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Toshiba's M1710 competitor

post #1 of 60
6/22/06 at 10:54pm
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Earlier this year, Toshiba released its Satellite P100 series gaming laptop, which was the first laptop to feature the 7900 GS. They have now refreshed their line with the 7900GTX (512 version) and have priced it competitively with Dell's M1710.

C-Net Article:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7...?tag=cnetfd.sd

Toshiba Link:

http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/...HO&coid=-30605


At $1,999 and comparative specs (except for the hard drive and screen resolution), the laptop looks like it might grab some of Dell/Alienware's notebook gaming share.
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post #2 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:02pm
its a real shame the max resolution on it is WSXGA+ though.
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post #3 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by exabytehd
its a real shame the max resolution on it is WSXGA+ though.


No it's not, it's an advantage. 1680x1050 is perfect for laptop gaming. I'd take the Toshiba over the M1710 in a heart beat. No bullshit light leakage and a WSXGA+ screen..mmm I might sell my E1705 and check this thing out.
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post #4 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:14pm
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Yeah, I noticed the screen resolution after I posted the links. I, personally, don't care about 1080P resolution (1920X1200). Whenever I had my original 9300, the WXGA resolution was good for me (and it ran High-Def content). My eyes actually began to hurt when I got my XPS Gen 2 and its higher resolution.

If I didn't already have a 7900GTX in my E1705, I'd probably jump on this too (the cost of the GTX plus the E1705 comes to a little less than the Toshiba).

Next year (since the tech in these things gets outdated fast), if I don't finally go to the darkside of desktops and just by a 15", I'll probably look at Toshiba's wares.
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post #5 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:17pm
Wow, even that site reminds of Dell. Are you sure those screens won't have light leakage issues? At those prices, they're cutting down somewhere.

Dell is still ahead of the game, but for how long? When a company like Toshiba starts offering the GTX, something is happening. I've had a positive experience with Dell (I was very concerning about quality when I first bought the 9300). Competition is always a positive. Maybe Dell will offer consistently better screens now.
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post #6 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:23pm
Wait until you see Toshiba's screen quality, you will be pissed everyday by looking at Dell's lappy.


I think Toshiba is finally get their foot into gaming lappy, not just at multi-media PC lappy. I think this one will brow lots Dell M1710 customer...

I don't know about other, but myself will be getting this one other than Dell.
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post #7 of 60
6/22/06 at 11:41pm
Does this mean it's going to be easier to get 7900GTX for our E1705s?
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post #8 of 60
6/23/06 at 3:17am
I've never questioned Toshiba's quality in their laptops. They just never had any good graphics cards for gaming. That package is very competitive in price and features. If I was in the market, I'd probably pick one up and be happy with it. Resolution isn't much of an issue for me. I typically am gaming at my desk and using my 19" LCD monitor.

Hopefully this will give Dell some competition and pricing will drop down to compete with it.
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post #9 of 60
6/23/06 at 4:27am
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^^^Hopefully. Dell had the monopoly on the Go 7900 GTX for a minute (even though now you can get the 256 Mb version in Clevos).

And Achilles, I don't see Dell changing its practices on the sale of the 7900 GTX (and even if it did, it's still an expensive part).
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post #10 of 60
6/23/06 at 5:38am
Well i still prefer dell's laptops b'coz of their CPU and GPU upgradeability.
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post #11 of 60
6/23/06 at 8:18am
Are the cpus soldered in on the toshibas then？That would　be a bummer.
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post #12 of 60
6/23/06 at 8:19am
Who knows, the toshiba laptop may have removeable graphics modules like many other high performance laptops. I suspect it is upgradeable, just its a question of how easy it is to get parts. Many companies make it difficult/impossible to buy parts so it will be interesting to see how toshiba reacts to computer modders/enthusaists.
As for the cpu, what makes you sure its not removable? Most laptops with pentium m line cpu's have removable chips (excluding the macbook).
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post #13 of 60
6/23/06 at 9:10am
Hmmm.... Full Keyboard too, that laptop looks nice, I'm going to wait for a best buy or some store to get one in stock so I can check it out first hand.
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post #14 of 60
6/23/06 at 11:04am
If it's even better than the 1710, that's great news for consumers. Personally, even though it will potentially bottleneck future games at native resolution, I wouldn't give up my Truelife 1920x1200 display for anything. It's just flat out gorgeous.

The only real plus I see with the Toshiba, from my perspective, is the full sized keyboard. Really, that's the only downside to my 1710, but it's not really that big of an issue.

Great news for consumers, and if Dell has some competition it's going do drive the prices down a bit. Everyone wins

Edit: Dell's support/warranty was a huge determining factor in deciding to go with Dell in the first place. I have 2 very positive experiences so far (advance replacement without batting an eye) and this could change - but it's nice having peace of mind knowing I could drop my laptop from a train 3 years down the road and get a potentially better replacement.
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post #15 of 60
6/23/06 at 11:10am
toshiba doesnt have the lights. deal breaker for me.

seriously though the $1999 comparison is flawed. at that price u get a lowly 1440x900 screen. useless if u r getting the lappy for gaming. the P100-ST9612, the most decked out one can be compared to the m170. id also like to see reviews from users about heat related issues etc.
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post #16 of 60
6/23/06 at 11:20am
How's their warranty support? Most are even worst than Dell, that's my worries if I go for Toshiba.
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post #17 of 60
6/23/06 at 11:29am
And with Dell XPS, don't you get to call that special number for support in Tennessee (or somewhere in the US)? Or have they dropped that exclusive luxury?
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post #18 of 60
6/23/06 at 1:23pm
Peronally I don't care for the numeric keypad on laptops. If I need one I connect my USB mouse/keyboard. I have had one of their laptops with a numeric keypad & the "shifted" touchpad... The touchpad drove me nuts. & the keys were smaller...

The light leakage on their monitor was better than the dell, but I prefer the 1920x1200 resolution for regular apps. changing to 1680x1050 for games if I need to when on my laptop isn't an issue & I don't see any real difference in the image quality.

The final straw for me is the Toshiba Apps that are REQUIRED to make the "FN" key functional to change things like screen brightness...etc... The BIOS setup is another thing..Hardly any relevant information or options or available. It's the basic Pheonix BIOS..And I mean basic.


If I did not need gaming & did something lke accounting I might consider the Toshiba.
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post #19 of 60
6/23/06 at 2:30pm
I'm sick of the universal size Dell Keyboards though I find them to be too small for my hands. IT's quite cramp when I use both of my hands to type.
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post #20 of 60
6/23/06 at 2:41pm
...The Toshiba keyss are smaller than the Dell keys


They are not worse than Dell, I would probably put them on par with Dell. Everyone went to outsourcing for customer service....Now they are slowly bringing support back to the US because of a sharp rise in consumer complaints while dealing with overseas reps.

Nothing agaist people from India, but I have been there & worked with them. Most of them have their occupations picked by their parents & they do not believe in thinking outside of the box. They have the script that Dell provides them & they use it exclusively. Ask them a question not addressed within that script & you will most likely end up without an answer.
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