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Am I nuts to go from a E1705 to dv8000t?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
For my saga, read here. Bottom line is, I'm very happy with the E1705 performance but my screen looks like crap. Know its a trade-down in GPU, but from what I've read on your various reviews and inquiries it seems like I'll have plenty of power for gaming.

My only point of concern is seeing the dv8000t in Compusa over the weekend; it sure was perty but I noticed a bit of shading in the lower left and right sides of the screen. Guess its where the dual lamps miss.

The big questions is whether or not someone has received a less than stellar dv8000t ultrabrightview screen?
post #2 of 27
Dell's notebooks are just plain ugly! I made the mistake of buying a 6000 last December and I'm replacing it with either a DV5000 or DV8000 model. I don't think you will regret your decision.

Last month I bought a DV8000(Z) from HP.com but I had to send the machine back because the Wi-Fi card refused to connect to anything. Once I received my credit back on my card, I decided to order a DV5000(Z) because well, the 17" model was just to darn big for me (it kinda looked tacky in a way.) I received that the other day and the build quality of the machine was horrible! The top of the LCD lid was all scratched up, the left front rubber foot on the bottom of the machine would not sit on a desk (everytime you put your palm on the left side of the machine the notebook would 'hit the table', etc. So I sent that one back too!

Not sure what is going on with CTO notebooks from HP but I'm giving them one last try once my credit hits from my second return. If the 3rd system comes in poor condition I'm scratching HP for good!

The more and more I think about it, I actually might give the DV8000(Z) another shot but I'm going to go into a retail store and look at it one more time in person, before deciding on which model to get.

But the machine in general (either model) is a nice looking machine opened up, the black really kicks ass!
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by delphigreg
For my saga, read here. Bottom line is, I'm very happy with the E1705 performance but my screen looks like crap. Know its a trade-down in GPU, but from what I've read on your various reviews and inquiries it seems like I'll have plenty of power for gaming. My only point of concern is seeing the dv8000t in Compusa over the weekend; it sure was perty but I noticed a bit of shading in the lower left and right sides of the screen. Guess its where the dual lamps miss. The big questions is whether or not someone has received a less than stellar dv8000t ultrabrightview screen?
I've been thinking of going to the 1705... (because of the GPU, getting jerked around by HP, and a few other little issues...) Have a dv8000t /w the 7400 GPU currently... My screen is pretty nice, not washed out looking, colors very rich looking. (I opted for the single lamped 17.0" WVA WSXGA BrightView (1680x1050) Has a slight amount of light leakage at the bottom... Have no real complaints on the screen.. Don't think most models at BestBuy , etc are the dual lamped units.... Most vendors stock the single lamped units because the dual lamps increased cost. BEST PLACE to BUY is COSTCO: Check out this link: http://www.costco.com/CTO/HPConfigur...&model=EX177AV Check out these links as well: http://www.notebookforums.com/thread159136.html http://www.notebookforums.com/thread157799.html http://www.notebookforums.com/thread155956.html Post #10 by a photographer that is quite senitive about visual differences is interesting.
post #4 of 27
delphigreg,

While reading thru that thread you mentioned not wanting to swap out the unit, or something to the effect you wanted to have the old hd to swap for the new.

I'd look into an external hard drive enclosure. Comes in very handy for imaging your hd, your data.

The best is the Apricron EZ-BUS-DT. (usb only) EZ-BUS-DTC (Usb 2.0, Firewire 400)...

Right now you can pick up the DT for only like $24.99 + $9.23 shipping.... No rebate... That is a very good price:

http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=294942
post #5 of 27
delphigreg,

One more thing you may want to consider is it seems DELL has no problems sending a "part" or "parts" out as you've found out... and HP is going to make you send in the unit each time it needs anything.
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback and ideas. I already own an external HD enclosure.

Yes, I'm not thrilled with the idea of having to ship the unit to a depot for repair, but having the external HD means I can image the drive, do a stock install, ship it, then do a report without having to fear loosing my data. Acronis Trueimage makes this very easy.

I'm going to do a lot more looking around, but I'll bet I'll do the dv8000t from Costco (just got my membership tonight). The machine they had looked great, screen and build wise. While not as powerful as the 7900GS, I think the 7600 will do fine for me.

One thing I've noticed and read a little about is the shared ram, that there is no way to adjust the quantity used? I'll drop 2G into the machine (which I bought for the E1705), so its not an issue for the most part but for some of my work-work I can really use the 2G.
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
(Closes eyes)

Trigger pulled:

Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo processor T2500 (2.0 GHz)
512MB DDR2 SDRAM (2x256MB)
100 GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
FREE Upgrade to LightScribe Super Multi w/DL!!
256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network w/Bluetooth
17.0" WXGA+ Ultra BrightView Widescreen (1440x900)
Genuine Windows XP Professional
Microsoft(R) Works/Money
HP Mobile Remote Control
HP Sport Backpack
HP Pavilion additional 90W AC Adapter
8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
Genuine Windows XP Professional Backup CD
3-yr Extended Service Plan with HP Express Repair

~ $1800 from Costco, shipped.

Stay tuned for more adventures around 7/1....
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by delphigreg
(Closes eyes)

Trigger pulled:

Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo processor T2500 (2.0 GHz)
512MB DDR2 SDRAM (2x256MB)
100 GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
FREE Upgrade to LightScribe Super Multi w/DL!!
256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600
Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network w/Bluetooth
17.0" WXGA+ Ultra BrightView Widescreen (1440x900)
Genuine Windows XP Professional
Microsoft(R) Works/Money
HP Mobile Remote Control
HP Sport Backpack
HP Pavilion additional 90W AC Adapter
8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
Genuine Windows XP Professional Backup CD
3-yr Extended Service Plan with HP Express Repair

~ $1800 from Costco, shipped.

Stay tuned for more adventures around 7/1....

If case you've missed it in one of my other posts now would be the time to get an extra battery if needed.

$83 thru Costco... $180 thru HP if you want one later.

BTW: When you get the time do some benchmarking on it.... and if you find time shoot off an e-mail to HP asking them how the heck you're supposed to install a second hard drive, when the hd mounting bracket is not there. Sata Controler is there... but the retaining bracket is unless they've changed their polices not being shipped with the unit unless you order with the second drive installed. Either that or you buy the 2nd hd later from them.
(Example: 120g, 5,400 SATA drive going for $675... just to get that 2 cent bracket.

I think it's sort of crappy they advertise the unit as being able to take 2 hard drives, but forget to mention they don't provide the bracket for the 2nd hd so you can't mount the second drive...

Please do post some benchmarks... Your impressions of the machine....

Hey on the shared ram, the 128-bit 7600 has 256 and I'm pretty sure it's dedicated... the 7400 was a 64-bit card, 128, with another 128 as shared.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=55821
post #9 of 27
delphigreg,

I have one question about the Dell 1705, 7900GS 256 MB..

On the DVI output.... does it have HDCP embedded in the signal?... (Big ha-ha on that I'm sure)

HDCP is needed if you want to hook it up to a big screen tv, projector in most cases these days.DVI +HDCP =HDMI http://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp

What is HDCP?

HDCP stands for High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection, a copy protection scheme to eliminate the possibility of intercepting digital data midstream between the source to the display. The format designed by Intel and licensed by Digital Content Protection, LLC using an authentication and key exchange procedure before video and audio is presented.

Products compatible with the HDCP scheme such as DVD players, satellite and cable HDTV set-top-boxes, as well as few entertainment PCs requires a secure connection to a compliant display, the process often described as the handshake. Due to the increase in manufacturers employing HDCP in their equipment, it is highly recommended that any HDTV (and output device!) you purchase is compatible.

Translation to the above is without the "handshake" (The HDCP signal) there is no "authentication and key exchange procedure before video and audio is presented."

HP

If you're "listening"... on the next dv8000t... put a 7900 or better GPU in it.. with DVI output.. with HDCP... so you can hook up the laptop to a big screen TV, projector for presentations.

Think of all the exposure... increased sales you'd get!!!

Hey, what kind of laptop is that?... Why it's an HP...

WOW, Amazing picture on that big screen, projector, plasma it has!!!!..... The 30 people at that (1) presentation said after the meeting...... I'm going to get one of those!!!!!
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
Would be sweet if the 7600 RAM is dedicated.

Not sure I would even know how to check the DVI signal output... and its already in its box... Sorry! FWIW, I never installed anything that would lead me to believe there was anything special on it.
post #11 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by delphigreg
Would be sweet if the 7600 RAM is dedicated.

Not sure I would even know how to check the DVI signal output... and its already in its box... Sorry! FWIW, I never installed anything that would lead me to believe there was anything special on it.

Straight from the HP site:

Leading-edge graphics
Experience a new level of detail in photos and graphics with NVIDIA's GeForce Go 7600 technology. With access to 256MB of dedicated video memory, the dv8000t provides sharper 3-D video action and brings graphics-intensive applications to life.

and here, via a pop up when clicking the Help me decide when CTO'ing :

256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600

The NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7600 with 256MB discrete video memory delivers advanced 3D graphics and video features.



http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...reg_R1002_USEN
post #12 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by delphigreg
Would be sweet if the 7600 RAM is dedicated.

Not sure I would even know how to check the DVI signal output... and its already in its box... Sorry! FWIW, I never installed anything that would lead me to believe there was anything special on it.

On the DVI output, if you hook it up to a pretty recent big screen /plasma /projector and it's getting a picture, and sound it's outputing that lovely HDCP signal...

Without it you get a blank screen.

More than likely it doesn't have it...

* * * *

HP... here's your big chance....
post #13 of 27
Check this link out, it should answer your questions about HDCP.

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...showtopic=9986
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by jav1856
Check this link out, it should answer your questions about HDCP.

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/...showtopic=9986


Good find jav1856... (wish the fools when they do a press release /repost would put a date on those suckers)

Here's the orginal link, dated June 9, 2006 5:44 AM: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2760

Sounds like HP has NO excuse NOT to:

A: Add a DVI output port
B: Add in the necessary HDCP transmitter


PureVideo HD is an HDCP-aware version of its current technology. NVIDIA says that while the technology will be available in its GeForce 7000 series of GPUs, not all cards and products will support it, as not all boards will include the necessary HDCP transmitter. The following products are on NVIDIA's list of PureVideo HD compliant products:
GeForce 7600 GT
GeForce Go 7600
GeForce Go 7600 GT

Several laptops are also including the above GPUs as well as support for full HDCP output. Sony's VAIO AR notebook series and RC desktop series will be the first to let users experience PureVideo HD. Toshiba is also releasing its Qosmio G35-AV650 laptop with integrated HDCP-enabled GeForce Go 7600.
NVIDIA says its PureVideo HD allows a computer to accelerate HD video (such as H.264, VC-1 and MPEG-2) with low CPU utilization and power consumption.

Currently it is unknown whether or not if PureVideo HD will be available to other NVIDIA graphics cards that do not use the above listed GPUs, but do come equipped with an HDCP-enabled DVI transmitter.

* * * * *

Everyone say together now...

WE WANT DVI, with HDCP !

WE want to HOOK up to our BIG Screen TV's
post #15 of 27
Note to the above.

Personally I hate the HDCP signal having to be there.... I'd prefer just a straight CLEAN digital output.....

Thing is Hollywood has forced HDCP to be required... Without it the displaying device (Big Screen TV, Plasma, Projector) doesn't get the "handshake" it needs and you get a blank screen.

These days it's just plain stupid to not have a DVI /HDMI compliant output (with HDCP)

S-Video while better than nothing looks like CRAP on a big screen, plasma, or projector....


GET ON THE STICK HP....
post #16 of 27
You have to realize that for every feature that Hp adds to the dv8000 the price is going to go up. Yes two other computers that have the 7600 have the dvi out feature, with the HDCP protocol. But the Toshiba is $3k and the Sony is $3.5k. You can’t expect the dv8000t to have all the exact features of computers that cost twice as much. I could see Hp releasing a dv9000, or whatever they would call an upgraded dv8000, that runs in the $2.5k price bracket that would have features that competed with the high Toshiba Qosmio and Sony AR. But I just don’t think u are going to see the dv8000 get redesigned to incorporate every new bell and whistle as soon as someone else does it.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by jav1856
You have to realize that for every feature that Hp adds to the dv8000 the price is going to go up. Yes two other computers that have the 7600 have the dvi out feature, with the HDCP protocol. But the Toshiba is $3k and the Sony is $3.5k. You can’t expect the dv8000t to have all the exact features of computers that cost twice as much. I could see Hp releasing a dv9000, or whatever they would call an upgraded dv8000, that runs in the $2.5k price bracket that would have features that competed with the high Toshiba Qosmio and Sony AR. But I just don’t think u are going to see the dv8000 get redesigned to incorporate every new bell and whistle as soon as someone else does it.
Understand and agree with you.. Can't have everything... I know each feature adds to the cost... But it appears the GeForce Go 7600 already can do it.... Hurdle just being the addtion of a DVI port , and the addtion of the HDCP-enabled DVI transmitter. dv9000 ?... I was thinking along those same lines. On the cost aspect.... I don't think it costs twice as much to make a unit with this feature than a unit without it. (Don't think there is a $2,000 differance either in say a low end 1705 and the high end 1705 we talked about earlier.) HP would be smart to gear up for it as it would make the units much more "useable". I think they would sell a BUNCH of them.
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post #19 of 27
nosugarplease: Yes some people out there are having problems with the keyboards on the dv8000 and this really concerns me. My CTO dv8000t will be arriving some time this week and I’ll post a review. I’m going to make sure I really put the keyboard through the ringer to see how it holds up and if I have any problems I’ll post them and most likely return it.

I could point you to all the threads of e1705 owners who have had problems with the displays on their notebooks, but it doesn’t matter because I didn’t get one and I’m sure that not every e1705 has a bad display, just as I am sure that not every dv8000 has a bad keyboard.

I’m not saying the dv8000 is the best notebook or better than any other notebook. I seriously considered buying an e1705 after dell unexpectedly told me they would repair my defective inspiron 5150, which was 6 months out of warranty, for free! However after seeing an e1705 at a Dell Direct store, I decided to give the Hp a chance. If the Hp disappoints I’ll probably try a Sony AR or the Dell e1705.

I’m not on this board to give preference to one brand over another, or to tout that whatever notebook I have is the best because I own it, and anything else just sucks. I just try to offer my own opinion based on personal experience and my own impressions.

Just think of the limited variety and diminished quality of notebooks that would be available if everyone just bought Dells, or just bought Hps. When a company holds nearly a 100% market share it’s the customers that suffer, both in price and quality; for a real world example of this look at Microsoft and their operating system and office suite. I think it’s a little crazy that a full copy of Windows XP Pro costs $300, especially since it’s been out as long as it has, and that Office Pro costs $500.
post #20 of 27
WeAreNotAlone:

You are 100% right that it wouldn’t cost twice as much to make a laptop with DVI out. Also, I’m not sure if all the 7600s have the HDCP protocol. From that press release I can’t tell if all 7600s have the PureVideo HD technology or if it’s only on special PureVideo HD enabled 7600 series cards. Especially since the press release was issued on June 9, while the 7600 has been around longer than that.

Keep in mind that a vast number of households don’t own a TV with a DVI input. Only DLP, plasma, LCD, HD-ILA, and newer high end tube televisions have DVI input. And I would even venture to say that most owners of DVI input televisions aren’t even using it.

DVI is really only valuable for HD content, and completely useless for 720p content, that’s just my opinion. So right now its value is somewhat limited unless you have HD cable or satellite or an HD video camera. But I could be wrong since I’m not 100% sure what HD content is available.

However I do own the Sony Vaio Digital Living System, model VGX-XL2 and think it is amazing. It’s supposed to provide HD audio and video through HDMI but only has the 6600GT. It seems to work though since I have downloaded some HD movies and they look great, much better than conventional DVDs. But you know what, even though the digital living system is essentially a moderately powerful desktop pc, in a fancy box, with a 200 disc cd/dvd changer and a really slick wireless keyboard with a built in touch pad, I hardly ever use any of the pc functions of it, aside from occasional web browsing. Maybe if I was really into gaming I would be singing a different tune. I tried playing civilization 4 on it and I just didn’t find it that fun. I couldn’t find a good was to see the screen unless I was sitting like 3 feet away, same thing for the sims 2 and Rome total war. The one game I really like on it is Flight Simulator. But those are about all the games I have tried so battlefield 2 or some of the other games that I keep reading about on this forum might be amazing. But I still highly recommend the Digital Living System. So depending on what you were planning on doing with it if you could hook it up to a television via DVI, don’t be heart broken you can’t. I think this set up would be ideal for hooking a dv8000 up to a television for gamming and pc use:

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread154447.html

I think you’ll see a dv9000 or whatever they will call it within 9-12 months. And it will definitely have DVI out with the HDCP protocol, but it will also have either a BlueRay drive or a HD-DVD drive with it. And Hp will do this in order to compete with Sony and Toshiba. I just don’t see the DVI coming to the dv8000, maybe toward the end of its product cycle or in the next generation iteration, as HDCP supported DVI becomes more common. It’s really a mid level notebook, and isn’t geared toward power users, though based on its specs it looks very strong. But Hp will sell the majority of these units preconfigured through retail outlets, and for the price they won’t deck it out with all the best bells and whistles regardless of any additional cost.

Unrelated, have you checked out the customizable Sony Vaio AR series? For about $2300 you can get a nicely equipped one with a 7600GT. If I have problems or am not satisfied with the dv8000 I’m going to give it a try.
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