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This guide is for e1705/i9400 users that are not happy about the performance/temperature issues of the geforce go 7800. The 7900gs runs at considerably lower temperatures than the 7800. Stigmata, two of our friends, and I have all used this method to get a free upgrade to the 7900gs. Thank you Dell.

Step 1: Get a Case Number
There are multiple ways to do this. The quickest way is probably to use Dell Chat, which can be found here. Tell the support rep that your graphics card reaches 80c while idle (make sure you state that it is celsius, they will tell you 80f is nothing). If you are reaching core slowdown during games, mention that. Say that the keyboard is very hot near the graphics card area. Two things can happen:
A. The rep will offer a replacement, or in some cases they may say the fan has issues. In any case, if you have on-site service they will issue a dispatch and a tech will come and do the specified repair. You will get a case number at the end of the chat session. Write it down somewhere.
B. If the chat rep insists that nothing is wrong with the laptop, say that you are not happy with this chat and that you'll call/email dell tomorrow. You should be given a case number anyways.
Personally, I would rather have a tech come and do some sort or repair, which will give you more leverage for Step 2.
An alternative to chat is to email them. Calling might work too.

Step 2: The Outstanding Issues Form
After you get the repair done if you got A, or after you get B, head on over here. This is the "Outstanding Issues" form, where a representative at Dell's corporate headquarters will read your request. The possibilities here are endless. Explain that the repair didn't help the overheating at all. Mention that the 7900gs is now available as an upgrade for about the same price you got the 7800 upgrade for. Mention that you've read online that the 7900gs doesn't have an overheating problem. Here are some samples (DO NOT COPY):

This is what I sent after getting a replacement 7800 using Dell Chat
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Two weeks ago I was having overheating issues with my laptop's go7800 graphics card, so I was given a replacement card to be installed by a tech. A week later I hadn't heard from a tech yet so I used this form to find out what was going on. I was told that the part was lost so they sent another part to the tech. Yesterday the tech finally arrived and exchanged the graphics card. However, I was disappointed when the tech turned on the computer to test the new card. After about ten minutes, the card had started to overheat (this was verified by the tech). So now, I'm stuck with a card with the same problem.
To my further disappointment, the 7900gs is now available as an upgrade for the same price I paid for the 7800 upgrade. After reading about some people's experience with these two graphics cards it seems that the 7900gs does not exhibit the same overheating problem as the 7800. Since the replacement 7800 didn't solve my overheating problem, I would like it to be replaced with a 7900gs to permanently solve this problem. If this is not possible, then I would like to return the laptop as an overheating laptop is not what I paid for.
Stigmata's request, after getting his defective 7800 replaced with a 7800
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When my first Geforce 7800 Go was defective, I emailed Dell to get it replaced, also voicing my concerns about the many problems the 7800 seems to face in the E1705, including extreme overheating, to the point where the laptop is no longer comfortable to use and I am concerned for the safety of my hard drive, which is located right next to the graphics card. Both my old and my current 7800 cards faced this problem, as do the 7800 graphics cards in other Dell E1705's I've had experience with, but whenever I or my friends voice complaints to Dell, we're simply offered a replacement 7800, costing Dell time and money to replace our cards with identical cards that still face the same problems.

Quite frankly, I'm disappointed in the fact that within a week after I bought my E1705 equipped with the poorly designed 7800, the 7900 GS was released as an upgrade for the E1705, which runs at far more acceptable temperatures. Now, the 7800 has even been completely removed from Dell's store after a short lifetime, proving that even Dell has acknowledged the 7800's shortcomings. Dell's supposedly excellent customer service was one of the reasons I decided to buy a Dell laptop instead of going with a Sager or Toshiba; however, I know with 100% certainty that if I were to complain about the 7800 again, I would only receive yet another 7800, leaving my problems and concerns unresolved and wasting more of Dell's money.

If I were to receive a 7900 GS to replace my 7800 Go with, both parties would win. I would be happy, knowing that my graphics card would no longer heat to dangerously high levels (90 degrees Celsius is ridiculous for a laptop), and my confidence in Dell would be restored. Dell would no longer receive any complaints from me and would be able to stop sending 7800 after 7800 in futile attempts to solve my problems. I'm even willing to pay for the difference in prices.

So how about it? Will you solve my problems with one simple exchange for which I'm even willing to cover the cost of?
One I wrote for my friend, who used email instead of chat
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Ever since I bought this laptop I noticed that the right side of my keyboard would get unusually hot, especially while playing games. I learned that this was due to an overheating graphics card. Because of this, I emailed Dell Support about a week ago and the rep decided to send me a replacement 7800 which the rep said would fix my problem. Well, last friday a tech arrived and exchanged my graphics card. However, I was disappointed the next day when I discovered that the replacement video card had the exact same overheating issue. The card was hitting unreasonable temperatures even when I wasn't doing anything graphics intensive. Additionally, I was disappointed to find out that the 7900gs upgrade is now available as an option for the e1705 for the same price as the 7800 upgrade was when I got it. After reading some people's comments about the 7900gs online, it appears that this video card does not exhibit the same overheating issues as the 7800. Instead of getting my 7800 replaced with another 7800 that has the same issue, I would rather have my issue permanently resolved by having the 7800 replaced with a 7900gs. Please help me resolve this issue as I bought a Dell laptop for its reliability and not for instability.
All of those examples resulted in an upgrade to the 7900gs.

Of course, this isn't the only way to do it. This thread is for people to share how they got it, and for people who want to get it to ask questions.

If you want to post something about how we're cheapskates or are trying to scam dell etc, don't post, and just leave. We paid alot of money for these laptops, and we deserve laptops that are problem-free. Besides, Dell is perfectly fine about giving us upgrades.

I hope this helps anyone who is unhappy with their 7800.

edit: added "overheating" to title to indicate that you should only do this if you're having overheating issues.
post #2 of 29
I wonder if Dell is looking at this thread and saying..."Hmm...those notebookforum kids, the things they'll do to try to circumvent our system. First, they were unhappy with their LCD monitors and started calling to get replacments. Then, those pesky 9300 owners wanted a little more graphic oompgh and bought Go 6800 Ultra and 7800 GTXs. But we said enough was enough after the E1705 cheapskates decided to buy $1,000 laptops and try to purchase the high-end graphic cards and make ghetto XPSs instead of paying our high cost premiums."
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by KRP
I wonder if Dell is looking at this thread and saying..."Hmm...those notebookforum kids, the things they'll do to try to circumvent our system. First, they were unhappy with their LCD monitors and started calling to get replacments. Then, those pesky 9300 owners wanted a little more graphic oompgh and bought Go 6800 Ultra and 7800 GTXs. But we said enough was enough after the E1705 cheapskates decided to buy $1,000 laptops and try to purchase the high-end graphic cards and make ghetto XPSs instead of paying our high cost premiums."
How dare people be unhappy with sub par products!
post #4 of 29
You do realize that Dell is going to see this and quite possibly shut this system down?
post #5 of 29
Has anyone gotten Dell to send them a video card, or is it mandatory to have a tech come out?

I only have a 1 year standard warranty, will my only option be to send it in?

Thanks!
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by Inspiron9100
Has anyone gotten Dell to send them a video card, or is it mandatory to have a tech come out?

I only have a 1 year standard warranty, will my only option be to send it in?

Thanks!
If you dont have that at home warranty you have to send it in. I have gotten them to ship be a part before to install myself, but my most recent replacment I was not able to get them to let me install it myself
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Inspiron9100
Has anyone gotten Dell to send them a video card, or is it mandatory to have a tech come out?

I only have a 1 year standard warranty, will my only option be to send it in?

Thanks!

Stigmata and another friend got the card sent straight to them. Try saying stuff like "I can't go a single day without my laptop".
I think I read on this forum that someone got an upgrade even though they had to send the laptop in. So yea it's definitely possible.


and mZimm, I don't see why they would "shut this system down" given that it's more like Dell wants to fix your problem so you'll be their loyal customer. And this isn't exactly some "system" it's just that the people at Dell Corporate have more power, so they don't mind sending out 7900gs's. Besides, some guy in April posted how to get an axim x50v upgraded to an x51v, and that "system" is still working. The whole x50v/x51v issue is similar to this.
post #8 of 29
If Dell was smart, and yes they are in bad ways at times, they would simply allow graphics card to be sold as upgrades. Let us buy a 7900gtx even and let us hack up our lappys to personalize them to our needs. There are many opportunities. Unfortunatly, Dell's smart opinion was to, nah, lock the parts down, dont let em do it, if they want to upgrade they have to buy a whole new overpriced system. or jack the 7900 gtx to $1000 to hinder us from doing it on our own.
I dont like the idea of people trying to Scam Dell either, because in the end, who loses? We the consumer do as Dell increases their retail to recoup the losses cause by this type of thing.
Yes the 7800 had its con's, bite the bullit and pay the $325 to upgrade the card on your own. Resell the 7800's to ati owners who desire to upgrade from that. But for most people, the 7800's are just fine. if you overclock it, yea you will have problems with heat. If you wanted a performance system, should have bought an XPS.
Finally, dont be a fool and not think there are people over at Dell who monitor these forums, there are. So expect this loophole to be monitored and limted or even closed very quickly and hurting users who do have a legitimate problem. Don't do it just because you want a free upgrade and you dont have problems.
Dell was very aware of the problems when the 7800 was halted and the ATI offered in its place with sales reps telling people it's the same performance which was a bold faced lie. I even escalated my complaints and all I got out of it was a refund of the price of the ATI card and had to purchase a 7800 on my own (7900 wasnt available yet). That to me was fair enough.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by zolutar
If Dell was smart, and yes they are in bad ways at times, they would simply allow graphics card to be sold as upgrades. Let us buy a 7900gtx even and let us hack up our lappys to personalize them to our needs. There are many opportunities. Unfortunatly, Dell's smart opinion was to, nah, lock the parts down, dont let em do it, if they want to upgrade they have to buy a whole new overpriced system. or jack the 7900 gtx to $1000 to hinder us from doing it on our own.
I dont like the idea of people trying to Scam Dell either, because in the end, who loses? We the consumer do as Dell increases their retail to recoup the losses cause by this type of thing.
Yes the 7800 had its con's, bite the bullit and pay the $325 to upgrade the card on your own. Resell the 7800's to ati owners who desire to upgrade from that. But for most people, the 7800's are just fine. if you overclock it, yea you will have problems with heat. If you wanted a performance system, should have bought an XPS.
Finally, dont be a fool and not think there are people over at Dell who monitor these forums, there are. So expect this loophole to be monitored and limted or even closed very quickly and hurting users who do have a legitimate problem. Don't do it just because you want a free upgrade and you dont have problems.
Dell was very aware of the problems when the 7800 was halted and the ATI offered in its place with sales reps telling people it's the same performance which was a bold faced lie. I even escalated my complaints and all I got out of it was a refund of the price of the ATI card and had to purchase a 7800 on my own (7900 wasnt available yet). That to me was fair enough.

Good reply and I totally agree.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by falerus
Stigmata and another friend got the card sent straight to them. Try saying stuff like "I can't go a single day without my laptop".
I think I read on this forum that someone got an upgrade even though they had to send the laptop in. So yea it's definitely possible.


and mZimm, I don't see why they would "shut this system down" given that it's more like Dell wants to fix your problem so you'll be their loyal customer. And this isn't exactly some "system" it's just that the people at Dell Corporate have more power, so they don't mind sending out 7900gs's. Besides, some guy in April posted how to get an axim x50v upgraded to an x51v, and that "system" is still working. The whole x50v/x51v issue is similar to this.
They sure did shut down the whole 7800GTX upgrade thing, I'm sure they can shut this down too.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by zolutar
If Dell was smart, and yes they are in bad ways at times, they would simply allow graphics card to be sold as upgrades. Let us buy a 7900gtx even and let us hack up our lappys to personalize them to our needs. There are many opportunities. Unfortunatly, Dell's smart opinion was to, nah, lock the parts down, dont let em do it, if they want to upgrade they have to buy a whole new overpriced system. or jack the 7900 gtx to $1000 to hinder us from doing it on our own.
I dont like the idea of people trying to Scam Dell either, because in the end, who loses? We the consumer do as Dell increases their retail to recoup the losses cause by this type of thing.
Yes the 7800 had its con's, bite the bullit and pay the $325 to upgrade the card on your own. Resell the 7800's to ati owners who desire to upgrade from that. But for most people, the 7800's are just fine. if you overclock it, yea you will have problems with heat. If you wanted a performance system, should have bought an XPS.
Finally, dont be a fool and not think there are people over at Dell who monitor these forums, there are. So expect this loophole to be monitored and limted or even closed very quickly and hurting users who do have a legitimate problem. Don't do it just because you want a free upgrade and you dont have problems.
Dell was very aware of the problems when the 7800 was halted and the ATI offered in its place with sales reps telling people it's the same performance which was a bold faced lie. I even escalated my complaints and all I got out of it was a refund of the price of the ATI card and had to purchase a 7800 on my own (7900 wasnt available yet). That to me was fair enough.

1. This is not a scam
2. Dell makes its money by selling huge quantities of computers to large corporations. Replacing a few graphics cards is chump change to them.
3. Yes, I know there are people that are happy with their 7800. They shouldn't be trying to do this then. Notice that in the beginning I said this is for people who aren't happy. I never said that people should do this just to get better performance. This is for people that are having temperature problems which can cause a huge performance hit when the temperature hits the threshold.
4. This isn't a loophole. The Outstanding Issues form is there for people whose issues aren't solved by lower support. Dell chat is horrible at fixing this temperature issue. And yes I agree, don't do this if you don't have problems.
5. I'm sorry to hear about your issue with the ATI card.
6. I stated that this isn't the place to be talking about how we're "scamming" dell or how this is a "loophole" so if you must talk about that, please go make your own thread. I didn't mean for this to end up being a huge debate. I just knew that some people were having temperature problems with their 7800 and I wanted to help.
post #12 of 29
"If you want to post something about how we're cheapskates or are trying to scam dell etc, don't post, and just leave. We paid alot of money for these laptops, and we deserve laptops that are problem-free. Besides, Dell is perfectly fine about giving us upgrades."
post #13 of 29
Wasn't the 7800gtx loophole closed because the deal was posted on fatwallet and people were ordering 20 units and selling them ono ebay for 500 each?
post #14 of 29
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by Falerus 1. This is not a scam
no, it isnt, if you have an overheating stock card running at stock speeds, but it could be utilized as one by overclocekrs having heat problems wanting more
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2. Dell makes its money by selling huge quantities of computers to large corporations. Replacing a few graphics cards is chump change to them.
yes and no, if everyone held this opinion, the economy would have collapsed long ago. Remember, often Dell sells computers to large corporations at discounted prices, therefore are not making as much profit as you might think there... The thing about how companies work is just having the brand name out there by large corporations is advertising on its own. You work with a Dell, therefore you want a dell at home. You see a dell being used as a cash register etc... Banks are similar, who pays the higher interest rates on loans? who gets the lowest on their savings? Banks offer lower rates to bigger companies to get their business, and give them higher interest on their assets. Do you think a large company get charged a fee for every transaction you make like us, joe consumer does?, heh, no.... Companies make their profits on the backs of you and me and every other joe consumer. Not by the other people who have alot of money. The rich dont get richer by spending frivilously.
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3. Yes, I know there are people that are happy with their 7800. They shouldn't be trying to do this then. Notice that in the beginning I said this is for people who aren't happy. I never said that people should do this just to get better performance. This is for people that are having temperature problems which can cause a huge performance hit when the temperature hits the threshold.
Bravo for this, but 99.9% of people dont have overheating issues at stock speeds, but like I said, this opens things up for unscrupulous people overheating from overclocking, who would take advantage of the system.
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4. This isn't a loophole. The Outstanding Issues form is there for people whose issues aren't solved by lower support. Dell chat is horrible at fixing this temperature issue. And yes I agree, don't do this if you don't have problems.
There's alot of problems with Dell's tech support network, chat especially. and its not limited to just Dell. Many companies tech support suck in general. and Bravo
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5. I'm sorry to hear about your issue with the ATI card.
Thanks for that, its almost deserving of a thread on its own. But no point really, like I said, I found the resolution fair, but I still feel Dell should have been more accountable for the issue. My 7800 runs hot, I do have it overclocked, but scaled things down a bit to make it more comfortable. But not in a sense that I feel the need to call and try to get them to swap me up to a 7900. I want the 7900 GTX though, and actions from people posting on these very forums closed the ability to get that card. Sooner or later, somehow we will be able to get it. Who knows, there might even be 8xxx series cards available before the end of the 9400/1705's lifecycle...
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6. I stated that this isn't the place to be talking about how we're "scamming" dell or how this is a "loophole" so if you must talk about that, please go make your own thread. I didn't mean for this to end up being a huge debate. I just knew that some people were having temperature problems with their 7800 and I wanted to help.<!-- / message -->
actually, no you didnt state that, you did state not to post here if we want to start calling you scammers or what not. I didnt. But the way you posted, telling people how to do it, is questionable and could easily be used to scam by others. if you re-read my post, I never called anyone a cheapskate nor a scam artist. I was trying to defer people from using this as a scam. and i made my opinion clear that I think Dell is wrong in their line of thinking. but from a corporate point of view its smart, dont allow upgrades, as leading to the only option of purchasing a new system, which is entirely more profitable. If you have a legitimate problem, its good to know the hoops you have to jump through to get to where you want. But telling people what to say opens things up for unscrupulous people to take advantage. Yea, I paid alot of money for my system too, I feel quite like alot of you do as well, I just dont think ripping off Dell is a good idea either. And these being public forums, I feel it is my right to post my opinion in a repectful manner. I am glad you guys were able to resolve your issues. The requests were constructive, respectful and to the point as well and a good example on how to make a request to fix a problem. Dont go whining, bitching or demanding because Dell will be like, who the @!$#@ are you and you would never hear from them again. If you do have a problem, describe it in your own words specific to your situation. like falerus stated, Dont copy and paste Cheers
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by CrysDark
Wasn't the 7800gtx loophole closed because the deal was posted on fatwallet and people were ordering 20 units and selling them ono ebay for 500 each?
I'm pretty sure that the people who sold them on ebay got them through the sales reps.
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
Alright zolutar, thats cool.

Does somebody want to tell me how this is like the 7800gtx loophole? From reading what crysdark said, is it just people bought 7800gtx for cheap from sales rep, then sold them on ebay? Because if that is the loophole you're referring to, then this is nothing like it.
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by mZimm
They sure did shut down the whole 7800GTX upgrade thing, I'm sure they can shut this down too.

Not really. It's just 350$ now, that's all. They tried to solve my Dual Core laptop issue with trying to give me a 7800GTX. I asked them if they've even seen inside the systems they represent.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by JaxChris
Not really. It's just 350$ now, that's all. They tried to solve my Dual Core laptop issue with trying to give me a 7800GTX. I asked them if they've even seen inside the systems they represent.
lol, case and point with the problems with Dell tech support. A bunch of people whom read from a script who done even know the product they are helping a consumer troubleshoot. Extremely frustrating by us knowledgable users who have to be painstakenly walked through the steps. I am the type of guy that I will troubleshoot and fix it if possible, But i know when I am out of my league. When I call tech support, 99% of the time they cant fix it either, I even often wonder why I even bother. But to get a resolution, you got to go through the steps.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by JaxChris
Not really. It's just 350$ now, that's all. They tried to solve my Dual Core laptop issue with trying to give me a 7800GTX. I asked them if they've even seen inside the systems they represent.
Well, for a while they were $250, and then before the M1710 came out they were ~$500 again, if you could get quoted a price. Now that the 7800GTX isn't the top tech anymore, there's no way they could sell them for that much.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by zolutar
If Dell was smart, and yes they are in bad ways at times, they would simply allow graphics card to be sold as upgrades. Let us buy a 7900gtx even and let us hack up our lappys to personalize them to our needs. There are many opportunities. Unfortunatly, Dell's smart opinion was to, nah, lock the parts down, dont let em do it, if they want to upgrade they have to buy a whole new overpriced system. or jack the 7900 gtx to $1000 to hinder us from doing it on our own.
I dont like the idea of people trying to Scam Dell either, because in the end, who loses? We the consumer do as Dell increases their retail to recoup the losses cause by this type of thing.
Yes the 7800 had its con's, bite the bullit and pay the $325 to upgrade the card on your own. Resell the 7800's to ati owners who desire to upgrade from that. But for most people, the 7800's are just fine. if you overclock it, yea you will have problems with heat. If you wanted a performance system, should have bought an XPS.
Finally, dont be a fool and not think there are people over at Dell who monitor these forums, there are. So expect this loophole to be monitored and limted or even closed very quickly and hurting users who do have a legitimate problem. Don't do it just because you want a free upgrade and you dont have problems.
Dell was very aware of the problems when the 7800 was halted and the ATI offered in its place with sales reps telling people it's the same performance which was a bold faced lie. I even escalated my complaints and all I got out of it was a refund of the price of the ATI card and had to purchase a 7800 on my own (7900 wasnt available yet). That to me was fair enough.

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