's up to you.

What worries me is you put downsevral grand, without finding the bleeding obvious review- a google for "m9700 review" gives 3 results that after one more click lead to the review,

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=m97...utf-8&oe=utf-8

and a forum search has two links ont he front page: http://www.notebookforums.com/search...archid=2299107
post #3 of 14
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thx, "edit" dident read link far enough. so it looks like 2x 7800GS SLI (non-OC) is about as powerful as 1x 7800gtx OC and slightely better when OC.

This machine is MUCH more portable then the aurora 7700, that system is completly useless if you are not connected to external power.

Overall looks good to me =)
post #4 of 14
benchmark scores don't necessarily = gaming performance...

just my .02, and the review of the m9700 does provide 3dmark05 n 06...I believe it will break 10K in 05 overclocked...BUT so does the new dell xps 1710 (not sure what number it is) w/ the duel core intel and 512 7900gtx...

so apples n oranges, they are about equal in respect to benchmarks
post #5 of 14
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benchmark scores don't necessarily = gaming performance...

???

are you saying that a system with a higher 3dmark score will not preform better then a system with a lower one?

i mean, if you are talking about games like solitaire ya, but any modern 3d game performs better on a system with high 3dmark scores….
post #6 of 14
Not always, you certainly wont notice a 200 mark change, proably not even 500.
Also, depending on the sort of game it could require different things- eg one game could be processor relaint, or ram reliant, and 3dMark might not have the same need.

3dMark is good to get an idea of the performance, but a difference of a fewhundred makes very little difference.

Also, they're 7900gs and they're more powerful than a 7900GTX 512mb, if we look over on the old dell forum. Non OC'd.
post #7 of 14
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True, but the human eye cannot tell any difference past 40 FPS soooo, its all about your benchmark.

For me, I look at it as what will my system be able to handle in the future.

And yes, I would hope that 2x 7900gs is better then 1 7900GTX (whole point of me posting all them links in OP) but it dosent look like by much. According to the 3dmark scores, the 7900GS SLI is getting about what I was getting out of a 7800GTX. Unlike the desktop counterpart, where 2x 7800GT’s absolutely blow away a 7800GTX 512…
post #8 of 14
The 7900gs SLI setup beats a 7900gtx in 3dMark benchmarks by 10-15%, but benchmarks react better to SLI than most games.

You also need to realize your 7700 has a desktop processor, the m9700 has a turion mobile processor. It will make a difference.





Here's the results from another review for a Dell XPS laptop with a duo core processor and a 7900gtx 512 for comparison.



As I understand it, with some games SLI makes little difference, with other games at high resolutions and AF + AA it can make a big difference. I suspect in most games a single gtx is likely to beat dual 7900gs's in SLI.

I think 3dMark is optimized for SLI, but many games won't be. Depends on the coding and drivers.

Here is info released from Nvidia on the notebook SLI performance. I understand most of the time SLI will improve performance 30-50%, so these results were probably cherry picked...



I don't understand your point on mobility. The m9700 is reported to weigh 8.5 pounds by AW, and they say the 7700 is 9 pounds. They're essentially the same size, 17" screen etc.

Overall I'd say the m9700 and the 7700 with a 7900gtx in there will offer about the same performance on games that are SLI compatible and use the feature well, but the only real advantage will be battery life due to the m9700's low power use components. You'll get about an hour on battery with the 7700, about two hours on the m9700, but the m9700 may only operate on a single 7900gs while on battery. I haven't been able to confirm that yet.

On games that don't incorporate SLI well, the single gtx should be a better performer IMO.

Were I you, I'd just have upgraded the vid card on the 7700 and saved several grand unless the extra hour on battery is worth that much to you...

For me, I'll be moving up from an older 5500 with an ATi mr9700 vid card, so the improvement will be drastic, but I need a laptop now so I ordered the m9700. Had Alienware offered a dual core mobile processor either Turion X2 or Duo Core with a single 7900gtx 512, I'd probably have gone that route.
post #9 of 14
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Thanks for all the info guys, I really appreciate it.

I have been running SLI for some time now and
You are correct, some games are not SLI certified and show no improvement when SLI is enabled. I list of SLI certified games can be found here. http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone2_game.html

If your favorite game is not listed here, think twice before getting an SLI rig and spend the money on a better, single card. You can read forums.nvidia.com and see all the threads on this.

To answer your question
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I don't understand your point on mobility. The m9700 is reported to weigh 8.5 pounds by AW, and they say the 7700 is 9 pounds

One of the main reasons I originally bought a aurora m7700 is I needed a high performance notebook. This notebook would need to run on battery power at times for no more then 20 min. the m7700 has a power saving feature built into the MB. This feature lowers the CPU multiplier and CPU volts. This is NOT AMD cool n’ quite kicking in, it is an integrated feature CLEVO has added to their MB. Good news about it, you get about an hour of battery power. Bad news, it took an AMD X2 4400+ from 2.2Ghz per core to a very low voltage 1Ghz per core, making “anything” high performance impossible. It was recently confirmed by AW and CLEVO that this feature cannot be turned off. So I need to go with a system with a mobile processor.

A note on 3dmark06: 3dmark06 can test dual core processors (uses multi thread app to test) where 3dmark05 does not. So a Dell with an Intel Core Duo will get a higher processor score then the m9700 and a single core processor. Oh course, processor score is only a % of your total score, most comming from you vid card performance. There are no multi thread games out yet, the unreal 3 engine will support multi threaded games, but it will be some time before our favorite games will show a great benefit from dual core processors

thx again
post #10 of 14
I see...

So it's not about mobility necessarily, it's about performance and longevity on battery. I thought you meant the m9700 would be easier to carry around than the 7700, but it really probably won't except the power brick will be much smaller.

And I do know about dual core and 3dMark06. I think it's giving people false hopes for dual core performance, as it won't affect games at all until they start multi-threading games, and even then the performance difference will be minimal as games will require most of the content to be on one thread for consistency as I understand it. 3dMark has been misleading for a while though, as it shows a much greater increase for SLI than you'll actually see in most games.

Regarding the power down deal with the 7700 on battery, and AMD's cool and quiet... I recently read that the m9700 will only use one of the 7900gs's while on battery. I haven't been able to confirm it yet, but it makes sense for battery. Unfortunately in SLI games that will lower performance on battery if true, but it will extend battery life obviously... I wonder if that's true, or if you can use SLI while on battery if you want. A single 7900gs will still be very powerful, but not gtx powerful...

I was waiting to order a 7700 until the 7900gtx was available, or to see if Alienware was going to offer a core duo or Turion X2 laptop with the 7900gtx in there when they put the m9700 up. Most of my gaming will still be on desktop, but for the short term I'll need a laptop while we remodel our house so this is perfect for me.

I also read an article that said AW may offer the gtx in the m9700 in the future, but as a single card not as SLI. We'll have to wait and see... It'll be interesting to say the least if they can find a cooling solution that will allow dual 7900 gtx 512's in there...
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I also read an article that said AW may offer the gtx in the m9700 in the future, but as a single card not as SLI. We'll have to wait and see... It'll be interesting to say the least if they can find a cooling solution that will allow dual 7900 gtx 512's in there...

LINK???
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Vicious_CB
LINK???

I'll see if I can find it.
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post #14 of 14
Markr01, that first link on your first post is a guy with the Malx/clevo5950 laptop, the desktop processor is the turion, it just shows up as the plain old Athlon 64. I have the same machine as my motherboard in my laptop shows up as the same clevo model shown in his 3dmark info. I run 3dmark and get over 6k (6300). He is just running the lower end processor, a 2.2ghz MT40 and benching bone stock. I cannot see how people get a graphics card beast laptop, then skimp on the processor hehe. I grabbed the ML-44 with my laptop and overclocked it to a spiffy 2.55ghz for full time fun! I run the coolbits overclock and use clockgen on the processor on my laptop to get the most out of it, as
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