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post #81 of 115
9/23/06 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by Sixman
Yep, after endless hours of reinstalling xp, sp2, I never tought i´d be so happy to see that little blue circle indicating that Windows Vista is in my M-6805. Feels great and everything is working perfect. Greetings.
i recommend that you revisit the computer properties to be sure that it is set to (ACPI) do review the list we have in this thread for apps compatibility and add onto it anything that you find or even correct the status cheers ...
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post #82 of 115
9/24/06 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by qhn
another quick update - rc1/xp/suse10.1 system rc1 running apps: . ... . nero 6.6.14 (call nero.exe, forget the startsmart) . ...
just came across this http://www.apcstart.com/site/tgaden/...claims-alcohol wow, it is heavy stuff cheers ...
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post #83 of 115
9/29/06 at 4:12pm
Hi

So far Vista is working great, and I really like this OS (so much that I won't return to XP). My only problem now is the display drivers for my Mobility Radeon 9600 grapichs-card.

When using the standard Microsoft-driver I get support for Aero glass, and about 7600 points in 3dmark01 (normally I would get about 12000 in XP).
Then I downloaded the ATI RC1-drivers and Catalyst center, and installed them.

Sadly I didn't get the peformance gain I was hoping for, they work exactly like the Microsoft standard-driver. Aero glass is supported, no BSOD, but not the 3d-performance like in XP. I've checked the device manager to be sure that it is the ATI-drivers, and not the Microsoft-drivers that are running now, but other then that I'm clueless. A couple of games complains about lack of 3d-support in my grapichs card, like Armadillo Run, so there'se definatly something wrong with the drivers.

Any ideas would be greatly appriciated
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post #84 of 115
9/29/06 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by psyko-lefse
Hi

So far Vista is working great, and I really like this OS (so much that I won't return to XP).
know what u mean, still it is not quite there yet, i still have some apps that r a bit quirky (work, but quirky) under vista

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Originally Posted by psyko-lefse
My only problem now is the display drivers for my Mobility Radeon 9600 grapichs-card.

When using the standard Microsoft-driver I get support for Aero glass, and about 7600 points in 3dmark01 (normally I would get about 12000 in XP).
Then I downloaded the ATI RC1-drivers and Catalyst center, and installed them.

Sadly I didn't get the peformance gain I was hoping for, they work exactly like the Microsoft standard-driver. Aero glass is supported, no BSOD, but not the 3d-performance like in XP. I've checked the device manager to be sure that it is the ATI-drivers, and not the Microsoft-drivers that are running now, but other then that I'm clueless. A couple of games complains about lack of 3d-support in my grapichs card, like Armadillo Run, so there'se definatly something wrong with the drivers.

Any ideas would be greatly appriciated
u did correctly, i m using vista rc1 driver myself, it is more stable than the atiRC1
My thought is that ati is quite aware of the issue of 3D game performance, that is why the latest atiRC1 version. Over the grapewine, vistaRC1 probably gets another update, so i just hold on tight and see - this is still a beta

but please do communicate and share ur experience further, it would be great

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post #85 of 115
9/29/06 at 4:46pm
have u looked directly under the forum of the game in question? the buzz is going around and many gamers are inputting tweaks for vista (&some of the tweak for xp can sometimes be applied to vista as well)

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post #86 of 115
9/29/06 at 4:58pm
I don't think there is a problem with the game itself, but with the grapichs driver. I've tried serveal games and different version of 3dmark, and the peformance is about half of what it was in XP. And the fact that I'm not seeing any peformance gain from Vista's driver to Ati's driver also support that.

As a guy on another forum said, the ATI drivers are just proof-of-concept for now, to show that they can make the screen show something, and not just a BSOD. Well done ATI

Other than that, Vista is great. I really like the new GUI, and how you navigate trough folder and files. And it looks beautiful!
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post #87 of 115
9/29/06 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by psyko-lefse
I don't think there is a problem with the game itself, but with the grapichs driver.
i do agree,
and many gamers r just trying to find a work around FOR vista

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post #88 of 115
10/3/06 at 11:29am
another - how.much.is.vista.worth:
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/2931

update:
. VLC is cool for vista - install and play, no extra worry about codecs
. IE7: is it just me? it seems to be "not responding" a lot lately; and man, is it slow comparing to ff, i mean seriously_ridiculously slow
. watch it for java update, the only stable version i have so far is 1.5; .06 and above comes back with INcompatibility galore - typical MS underhanding
. still many sites out there NOT aero conforming (ha ha ha - more like the other way around) causing the theme to switch back & forth between aero and basic
. copernics desktop search works brilliantly
. i m now totally sure that vista is putting a brake in my broadband performance, a good 15-20% below par of what my XP can do (looking a way to overcome and tweaking this)

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post #89 of 115
10/4/06 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by qhn
.... watch it for java update, the only stable version i have so far is 1.5; .06 and above comes back with INcompatibility galore - typical MS underhanding...
just update vista RC1 with java beta 6.0 - NO hiccup! NO tweak around, accepted it straight out (go figure)

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post #90 of 115
10/6/06 at 3:42am
i posted this on another thread, but just wanted to bring it here since we have been busying with ati and all:
http://gamershell.ii.net/cgi-bin/fh2...ektechdemo.zip

a demo clip of what directx10 can do to a game, this was being performed on a non-directx10 gpu hardware - can't wait to try out a directx10 game on this vistaRC1

my personal take is that microsoft is a bit clever now in getting into the area of graphic-tweaking. I currently cannot perform any tweak to the ATI - the one that i did under xp, it got bombed each time i changed a setting,

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post #91 of 115
10/7/06 at 8:34am

[B]vista RC2 available[/B]

get it quick, while u can
RC2 = build 5744

i personally recommend a fresh install. well, we got no choice but a fresh install, no upgrade capability in this build version

in awe - a noticeable improvement from RC1
if u have build 5728, do (must) get this RC2 (or go back to RC1 - personal opinion)

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post #92 of 115
10/9/06 at 12:39pm
just coming across a few registry tweaks that would add enjoyment to ur vista experience (my 2 cents anyway)

this is to allow the bringing to foreground a window (mac style?) when u point the mouse pointer over it - typical disclaimer (back ur register 1st, and do this at your own risk)

if the value is already there, just modify it. If not create them as follow

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop
. ActiveWindowTracking = dword (32bits*) = hex 1

. ActiveWndTrkTimeout= dword (32bits*) = decimal 700 (determine how long the pointer is over before the windows is being brought forward)

. UserPreferencesMask = reg_binary =

here is the trick:
To force the window to also come to the foreground you need to add "0x41" hex.
If the current value is "be, 3e, 00, 00" using a calculator add "be" (hex) and "41" (hex), the total equals "ff" (hex). Therefore change the value "be" to "ff" and it now becomes "ff, 3e, 00 00".

in my case it was 9a 16 03 80 10 00 00 00
it became after add db 16 03 80 10 00 00 00

note that under XP only 4 sets of value is available - as in the example above, something to think about that vista is just not a simple update from xp

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse
. ActiveWindowTracking = dword (32bits*) = hex 1

. ActiveWndTrkTimeout= dword (32bits*) = decimal 700 (determine how long the pointer is over before the windows is being brought forward)

* = under vista one has the option to define a dword as either 32 or 64 bits

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post #93 of 115
10/9/06 at 12:56pm
Good Threads Bud, I will put my thoughts in a little while, I am off to search for RC2, I did not even know it was out.. lol

Fraser
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post #94 of 115
10/9/06 at 1:20pm
Guys, I am sure you have the link to RC2, but incase any of you dont have it, here it is. I am not sure if the same key will work that is used in RC1, Is anyone aware if it does?
http://download.windowsvista.com/pre...n/download.htm

Fraser
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post #95 of 115
10/10/06 at 10:08pm
That link takes me to RC1?
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post #96 of 115
10/11/06 at 5:38am
RC2 is now off the public domain - seemed that the quota has been achieved. The only way is trying to find someone who has it and hosts it.

-> Reservior Dog : ur current key would work with no issue

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post #97 of 115
10/11/06 at 7:24am
ghn Thanks for the Info...

I have found a link to RC2, it it by means of a Bit Torrent. It is well seeded, and is working. I tried the link I posted as welll and it kept sending me to RC1, You can use the serial Key that you used for RC1 in RC2. I will let you know when I have installed. AVG also has free virus software that is compatible with Vista. it works welll. Still need to find some burning software as Nero is not working. Here is the link to the torrent, I suggest U Torrent as the software to download the Bit Torrent Link.


Kind Regards


Fraser
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post #98 of 115
10/11/06 at 7:27am
Furthermore, its the 32bit ver.. Remember your key form RC1 will work on
RC2.

Fraser
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post #99 of 115
10/11/06 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by qhn
just coming across a few registry tweaks that would add enjoyment to ur vista experience (my 2 cents anyway) this is to allow the bringing to foreground a window (mac style?) when u point the mouse pointer over it - typical disclaimer (back ur register 1st, and do this at your own risk) if the value is already there, just modify it. If not create them as follow HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Control Panel\\Desktop . ActiveWindowTracking = dword (32bits*) = hex 1 . ActiveWndTrkTimeout= dword (32bits*) = decimal 700 (determine how long the pointer is over before the windows is being brought forward) . UserPreferencesMask = reg_binary = here is the trick: To force the window to also come to the foreground you need to add "0x41" hex. If the current value is "be, 3e, 00, 00" using a calculator add "be" (hex) and "41" (hex), the total equals "ff" (hex). Therefore change the value "be" to "ff" and it now becomes "ff, 3e, 00 00". in my case it was 9a 16 03 80 10 00 00 00 it became after add db 16 03 80 10 00 00 00 note that under XP only 4 sets of value is available - as in the example above, something to think about that vista is just not a simple update from xp HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Control Panel\\Mouse . ActiveWindowTracking = dword (32bits*) = hex 1 . ActiveWndTrkTimeout= dword (32bits*) = decimal 700 (determine how long the pointer is over before the windows is being brought forward) * = under vista one has the option to define a dword as either 32 or 64 bits cheers ...
Here's a little something I came across and thought I share this little tid-bit about RC2 and DX9 enjoy: Fix Aero Glass on Low end DX9 Cards: http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/chr...DX9-Cards.aspx Some people with low end DX9 cards (Geforce 5x00 series and ATI 9x00 series) have been reporting issues of Aero Glass not enabling itself despite getting a system rating more than good enough to run Aero Glass. This is a known issue in RC2 and is on the board to be fixed in RTM. But for now here's the workaround that I spotted on AeroXP (Posted by Colonel.Cool). 1. Ensure that you have the following registry value set to : HKCU\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\DWM\\Composition set to 1 (32-bit DWORD) HKCU\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\DWM\\CompositionPolicy set to 2 (32-bit DWORD) 2. Restart DWM by opening a command prompt with administrative privileges : - Type 'net stop uxsms' - Then 'net start uxsms' After doing this you should have Glass, enjoy! NOTE: Do NOT try this on a non-DX9 card. This is for people who should be getting Glass only.
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post #100 of 115
10/11/06 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by denb45
...Some people with low end DX9 cards (Geforce 5x00 series and ATI 9x00 series) have been reporting issues of Aero Glass not enabling itself despite getting a system rating more than good enough to run Aero Glass. This is a known issue in RC2 and is on the board to be fixed in RTM. But for now here's the workaround that I spotted on AeroXP (Posted by Colonel.Cool)...
would it have any side effect over the overall performance of vista?

i have the feeling that this has much to do with the gpu's in question not yet having a wddm driver, either from the manufacturers themselves or not yet being incorporated into vista driver datbase

a work-around is always good.

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