Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ignorance mean that someone hasnt been exposed to it enough to really know? English isn't my first language, so if I misused the word, I'm terribly sorry.
Also, I do NOT think apple is the end-all-be-all. I'm just trying to give some pro-apple opinion. I like their OS. I like the looks of their computers. I'm at a sager forum because I'm considering, strongly, getting a 8887. It's either the new 17" powerbook or the 8887.
Anyways, I just don't understand what makes windows a good OS, under-the-hood, if you will. Linux is a fine OS, and is what I would run when and if I chose the 8887-x, but with windows you have a web browser/file manager hard-coded into the kernel. That isn't, by any means, a good idea. I like the linux approach better than the OSX approach(a modular kernel) though. I like being able to compile what I wish into the kernel and load what modules I choose to load. I simply feel like windows doesnt give enough to the user. Perhaps I'm just too pro-unix.
In all honesty, the only reason I stand by the mac so much, is becuase they are taking unix, and turning it into something easy-to-use for everyone. If you need a lot of power, by all means, get a Sager, and run Linux on it. With Hyperthreading working, I'm now a big fan. However, the mac also has its benefits in the ease-of-use unix department.
By the way, yale, I had no idea that you were so experienced in the Mac world. What is it that turns you off so much about the macs, and on to windows, if I may ask? Would you feel differently if the macs were faster than the PC's, or is it honestly a software issue?
Anyways, I'm always one to stir up a little bit of controversy... It's just my personality. I will admit, gladly, that the sager has the mac beat 6-ways from sunday in the performance department.
I've basically got $2800 to spend, and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it. 8887 sounds very promising, though I don't like the idea of the audio interference and ghosting (these type of things never seem to happen on a mac).
Anyways, as for my experience, I grew up with UNIX. In Thailand, I played around with servers running UNIX. My dad was a computer-geek and a monk at the same time. When I moved to Japan, at age 13 or so, I got a lot of exposure to other operating systems. It was around '95, when windows 95 was storming everywhere. I played with it, and thought it was OK, and I thought the same OK of the mac. I didn't see why they needed the GUI so much.
Obviously, things evolved. When I was 18 I moved to the USA for college (UCLA.) I have seem OSX, and I have seen Linux. I have seen windows as well. Although, without a doubt windows has a lot of applications, it isn't a very fun OS to use. You seem to have to create fun for windows. You seem to have to play games, or something of that sort to have fun with it. In all honesty, for me, using Mac OS X is just more fun.
With that being said, I have not seen the new Windows 2003, which excites me, as it's finally a secure windows OS. Perhaps that will be good. Perhaps not.
I want to apologize once last time, to Yale. I didn't think ignorance was an insult there... Please take no offense. None was intended.
The reason I responded pro-mac is because this forum has a plethora of PC users. The reason people are here is because they have PCs or because they want to get PCs. The fact of the matter is, anyone that has had experience with both, and ends up here, tends to be PC-biased. That's just a bit of an observation. I've seen mac users that post that they have macs and say things like "flame away." That's not right. A lot of PC users don't understand the mac. Perhaps yale does.
Ah well. i'm sorry again for any offense. In my culture, offensive behavior is looked down upon, and I meant to have simply a friendly debate. I hope you accept what I'm saying.