Alienware Aurora m9700 or Dell XPS M1710? - Page 5  

apples n oranges imho...both are kick ass and both beat my pos 1.4 centrino M9 gpu that i'm using...btw M9 = ati 9600 64mb :P

Of course the other manufacturers will, or now offer the 7900gtx512. Dell recently has been getting the newest parts first due to buying power and whatnot. It's been happening since the 9800 ATi series came out.

The funny thing is though that once the other manufacturers end up getting these parts, they smoke the Dell products due to Dell's policies on motherboards and support hardware.

It will be interesting to see what the 7700 with a gtx512 can do as opposed to the Dell XPS.

I also read an article somewhere that said that Alienware intends to offer a single gtx in the m9700 in the future but I haven't heard anything about that from Alienware. Maybe it'll be an option when the Turion X2 m9700 is released.

I wonder if they'll ever be able to offer dual gtx512's in the m9700...

So basically, what we have here is a "failure to communicate". This will be my final message on this aspect of the topic. 1. I read yours (the post, all of it) looked at the prices and said Wowza, that is pretty expensive. Here, look at mine I got the same thing (minus the mouse + a better warranty than the one you priced) for far cheaper. 2. I NEVER said your stuff was wrong. I basically said hey, you did some research NICE, thanks for the info. But here, take a look at my system (same specs minus the mouse) and I bought it here for $2800 shipped directly from Dell. 3. So, in my opinion you, either have still not read my post or did not understand what I was doing when I cut and pasted to save myself some typing. EDIT: Fixed the quotey part thingy.

since Wulfgott made a great movie quote, I'll make another famous quote

-"can't we all just get along..."

and from care bears the movie..."care bear...stare!!!"

hehe oops, I forgot to put the quotes around it =)

Thanks for reminding me hehe

Of course you don't think anybody understands what you posted because you can't comprehend that what you're saying has nothing to do with what I wrote.

You bought your system through an ebay reseller. Good for you.

You did not buy your system directly from Dell, you bought through a reseller that is more than likely abusing his merchant reseller agreement with Dell. If it works out for you, that's great, but if indeed this is legit and acceptable to Dell, why do they charge such an absorbitant price on their website? Somehow, I don't think this "deal" is going to last.

I posted pricing of an m1710 directly from Dell's website that is as close as can be configured to the m9700 I ordered directly from Alienware. The Dell is markedly more expensive, and it is easily arguable that it's not constructed from the same quality parts the Alienware is.

I also was interested in buying a Dell 30" lcd monitor for myself, and after perusing several forums I found several outsourced firms in India that were willing to sell me the monitor at a deep discount also through the small business section. I wonder why Dell marks up their product to such a ridiculous degree that their contractors and resellers can slash prices drastically and still make money...

If your bottom line is money, you can get a Sager 5760 for around the same price you bought your discounted m1710, and again the Sager is arguably better hardware, and it comes with duo core and the gtx512 I believe.

As far as I'm concerned from my "research", the Dell is an inferior product that costs more than higher quality alternatives, and finding someone willing to resell you one for a discount temporarily doesn't change that.

Why doesn't Dell sell the m1710 I configured for $2800?

Where is it we're not "getting along"?

I don't see any personal insults, just the facts, ma'am...

rgr, n "thanks for your cooperation"

Wait, what?

If those comments constitute personal insults to you, I guess I understand why you'd think the Dell that lists for $600 more than the m9700 in my example is cheaper. I'm guessing you're new to "the internets"...

You guys that keep posting this crap amaze me! (hammerhead and vicious) stop maxing out all the options on both systems. I have a M1710 check sig. for specs) that i spent 2600 on after coupon. yes, anyone can get these coupons, they are readily available.
I own a M1710 right now because when i bought it it was the best performer out here and it WILL fall way to a mALX as soon as they start shipping.
Bang for buck you cannot beat this computer, and bang for buck means you are shopping by price not the least expensive maxed out rig.

edited: please avoid petty name calling

Not hard to amaze you apparently, you can't tell "crap" from the facts.


What are you talking about? I ordered an m9700 from Alienware, and to answer the allegations that Dell's are "better" and "cheaper" than the m9700, I ran as close to the same configuration I could with the system I ordered. I didn't max out one configuration and minimize the other.

Just so happens in context with this string the m9700 not only outperforms the m1710, it's less expensive according to the company's websites. Sorry that apparently upsets you so much.

Call me an idiot if you wish despite the mod warning, but I don't have the need to risk buying a system from someone obviously abusing their merchant's license. I'm sure Dell will address this relatively new issue of resellers unloading Dell equipment cheaply soon or they're dumber than I thought.


That's awesome. Why would I care?


We all know you can get coupons to use on Dell products. What has that got to do with this discussion? Have they issued any 40% off coupons on the m1710?


Who's the idiot throwing personal insults after two direct warnings not to do so from a mod? And you have two Dell configurations in your sig, you're in here blustering because someone posted a direct quote from Dell in comparison to a direct quote from Alienware in the closest to the same configuration as possible, and you just can't stand that the Dell quote is higher than the Alienware.

You argue without facts, you talk about coupons and resellers on ebay and how to get the cheapest computer possible.

You're a typical Dell guy.


That's great. What does that have to do with this string? Dell rarely if ever has had the best performer "out here" except when they get an exclusive intro to hardware like first access to the 7900gtx and duo core processors.

Of course a machine with a 7900gtx is going to ouperform a machine with a 7800gtx.

Do I need to explain buying power to you, and talk about Dell's ability to get exclusives on hardware, and be able to work directly with manufacturers during development so they can be the first to institute new technologies?

All I need to do is look at all of the reviews of even Dell's XPS line to see the complaints from reviewers about Dell motherboards limiting the performance of the gpu hardware. When other manufacturers get the same gen hardware, they consistently beat the performance of the XPS line.

It's true you have to wait a little longer to get some hardware from some manufacturers, but that wasn't an issue in this string.


You're wrong. The systems are not the same, and the quality of components used by each company are very different. You are only concerned with framerates and bottom line, that's why you bought a Dell and it loses out to the m9700 on raw framerates at least in the context of this string.

In my case, a similar configuration from Dell and Alienware shows the m9700 I ordered is less expensive. The hardware is much better quality in the Alienware, the onboard sound is far superior, the performance is better for my uses, more options on drives, heat will be less of a concern with two gs's and two heatsink/heattubes for the low thermal power gpu's, and battery life with normal use should be much better in the Alienware. That information is relevant to the OP's questions.

This string was going just fine, even after the Dell guys came in with the focus on price. We didn't say much when Jakes posted his overclocked benchmarks that are less than the m9700's stock benchmarks and still said the Dell was the way to go. Usually you don't post the negatives when trying to influence someone to buy what you bought...

It started becoming an issue though when in typical Dell troll style, Jakes started looking for a fight, repeatedly posting a comment out of context and ignoring the responses to his inability to comprehend what he read. About page 4 of this string I believe. He became belligerent and refused to deal with what was actually being said making assinine comments in order to start a flame war.

That started the usual, "but Dell is cheap with a coupon or on ebay", so I posted pricing of the m9700 I ordered with as close as I could configure Dell on their configurator to counter the only point that continuously comes up with Dell systems, pricing. I don't care if you can buy an m1710 from a guy out of his trunk on Sunset boulevard for two fiddy, it has nothing to do with this string or this comparison.

This is typical of the way these issues are addressed in the Alienware section by the Dell fanboys. Everything was going fine in this string, wasn't even a problem when someone posted links to the Dell section. We addressed the points the original poster asked about, and addressed the incorrect information posted by the Dell guys until I posted configurations right off both companies websites.

"OMG! How dare Hammerhead post configurations off the websites in direct comparison in the Alienware section to answer issues raised! OMG, doesn't Hammerhead know if you wait until the second Tuesday after a full moon and buy from a site in Hungary you can save money on that configuration? How dare he answer the OP's questions on hardware, quality, and of course his opinion!!! Oh man, if you lower the memory by a G, and get a piece of crap vid card the Dell is even cheaper. Doesn't matter to me that the hardware is crap, it's cheap! Why does Hammerhead compare prices directly off of the websites of as close to the same configuration as he can!!!"

As I said, you Dell guys are hopeless.

You have your own string in your own section on this, post your crap there and you won't be corrected like you will be here. It's really very simple. There is even a string posted out of necessity to warn Dell people not to come in this section to start arguments which none of you can apparently read. Unfortunately the last time this happened, several Alienware section posters responding to the BS got banned along with the trolls, so I'm going to abandon this string.

The hardware issues were addressed, the pricing was addressed, and I hope we answered the OP's questions before the usual invasion of Dell fanboys that can't address the issues without plugging their ears and screaming about discount ebay sales and coupons.

spent some time on that response didn't you???lol

please stray from personal attacks, I do not want to lock this thread as it does have a TON of great information as for those members who are looking @ either GREAT products in the future.

yang

I think this thread got way out of hand. It was supposed to be about giving the FACTS to the OP inquiring about these two systems, not about showing everyone how cheap you got your computer and why my system can beat the crap outta your system in the school yard. What I'm trying to do is not to 'personally attack' anyone but give the CORRECT information and point out the INCORRECT information other people give as to give the OP a better understanding of the differences between these two fine systems so he doesnt get lead off by posters who only care about him "buying their system"

I tried to be as objective as possible in all my posts by using factual information from Dell's and Alienware's website as well as some 3rd party reviews to illustrate that yes both systems have their specialities(dual core vs single, SLI vs single GPU) and people have their reasons for choosing a particular system. I find it very frustrating when posters come to this thread claiming things that are not true. If you do post something like "the XPS beats out the AW SLI by 500000 points in 3dMARK05" please have a link, graph, screenshot or something to back up your statement.

For all you guys in the UK why pay 2500£ for an Alienware, when you can get the same laptop from Evesham for 1800£, 700£ for a piar of glowing eyes seems quite steep. If Alienware was so great cant they get their own design.

I like the name I like the glowing eyes, I think it looks cool.

I dont like the fact that they charge 30% more than other vendors for the same product, I dont like the fact that noboddy here got a decent price on there systems and I dont like the posts like this on this forum

Why did I think that Alienware would even try to fix my problems??? ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Last Page)

My Alienware Support Issues. ( 1 2 3) laughterkillsme


And I really dont like the fact that Hammerhead says that he does not post personal comments when he is clearly is,

Hey guys, what's going on in here? Oh... *backs out slowly*

I love the way you assume everything. Keep up the good work!

both companies have their advantages and disadvantages.

If they weren't good at what they do and build, Dell wouldn't have offered to buy AW. If AW didn't think that Dell was behind their products they wouldn't have accepted.

Nuff said... I've heard enough horror stories (and have a few of my own) on both sides to lay you guys down flat.

Jeez... you're starting to make otaku look good.

hey you cant sit on the fense, make your choice